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The Truth About Bill C-10, Part I: Children Won't Be Jailed as Adults

Posted: 02/21/2012 4:55 pm

Since the start of the study of Bill C-10, one aspect in particular has struck me -- the fact that many people have expressed opposition to the proposed legislation without really understanding what it is about. More often than not, C-10 has been criticized on the basis of erroneous information. Although the provisions of Bill C-10 pertaining to the Youth Criminal Justice Act have drawn the most attention, the proposed legislation actually has an impact on numerous aspects of the Criminal Code.

Bill C-10 proposes measures to:

  • better protect children and youth from sexual predators;

  • increase penalties for drug activity related to organized crime;

  • end house arrest for serious crimes;

  • eliminate pardon for serious crimes;

  • introduce additional key criteria to be considered when deciding whether Canadian offenders should be transferred back to Canada;

  • increase offender accountability and provide assistance to victims of crime;

  • support victims of terrorism;

  • protect vulnerable foreign nationals against abuse and exploitation; and

  • protect society from violent young offenders.

Since the provisions pertaining to young offenders seem to be arousing the greatest opposition, I'll attempt to set the record straight.

Detention
The most vocal criticism of Bill C-10 has been that the proposed legislation will incarcerate minors with hardened criminals. For those intent on demonizing Bill C-10, that is clearly the argument with the greatest impact. Nothing could be further from the truth. First, let's make it clear that no adolescent under 18 years can be held in a detention centre for adults. In fact, section 186 of Bill C-10 clearly states that "no young person who is under the age of 18 years is to serve any portion of the imprisonment in a provincial correctional facility for adults or a penitentiary."

What the bill proposes is that, in certain cases involving a young person who has committed a serious offence such as first-degree murder, attempt to commit murder, or aggravated sexual assault, an accused person who is under the age of 18 years but older than 16 years (in Quebec) could be tried in an adult court if the trial judge finds that the accused meets the criteria for such treatment.

While it is true that a young offender who has committed a very serious offence would be handed a longer sentence than that which the Youth Court is currently authorized to impose; however, under no circumstances would a young offender end up in a detention centre for adults. In passing, we're talking about three per cent of the court cases involving minors.

Rehabilitation vs. coercion vs. prevention

Another criticism heard in Quebec is that the province is placing greater emphasis on prevention and rehabilitation than on coercion. This is what section 168 of Bill C-10 says in this regard:

168. (1) Paragraph 3(1) (a) of the Act is replaced by the following:

(a) the youth criminal justice system is intended to protect the public by
(i) holding young persons accountable through measures that are proportionate
to the seriousness of the offence and the degree of responsibility of the young
person;
(ii) promoting the rehabilitation and reintegration of young persons who have
committed offences; and,
(iii) supporting the prevention of crime by referring young persons to programs or
agencies in the community to address the circumstances underlying their offending
behaviour.

There are three key elements: holding young people accountable for their actions, promoting rehabilitation, and supporting the prevention of crime. I personally have no problem with these three concepts. In fact, that's how I raise my own children. When my son does something wrong, he must face the consequences of his actions. We take steps to correct the inappropriate behaviour and foster an environment that will prevent the recurrence of that behaviour.

Lifting the ban on disclosure of identity

The other main criticism I've heard concerning the part of Bill C-10 that deals with the youth criminal justice system is that judges will henceforth be allowed to lift the publication ban on the identity of convicted minors. Here again, a correction is in order. Section 75 of the existing Youth Criminal Justice Act already stipulates that a judge may, if he or she considers it appropriate in the circumstances (e.g., if public safety is a consideration), allow information regarding the young person found guilty of having committed an offence to be disclosed. What Bill C-10 adds in this regard is simply to identify the parameters of the judge's authority and shift the burden of proof to the Crown to convince the judge that lifting the ban would be appropriate and justified (section 185 of Bill C-10).

That's it for this first part. Next time, I'll talk about other provisions of Bill C-10, including minimum sentences.


 
Since the start of the study of Bill C-10, one aspect in particular has struck me -- the fact that many people have expressed opposition to the proposed legislation without really understanding what i...
Since the start of the study of Bill C-10, one aspect in particular has struck me -- the fact that many people have expressed opposition to the proposed legislation without really understanding what i...
 
 
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01:37 AM on 02/24/2012
The truth is the onlt people who want this are the far far far right theo cons. It will beggar us and increase crime. The money should be spent on education and help for kids who need it - after school programmes and Saturday programmes. Unfortunately the Harper government doesn't care about facts. He has steamrolled over Canadian values and beggared the country.
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canobserv
09:09 AM on 02/23/2012
So.....are WE the government's "children"...who need punishing????......
02:46 PM on 02/22/2012
WOW he must be really tired from shoveling all that crap all day long. Someone please tell me how someone can get to be a "leader" in the senate when they don't know that prohibition does NOT work!! Were you hiding under a rock somewhere during history class when we learned about alcohol prohibition, and then got a front row seat to what a train wreck that stellar policy was! Does the St. Valentines day massacre ring any bells? Well guess what Mr Senator our nation is now experiencing many massacres in to many cities. When is this government going to realize the majority of Canadians do not want this bill, oh sorry this government doesn't really believe in the true meaning of majority.
01:51 PM on 02/22/2012
"The most vocal criticism of Bill C-10 has been that the proposed legislation will incarcerate minors with hardened criminals."

Really?
I've read about 400 reasoned arguments against this bill and not one has mentioned your point.
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Kristopher Leang
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12:43 AM on 02/23/2012
i have been watching the debate on Cpac for days now on the multiple parts, from whether it will acutally allow people to properly sue (apparently we already have this ability in provincial courts and this would not help improve an already effective system. not my words this is the experts)

as for the talk on incarcerated minors. not a single one made this claim either. through at least4 hours of cpac watching.. come on this is hardly journalism its lie??
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katybird241
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10:26 AM on 02/23/2012
First I've heard of it, as well. Most of what I've read has centred around the minimum sentencing issue. Guess I'll just have to wait to see what Carignan says about that.
12:20 PM on 02/22/2012
Facts are really important in evaluating political decisions about the young offender act, but not in decisions about shovelling money into building unnecessay new prisons. Got it.
09:43 AM on 02/22/2012
That is not one of the main criticisms of C-10.

The criticisms are that it is ineffective, wasteful, and will make hardened criminals out of people arrested for small infractions. It is based on a philosophy that has failed everywhere it has been tried, will waste billions upon billions of dollars, and it out of touch with reality when the crime rate is dropping.

If Claude isn't going to address any of the substantial criticisms of the bill, he really doesn't deserve to have a soapbox to speak on.
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canobserv
07:25 AM on 02/22/2012
and in the end WE will have to pay for it....financially...spiritualy....and as a society....... in the end we won't be ANY SAFER......as a matter of fact we will be creating MORE criminals....WHY are Conservatives obsessed with "punishment"??
02:21 AM on 02/22/2012
If this is indeed the first in a series of articles on Bill C-10, I cannot wait to see how he claims coming down harder on Marijuana is a good idea. I assume he will probably simply never comment the fact that when Texas implemented a similar system their crime rates and costs both went up. Also, if that one paragraph is the only mention of rehabilitation and prevention of crime in the bill, I am all the more opposed. Any new crime legislation should have a primary focus of prevention and rehabilitation. If they really want to further reduce crime, they need to alleviate poverty and make it easier for people to get higher education or job training.
11:00 PM on 02/24/2012
Ah, if only the government would address poverty we would solve the crime problem! So.... being poor makes you partake in criminal activity - that's rather insulting to the vast majority of poor people who aren't criminals, no?
04:41 AM on 02/25/2012
No, it is not that a high percentage of poor people are criminals, it's that a reasonably high percentage of criminals are poor. And honestly, I don't believe many poor people will be complaining if the government helps lift them out of poverty with part of the intention being the reduction of crime. By reducing poverty you will have higher quality of life for these people while simultaneously reducing crime; it's a win-win situation.
01:14 AM on 02/22/2012
The Senator has no authority on this subject so having him write this piece is completely inappropriate.

His legal career was spent in civil and corporate law. He hasn't any criminal experience - zero! Assuming that because he is a lawyer, he is a natural expert/authority on criminal law - and the realities of Canada's criminal justice system - is as wrong as assuming that an automotive engineer would be a natural authority on aerospace engineering. Think about it: would you want the person who designed the exhaust system in your car to design the jet engine on the plane you'll take on your next vacation...or the bridge you drive over to get to work every day?

The Senator's opinions are therefore unworthy of consideration on such an important subject and should be ignored by all readers. I urge the HuffPost to hire a justice minister or crown prosecutor or defense lawyer or criminal court judge to write a piece on this subject so at the very least, it gives Canadians the benefit of some expertise. Anything less is shortchanging your readership.
12:05 AM on 02/22/2012
With crime statistics showing criminal activity is decreasing, why are we fixing something that isnt broken?

Wanna bet the government ideologues arent even listening to the people who actually work in the prison system?
08:18 PM on 02/21/2012
'''''In fact, that's how I raise my own children. When my son does something wrong, he must face the consequences of his actions'''''

SENATOR IT IS EASY TO SEE YOU ARE A CONSERVATIVE ---ALWAYS LOOKING TO PUNISH SOMEONE FOR SOMETHING ----

i would recommend you read an old book entitled THE TEN MINUTE MANAGER -----it focuses on rewards for good things and ignores the beat em up junk ---
seriously ----read it-------- it will make you a better person and better parent
nobody wants a fault finder standing over their shoulder-----the book is about 1/2 inch thick you can read it in an hour and it will stay with you forever
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06:58 PM on 02/21/2012
Does anyone else suspect the gov't is hearing complaints about this...don't see any other reason to defend it now that it was rammed thru parliament.

Keep up the good work Canadians!
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Bec DeCorbeau
Le langage de l'invisible est le silence
06:27 PM on 02/21/2012
Let me guest. At 18 he is transferred to an adult prison for the next 4 years out of his 5 years sentence. But to a reformist brain, it translate to: “C-30 won’t incarcerate minors with hardened criminals”.
08:32 PM on 02/21/2012
Yeah. It's typical tory pettifogging doubletalk. They are kept with the juvies until they turn 18, when their education as hardened adult criminals begins.
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Ned Leavitt
05:45 PM on 02/21/2012
If a 17 year old offender is sentenced to 5 years, where is he being held at 21 years old?
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