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What to do When He STILL Won't Propose

Posted: 06/28/2012 8:28 am

Dear Colette,


Boy am I glad I stumbled upon you. Most especially the article on 'What to do when he won't pop the question'. I am with the love of my life, just at our two year anniversary, and have been so freaked out lately that a) I'm going to blow it by freaking out on him (again) because he hasn't proposed, or b) That he isn't proposing because he doesn't love me enough to make me his forever.
We had a two month break then got back together in January and he told me he wants to marry me and have babies with me, because I told him I couldn't be in this if that wasn't where we were going (he's 40 I'm 37...eek) but it's now been five months and I'm feeling very insecure and sad.
Help!

Jennie



Dear Jennie,


Thanks so much for your question -- it's a remarkably common one that comes up often, and in myriad forms. Being that you have already read 'What to do when he won't pop the question' and you're still struggling with fear and insecurity about your guy asking you to marry him, all that's left for you to do now is: TRUST. Seems overly simple, I know. But not to worry because I've got an acronym for TRUST that I think you'll find endlessly helpful.

T -- Teachings


"We do not see things as they are. We see them as we are." -- The Talmud

Sadness and insecurity are excellent signposts (like street signs) that are perfect for reminding us that we've lost sight of the truth. Use the signposts of sadness and insecurity as a reminder that it's time to look at things as they really are, not as you believe or expect them to be.

Our beliefs and expectations are influenced by the amount of time we spend worrying about the future or feeling guilty about the past. One of my favorite teachings to see things as they really are, is by Eckhart Tolle, author of The Power of Now.

Tolle very simply reminds us that pain (in your case Jennie, the frustration you feel that your man won't propose) exists in the gap between where we are now and where we wish we were -- whether we wish we were in the future or the past. The truth is, the only real moment you ever have is now, so instead of wishing you were somewhere else, find gratitude and acceptance in this moment, now. Because if you do this in one moment, and then the next, and then the next, and the next... Well, then you're in a state of appreciation and gratitude for what IS, now. Always.

R -- Realization

One of the biggest frustrations in life is trying to control the things that are out of our control. You may already know that there is only one thing you have absolute control over in life -- and that one thing isn't even you! No, in reality, the only thing you have absolute control over in your life is your thoughts.

Whatever your preferred method (journaling, meditation, coaching), get clear on your thoughts. Because your thoughts affect your feelings, which affect your beliefs, which affect your actions (like freaking out on him again). So, be sure to get clear about what you're thinking, and change the thoughts that are causing you to feel insecure and sad.

U -- Understanding

You may have heard that no two people see the world in the exact same way -- it's not possible because we can never look at the exact same thing, at the exact same time, from the exact same position. Not to mention the fact that anything we do look at is filtered through the lenses of our diverse backgrounds, unique life experiences, and varied upbringings.

A great way to release the insecurity and sadness you're feeling about his holdout on a proposal is to gain a deeper understanding as to why it is so important for you to be married. Ask yourself:

1) Where did I first learn that loving me "enough" means marriage?
2) Whose voice is it?
3) Is it true?
4) Is it really true?
5) What's the worst thing that could happen if I don't get what I want?
6) How can I relax into the unknown?

S -- Support

There is this really fantastic saying that goes "what you focus on expands." If you find that you just can't seem to keep your thoughts from sinking into the low vibration of "what is he waiting for?!?" then the best thing for you to do is reach out for support. Because if you focus on him holding out on his proposal, you will only get more of him holding out. But, if you begin to focus on what you DO have and then if you appreciate what that IS, well then you'll at least get to enjoy your life in the process of him figuring things out.

Support comes in many ways. A good friend or caring family member are surely always there to help.

T -- Tranquility

This one's easy. With TRUST comes Tranquility. Once you've done all of the above you get to rest easy and go lightly. Do the work and you'll find that nothing -- no matter what it is -- will be able to rock your boat.

What's the benefit of all this work?!?

He'll likely feel a whole lot less pressure to please you and actually have chance to come from his heart and propose because he wants to -- not because he feels he has to.

The Result: You get what you want and he gets to feel like he made the choice.

Lots of love,

 

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12:34 PM on 07/08/2012
From a 48-year old gay man who hasn't dated women in 30 years...

Good advice but when you close with "The Result: You get what you want and he gets to feel like he made the choice" it ultimately seems like manipulation and that is unhealthy in any relationship.

My guess is that this guy is not going to marry Jennie. If he were in his early-20's and still not sure if he wanted to be married, that would be one thing. But Jennie's been dating him since he was in his mid-30's and most men by that time know (a) if they even want to be married, EVER, and (b) if they do, they know the qualities they are looking for in a wife. And smart people who know these things ONLY date people who are also looking to be married and have the qualities they are looking for. There's no sense in dating outside of those criteria.

This guy is either playing her or he's genuinely wishy-washy - either way, Jennie deserves better. And, Jennie, can I just ask this rather obvious question? Why don't you ask this guy to marry you instead of waiting around for him like a puppy? If he says yes, then start making wedding plans. If he says no, or if he's unsure, then kick him to the curb and go find the man you want and deserve.
09:51 AM on 07/04/2012
I couldn't disagree with your advice more, Colette. It seems to me that if she wants to get married, she has the right to want that. If he doesn't, he has that right. But she also has the right to leave and find what she does want. If he's not asking you to marry you, you're not the one. Or he's just not that into you. Plain and simple.
11:04 AM on 06/29/2012
Getting married is asking for a nightmare,why?It just sets both parties up for disaster.
Keep your money,be friends,be happy.99% of people I know that have gotten married end in a battle ,it's a waste of time and money,your Lawyer will say ,"get married,see you in court",oh I need my money first please!
03:54 AM on 06/29/2012
I have 3 friends who invested several years in their guys, all hoping that it would eventually lead to marriage.....all 3 pushed the marriage issue, and all 3 guys ended up marrying someone else within a year so it was not because the guys weren't ready.....they were just in a 'comfortable' situation. I myself met my husband when he was in a 3 year relationship....we were married within the year. True story! If he's not ready to commit within 2 years, get out, it's not going to end well....especially in your late 30's. I'm with Intellifran and Ian Llangan on this one!
11:07 AM on 06/29/2012
Interesting....So, you met a guy while he was in a 3 year relationship. You have no issue with the fact he was in a relationship when you met him so I imagine that you shouldn't be too surprised if he meets someone else while married to you?
07:32 PM on 06/28/2012
He is not going to propose. Deal with it. If after two years at your ages (and I assume some life experience) it is not going to happen. For whatever reason he does not see you as the "the one", so stop wasting your time and get your life back.
04:33 PM on 06/28/2012
If you want to have children, and you are 37, the only thing on your mind should be whether or not you will even be able to get pregnant to have those children. So your question should be: "is this partner the person I am prepared to be co-parents with or not?" Whether you stay together or split up; whether you ever marry or not, do you really believe that this person wants to be a parent. You have already waited too long to have the luxury of continuing to hold marriage as a prerequisite for family.
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03:41 PM on 06/28/2012
And she can't ask? Why?
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05:17 PM on 06/28/2012
My thoughts exactly. This is the 21st century - if a woman wants to get married to her man, why doesn't she propose? If he says no, and it's really that important to you, then it's clearly time to move on.
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06:49 AM on 06/29/2012
lol..I thought the same way. Aren't we equal? I guess not, only after marriage certificate and a baby she will feel "secure" and learn to ask, tell, yell, call names and never shut up.
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01:53 PM on 06/28/2012
Honestly, 2 years is not that long, BUT if he doesn't propose within the next year and a half he's not going to. All of this nonesense about TRUST, is the worst advice ever. Plenty of people "trust" their b/f will propose and they wait decades and then the marriage ends in a year. Don't waste your time. 37 is too old to play childish games.
01:30 PM on 06/28/2012
How about just live your life! If it is so painful, it is time to move on.
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12:23 PM on 06/28/2012
The only reason to get married these days is to have children together, and even then it's not necessary. Otherwise, just 'be' together. I guess there are some tax and insurance benefits to getting married, but I hope that can change in the future.
12:13 PM on 06/28/2012
Here's an idea: How about you propose to HIM? There is nothing stopping you from doing that.
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01:53 PM on 06/28/2012
Horrible idea. Marriage is a huge step and if he's not ready that's why he hasn't proposed.
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03:20 PM on 06/28/2012
Horrible, sexist, antediluvian, antiquated idea to make what should be a mutual decision into some weird "duty" that is solely the responsibility of alays the man in the equation. In fact all women should do the proposing. They are far more verbal anyway. Wannabe brides should give the man a yes or no question. It's far easier for a man to just say "yes" than to formulate all the talky stuff. If he says yes, fine. Done and done. If he says no, she can move on.
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05:19 PM on 06/28/2012
Pardon me, but this is the 21st century and marriage is supposed to be an equal partnership. If she's ready, and wants to, then why hasn't SHE proposed?
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02:50 PM on 06/28/2012
But but but but but.......
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12:13 PM on 06/28/2012
Jennie writes, "We had a two month break then got back together in January and he told me he wants to marry me and have babies with me, because I couldn't be in this if ..."

I recommend that they not get married. Marriage should be the public celebration of a no-matter-what commitment that already exists, not the desperate attempt to impose one that doesn't.
12:06 PM on 06/28/2012
It's not going to happen, or it would have. Your respective ages say a lot.

Does he know how to care for someone? Has he ever had a family commitment to daily care, or for someone's health, like a parent. To me, these are the valid questions to ask about a man his age, never married, who is so reluctant to propose after it's already been discussed. He has an un-realistic sense of time and timing as well.

None of this makes him a bad person or a bad choice, but you should go into it with your eyes wide open...he may never be the family man he thinks he is offering you. It just may not be in him.

But do you want to be dragging him, emotionally, down every path? It forces you to overfunction and mother the whole family, which seldom works out well unless that power balance is right for you both, not just one of you.
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01:55 PM on 06/28/2012
Best response I've read so far!
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Leanne McKenzie
You can't make this sh*t up.
08:18 PM on 06/28/2012
Been there done that. Nearly drove me to a nervous breakdown.

Put up or shut up is the way to go. Ask.
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11:59 AM on 06/28/2012
Its funny that you throw all that out and ignore the straight approach, propose yourself.
Men can apprciate the straithforward path, especially when dealing with women.
But onlyyou can judge what the best approach is based on his unique personality.
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Mary Blickhahn
Is this really the best we can do?
11:22 AM on 06/28/2012
Having been int hat situation, more times then I want to think about...If he is one too like keeping his options open..walk away! If its about a fear of commitment...it can be worked out, There might be more then this..and this means the end. You will be friends..but not married. He might have more maturing to do and that is not something you can control. It will mean you have to decide to hang in there or go look for someone else. Having said all of that...Marriage is about commitment, and that begins for both of you before the ring. If he is not committed there is nothing you can do but walk away. It hurts like hell. But you will be happier n the long run. You need a partner who can be tolerated and committed for that long haul!
botazefa
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01:25 PM on 06/28/2012
"If its about a fear of commitment...it can be worked out"

You may be right, but why is it that "the guy" is the problem? I think the point of the article is that we all project a reality onto things that may not be accurate. Maybe this guy is afraid to commit, sure, but maybe the woman is acting in ways that makes the guy suspicious or she is otherwise subconciously undermining her goal (by freaking out) and appearing overly needy.

Your words make me think of women who fall for the trap that men are in charge. A man can't solve a woman's problems. He can only go along for the ride and provide support.
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Mary Blickhahn
Is this really the best we can do?
04:25 PM on 06/28/2012
You make several really great points.  Relationships are complicated and hard.  They are full of complexities.  Well written. Thank you!
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Colette Kenney
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08:25 PM on 07/03/2012
Awesome botazefa!!

Neediness... That's gotta be one of the biggest turn off's - for men and women alike.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. If she's been needy and demanding about marriage it's not his fault he hasn't proposed. In some ways he's a pure saint to have stuck around this long. Most men would have walked away long ago.

It just goes to show that he sees SOMETHING amazing in her that's keeping him around, despite all the pressure and neediness. If she could just relax and yes, TRUST herself, I can guarantee things would change - for the better.