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08:40 AM on 10/17/2012
And Now...HSUS has issued a 60-day notice of intent to sue the US Fish & Wildlife Service for delisting the Gray Wolf as an endangered species. Is this really where most people believe their donations are going? Yet another lawsuit? Against a government agency?
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12:18 PM on 10/17/2012
Oddly enough, this is one of the few things that doesn't bother me about them. Protecting endangered species is admirable. And it helps to have a big, well-heeled lobby doing it -- suave guys in pinstripe suits, as opposed to silly people in lettuce bikinis. There are tons of things to loathe about the HSUS, but this isn't one of them.
02:25 PM on 10/17/2012
While I agree with your perspective, my point being made was that rather than helping the puppies and kittens in their ads, they are out spending money on more and more lawsuits.
02:43 PM on 10/17/2012
There is one little twist in this, though, that you should look into. If you haven't already, of course. That is the fact that these lawsuits for wildlife species are often double dipping for HSUS, because THEY are paid by the groups they are suing due to a loophole based on a technicality, that they have their own in-house law firm that allows them to take advantage of this. The legislation/act is meant to allow single individuals to play equally with big special interests, but somehow HSUS qualifies as being a "little guy". Someone more up on this fact can - and I HOPE they do - jump in here on how this works, but it is yet another scam. Sportsman's groups are especially concerned about this loophole. It has nothing to do with protecting endangered species. Help, anyone? It's millions for HSUS out of taxpayers' pockets!
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12:42 PM on 10/18/2012
I was actively involved in getting wolves into yellowstone. I totally support that lawsuit as does Defenders of Wildlife, WWF.
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03:42 PM on 10/18/2012
How many multi-million dollar non-profits do we need to work on the same issue anyway?? Because you just mentioned two others. In the case of WWF they raise even more than HSUS does, so now we can combine (at least) those two organizations who support the same thing (in this case, wolves). So, how many more organizations are jumping on the bandwagon of "saving the wolves" to raise a million or hundred million and what will they actually accomplish? What do you think?
06:57 PM on 10/18/2012
Sad to say, I do not. Having a background in ag roots, I know that the population has grown to more than what can be supported without posing a danger to farm animals AND humans. I think this is best left to the experts, and not to men in expensive suits. If there is a wildlife expert in another organization, then I would love to hear their opinion. In the meantime, HSUS is just jumping on the bandwagon of publicity and money.
10:26 PM on 10/16/2012
Another great article Mr. Cooper, and I just bought all your kindle books from amazon. XD I can't what to start reading. Good luck with your... project.
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01:06 AM on 10/17/2012
Gracias! The money's going to a good cause.
07:19 PM on 10/16/2012
For dozens of years I supported the ASPCA and HSUS. Then I learned how these organizations really work and withdrew my support. I couldn't believe how inhumane these groups were to the animals they were supposed to protect. There is some good work they do but it is obvious to me, and others, that they are more about supporting themselves than they are about saving animals. The salaries, of the execs, is ridiculous especially when you add it to all the perks of their jobs.

I live off of a very small income and I am currently giving up supplements I need, for various physical problems, so that I can save a feral group of cats and kittens that took up residence in my back yard. I know many other people who are doing the same thing. You would think that if these execs really loved animals, like we do, that they would forego the large salaries so more pets could be saved.

If people really want to help animals do it locally. Charity really should begin at home. Rather than donate to a huge, wealthy, national organization, donate your time, money, and materials to your local shelters to help make them the best they can be. You have much more control over your donations when you do it locally.
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11:19 PM on 10/16/2012
You're on the side of the angels.
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12:23 AM on 10/17/2012
Agreed.
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02:24 AM on 10/17/2012
Betty, I always tell people NOT to donate to either HSUS or PETA, but to donate to local shelters and rescues. That way they know the $$ is really going to the animals, and not into fat paychecks or retirement funds. I, like you, live on a very small monthly income and help with rescues. I do what I can, and feel that both HSUS and PETA should be ASHAMED of themselves for bilking people like us out of money they could use themselves. It's many times, elderly ladies that donate because they love animals and want to help. I also educate everyone I can, on both organizations.
04:14 AM on 10/17/2012
PeiGal, you have touched upon an important point. I'd love to survey attorneys on this issue, because I know two personally who do a lot of wills and -- to the extent that they can do so -- spend hours educating their clients (yes, particularly older women) on what these groups really are doing, so they can be fully informed before they name HSUS or ASPCA as beneficiaries. Neither of them have ever had a SINGLE instance in which the person was aware that HSUS has no shelters, and ASPCA has only one -- in New York City. The vast majority have no clue that virtually nothing goes to help shelter animals, nor that any of it (never mind MOST of it) goes to salaries, pensions, fundraising, lobbying and lawyers/lawsuits.
It should be criminal. I have long wondered when some family is going to take one of these AR industries to court over bilking the rightful heirs out of their inheritance.
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11:04 AM on 10/17/2012
Nice to see you, PeiGal. I was wondering where you have been.
03:29 PM on 10/16/2012
I am currently in vet school and used to work for our state's Dept. of Ag. I have seen first hand what a joke HSUS is and how unfortunately similar they are to PETA. As an inspector for dog & cat breeders I saw our state laws being twisted and turned the way HSUS wanted to ultimately eliminate all breeding. I am all for going to the shelter to adopt (and we inspect & regulate them as well), however I have seen some awesome breeding facilities where the animals are more spoiled then we could imagine. If only we can get the big time celebrities & millionaires to realize this message maybe HSUS would not run ramped over state authority. I worked very closely with the Humane Society of Missouri and yes they have an inflated budget, however they actually do work their tails off providing the best care for the animals they house and adopt out. HSUS & PETA do not believe in any animal use for testing or research (which means no medications or drugs for people or animals), no animals being kept as pets & companions, and on our campus we have had protests at our vet school painting in animal blood that we are "murderers". If there is protest against a profession that dedicates 8 years of collage and hundreds of thousands of dollars to enhancing animal welfare and medical care......it makes you realize pretty quick what their true beliefs are underneath the cute puppy ads.
08:17 PM on 10/16/2012
Hannah, your information is so important! I am involved in legislation issues for several dog groups, performance clubs, search and rescue groups, etc., and every year I am more and more disgusted and frankly, confused, by the behavior of HSUS. Not only do they simply DEMAND our lawmakers put their laws in place, hammering on the aides and legislators endlessly, badgering, they get away with the most disgusting slander and character assassination, attacking people they don't know, telling lies, simply because they CAN. The average voter just takes their word for it, because "the 'humane society' wouldn't lie", they must be all about loving the animals . . . Our judges and lawmakers don't dare go against anything they force down their throats. According to some of our legislators, the HSUS people actually do attempt to intimidate them, threaten them with label "abuser" or "supporter of puppy mills" if they don't give them what they want. They act like organized crime, for heaven's sake. It is not one bit appealing, but very effective. When it is election time, they whip out those nasty labels, knowing they are not true, but confident that they work. Bless you for your post.
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02:45 AM on 10/17/2012
chienblanc.....same here. I bred and showed dogs for over 40 years, along with being a vet tech and dog groomer. I work rescue and I am SO tired of them making breeders feel like murderers because they breed and sell puppies or kittens, when (as they put it), so many need to be adopted. It's ridiculous. Right now in many states, the USDA is pushing a bill that will make it very difficult for breeders, forcing them to keep their puppies outside in a kennel with untold regulations and requirements, that no one will be able to afford to. When I wrote to my state representitives, I asked them where they would prefer to get their next pet from. Someone forced to raise their puppies and kittens outside in a kennel, or someone who has them in their homes, loves them and socializes them? These laws are NOT for the sake of the animals, but to force breeders out. They want all animals to run wild and free.................. They say they should not be kept in homes or fenced yards. Ya right. Tell that to dogs in winter when it's cold outside, so they are scrounging for food and a warm den, instead of in their owner's comfy bed. It makes no sense!
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02:46 AM on 10/17/2012
Ooooops, forgot. This is all backed by our good friends Wayne Pacelle, and his buddies. HSUS!
12:47 PM on 10/16/2012
A friend of mine use to give them a small donation every year .
They'd send her back a gift that was equal to her donation .(Mug , Blanket etc.).
She , really was very upset with getting gift because she wanted her money to go to the animals .
Shows , that they are just here for SHOW & making huge salaries not for the Critters !
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08:05 PM on 10/16/2012
I stopped donating to HSUS after Katrina. Then the Michael Vick affair really turned me away from the HSUS. The bad thing is we really NEED a national coordinated effort to legislate against puppy mills (and other issues). State by state, we need to get this done. Only then can I (and I know others) feel comfortable with reputable breeders breeding purebred dogs. I do not believe there is no overpopulation problem, and do believe we have to stop more animals from being born first and foremost.

The reason New England has little pet overpopulation is that they have attended to spay and neuter programs 20 years ago. The rest of the country has not as a general rule. (Others can correct me if I am wrong here as this is something I have heard.)

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04:58 AM on 10/17/2012
Actually, dazed cat, I'd like to respectfully suggest that we don't need a national effort against puppy mills and other issues. (And you just went "WHAT????" and considered writing me off entirely, didn't you? But bear with me. I'm on your side.)

Keep reading, and see if it resonates. It is going to sound ridiculous, because we have ALL been so brainwashed. But humor me.

Pretend for a moment that you've never heard the term puppy mill (because before the AR movement invented it and imbued it with their twisted meaning, you hadn't. No one had.)

If you had never heard that term, what would you find upsetting in terms of a certain "image" of dog breeding? I'm guessing it would be poor care, overcrowding, puppies removed from the litter too young, dogs not getting out to run enough for their health and happiness, a lack of cleanliness, possible physical cruelty, etc., etc. Am I right?

You would, I trust, be concerned about those issues for ALL dogs, breeders or not.

This is the crux of the matter, and what many people can fail to see clearly, once the incendiary vocabulary, the myths and propaganda, and the emotionalism get in the way:

There ARE no puppy mills. That is an HSUS invented ruse. A trigger word to elicit from people the desired, pre-implanted mental image and emotional response.

(continued ...)
04:59 AM on 10/17/2012
... (continued from previous comment)

In reality, there are only those who take appropriate care of dogs and those who don't. No special categories or vocabulary required. It ALL falls under animal cruelty and neglect laws, and THOSE are the laws that should be strengthened, where they are deficient. (In many places, they are FINE, and it's enforcement that is the issue, but that's for another day.)

Good, responsible dog owners choose to breed dogs or not to breed dogs.
Good, responsible owners may have one dog or 50.
Cruel and neglectful owners choose to breed dogs or not to breed dogs.
Cruel and neglectful owners may have one dog or 50.
It's NOT about whether you breed or don't breed. It's not about the number of dogs you own. It is about whether the humans fulfill their responsibilities to provide for basic needs, and refrain from being cruel. Period.

Now, take that and transfer it all directly onto the term "factory farm". Same exact deal.

To turn the HSUS's radical vocabulary on them, for a change:
HSUS is a factory fundraiser and a donations mill, and there should be stronger laws against THEM.

So -- how'd I do? :-)
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08:07 PM on 10/16/2012
The overpopulation is not as bad as in the 1970s, but it still exists. I do not believe No-Kill's math. It is old data and the economy has worsened considerably since it was gathered and family demographics have changed. (There is a 2012 American Veterinary Medical Association research that bears this out, and which is ignored by No-Kill.) We have gotten older and will get older. PLUS the original data is not available--I mean the raw data that the numbers are gleaned from. E.g., how exactly did they sample people and what exact questions were asked. This is not available to be analyzed by anyone else but the people who presented it, Maddie's Fund and No-Kill and whoever else might have access. And a pet industry group did some of the research also. I cannot even get clarification from NK whether pets means birds, rabbits, mice and snakes. I do not think they even know. The stats are just blindly quoted and passed on as truth. I do not care that HSUS paid for it via Maddie's Fund, or whoever paid for it. That does not make the data correct. In fact, if people mistrust HSUS, I wonder why they do not mistrust the data. Maddie’s fund hired an advertising agency to present the data. Advertising agencies are usually not in the business of scientific truth, but in the business of persuasion.

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11:50 PM on 10/17/2012
The survey was done by Maddie's Fund and the *HSUS*.
10:28 AM on 10/16/2012
But please do donate to the Humane Society of the United States if you feel that tens of billions of animals who are confined, concentrated, deprived, and violently disassembled for their parts annually deserve more consideration than they're currently given, because the "No-Kill" movement could not be concerned less with their plights. It is these animals who represent the largest body by far--some 99%--of animals who are in dire circumstances.

And please do donate to the Humane Society of the United States if you believe that the environmental devastation caused by "factory farming" matters, because the HSUS is in courtrooms making sure that companies that are dumping animal and slaughter waste in America's waterways face the consequences of those hideous acts.

http://www.humanesociety.org/about/departments/litigation/docket.html

"No-Kill" doesn't concern itself with the animals who are in actual slaughterhouses, meeting actual butchers, and it's up for debate as to whether they're even serving the relatively microscopic number of animals they say they serve (they focus exclusively on the 3 million or so shelter animals who will euthanized for lack of homes, compared to the tens of billions of animals the HSUS positively impacts). If "No-Kill" isn't going to concern itself with the largest body of animals who are being killed, they really should stay out of the way of organization that will.
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12:24 PM on 10/16/2012
UGH, what took you so long Tully? I was waiting for you to show up and bore everyone to death with your long winded, pedantic, pro-kill tripe.
You are the most effective "thread killer" I've ever has the displeasure of encountering online. HSUS and PETA are getting their money's worth out of you, congrats.
03:38 PM on 10/16/2012
Wait. If supporting organizations that seek protections for the tens of billions of farm animals who are killed in this country every year--is considered to be "pro-kill tripe," then what's leaving them out of the conversation altogether considered to be? What's leaving the tens of millions of disenfranchised companion animals living on America's streets out of the conversation considered to be?

"No-Kill" concerns itself a fraction of a fraction of one percent of all animals who experience violence in this country. HSUS and PeTA concern themselves with those animals and ALL the rest. How "No-Kill" can you be if you're willing to ignore the violence and death that's perpetrated against 99% of all animals in the US? I mean, seriously?
12:44 PM on 10/16/2012
So, what does all that have to do with the "cutesy" puppies and kittens? It's still deceptive advertising.
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02:08 PM on 10/17/2012
To that point I just received an email begging for some money to help "dogs, cats and horses". lol
mijjy
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10:24 AM on 10/16/2012
Thanks, Mr. Cooper, for the reminder. I'd had some of this info in memory, but it had fallen to the further, back burner.

I am going to 'help' by letting a few folks I know, who have sent donations, get updated on reality.

It'll be a pleasure. Word will spread in real time, in 1:1's, and keep going...that word-of-mouth thing really works, well. Keep up your good works. You're being blessed and being a blessing, all at one fell swoop.
09:24 AM on 10/16/2012
As both a rescuer and a responsible breeder, I am pleased to see HSUS exposed for what it truly is, and applaud the author for an excellent article. The general public needs to be thoroughly educated about where there hard-earned dollars are going when they donate to HSUS.

HSUS-backed legislation, if it passes, will seriously impede the efforts of responsible breeders to continue to do rescue work. HSUS-backed legislation, if it passes, will impact every animal owner in the country at some point.

When HSUS is finished eliminating rescuers (some of you have called them hoarders), breeders, and animal ag, I have no doubt they will begin to legislate against single-animal owners.
02:01 PM on 10/16/2012
Yes, the public should know where there dollars go. The HSUS spends obscene amounts of money trying to speak and bring relief to the countless tortured animals your industry turns a blind eye to for profit. Heres a thought, maybe if the breeding industry even attempted to clean up its act or self regulate there would be no need for HSUS involvement. All that money could go to shelter reform. But rather than do anything to address the horrors found within your industry better to just complain and whine about outside interference. yes your concern is clearly for the animals.
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02:23 PM on 10/16/2012
You are confusing (on purpose) reputable breeders with dis-reputable puppy mills. So, buzz off Pat. Go spew on your own hateful blog that nobody reads.
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03:19 PM on 10/16/2012
so nice to see you support thieves and liars-well done-not
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09:33 PM on 10/16/2012
"I have no doubt they will begin to legislate against single-animal owners" To me that statement is just fear-mongering. If reputable breeders could regulate the puppy millers, why have not they done it by now? But you do not mention that, you just say rescue work. Rescue the dogs afterwards perhaps? Lets not let those poorly bred abused "purebred" dogs be brought into this world by puppy millers who only care for money and not for dogs. I do not think we can post horrendous photos of abused dogs from puppy mills here on HP but everyone who has open eyes can see them daily. Write the legislation so you are protected then as responsible breeders, but do something to stop the puppy millers.
07:06 AM on 10/17/2012
The HSUS-backed, lobbied, and funded proposed legislation does not "protect" responsible breeders, because HSUS does not believe there are any responsible breeders, despite their hype of having a "breeder's council". The current proposed legislation brings anyone having ONE intact female onto the radar? Fearmongering? Read the PUPS act in its entirety.

HSUS is NOT willing to negotiate. When the IL legislation was proposed a couple of years ago, a task force was formed. Dog breeders were willing to go to the table to negotiate. Jordan Matyas, then of HSUS, refused to negotiate at all. Would give up nothing. Would not negotiate. The task force stalled.

Also, everyone leaves out one BIG factor - the buyer, Is there NO buyer responsibility? Do you buy a car without doing research? A house? Your pet will be with you for a dozen years or more. It seems the public should bear some responsibility to research its purchase.

And as a buyer, it is the buyer's responsibility to research what actually happens when you get a puppy. They poop. They pee. They chew things. Deal with it. They are not disposable items. Unfortunately, our society seems to think they are.
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01:00 PM on 10/18/2012
Our group has tried and continue to try to get the AKC to not support puppy mills. However, they claim they are just a registration agency. Any puppy miller can register any litter and get that AKC seal of approval the uninformed consumers think is some kind of guarantee. It is not.
02:19 AM on 10/16/2012
Thank you for posting this - I have known about this hideous scam for years, and it's so frustrating to see them raking in tens of millions of dollars a year. It's positively criminal when you consider that those donations were diverted from shelters and rescue groups that are down in the ditches trying to make a real difference for real animals, one dog and cat at a time, and they have less funding because HSUS is stealing from them with their deceptive practises. I also heard that they trick local animal control agencies into letting them go along on raids - they show up wearing their jackets with HSUS on the back, with a professional videographer, get videotaped hugging a few pitiful animals, then disappear and use the video to dupe people into thinking they conducted the raid. When they DO conduct a raid I've heard they dump the "rescued" animals on shelters and rescue groups and usually don't donate a penny toward their care.

Anybody reading this, here's an idea. Find a local shelter or rescue group. Check them out, see what they do, and if you think they do good work, donate to them. That way yo know your money will go to help animals in need in your community.
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10:55 AM on 10/16/2012
All that you have heard is true Jessie27! Thanks for your input!
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Kim Egan
01:40 AM on 10/16/2012
I think one major issue is expecting the general public to understand the difference between "animal rights," "animal welfare," and "animal protection" organizations. In my opinion, there is little difference between the first and the third groups. Neither of them are interested in animal welfare except as far as welfare actually furthers their agenda. Peter Singer, credited as being the founder of the modern animal rights movement, has some interesting and frightening writing out there.
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03:43 AM on 10/16/2012
Kim, those basic categories are useful. The lines are not precise, however. I would place myself firmly in the "animal welfare" camp, but I know some truly decent people who speak in terms of "rights", including most of the No Kill community. On a theoretical level, we have obvious differences; on a practical level, these tend to disappear. At least when it comes to the discussion of shelter animals.

If you truly wished to map this world, it would be an extremely complex Venn diagram. But your three circles would make sense of a lot of it.

Peter Singer is indeed frightening.
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10:06 AM on 10/16/2012
Douglas, I doubt the Venn diagram would be as complex as you think. There are a lot of people out there who think they are for animal rights when, in fact, they are for animal welfare. There are also a lot of people who insist they are for animal welfare that, when you dig deep enough, are actually less concerned about using the animal welfare argument to eventually end any need for animal welfare through domestic animal extinction. If you moved those people into the categories that they actually belonged, I think you'd see pretty clear distinction between the groups. In short, I see animal rights and animal protection pretty much overlapping and a tiny sliver of the animal rights/protection circle overlapping a tiny sliver of the animal welfare circle. Looked at in their purest forms, the animal welfare and animal rights agendas are diametrically opposed.
12:47 AM on 10/16/2012
The Indictment of Wayne Pacelle http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=6510

To Wayne Pacelle Supporters: You Don’t Love Animals and You Know It!
http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=6583

The Dead Walk the Earth http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=7229

The Hoarding Card http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=8302

Legislating Doublespeak http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=5311

With the help of the HSUS: Michael Vick Gets a Dog - http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=10679

Shelter Gasses 9 in 10 Pets. HSUS Offers Award. http://humanewatch.org/index.php/site/post/shelter_gasses_9_in_10_pets_hsus_offers_award/

One short story in closing...true story......Once upon a time, there were feral cat caretakers...these caretakers ensured that the cats who they took care of, had food, water, and shelter from the weather. One day, a big bad Mayor learned about the cats and their caretakers, and the heartless freak ordered that the cats be murdered. The cats' caretakers pleaded their hearts out to the HSUS to get involved. The HSUS listened and got involved.....unfortunately for the cats and their caretakers, the HSUS got involved by TELLING THE MAYOR THAT THE CATS SHOULD BE KILLED!

The End.

Please face the truth. Living in ignorant bliss may be nice for you, but it isnt nice for the animals who are dying, thanks in large part to the inhumane society of the United States, who use YOUR money to kill the very animals who YOU want to save.
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03:08 AM on 10/17/2012
EXCELLENT CatTwins :)
12:29 AM on 10/16/2012
Fantastic article. I want to add that actually HSUS is the "mothership" to many shelters and does have quite a bit to do with them. This article addressed the front end sales but with shelters HSUS makes tons of money on the back end. Positioning themselves as the experts thousands of shelters subscribe to their "Animal Sheltering" magazine, pay countless thousands ( averaging at least $25000 each) for shelter "evaluations", shelter "advice", and helpful courses on subjects such as how to properly kill healthy pets and how to lull assembly line killers at the shelters into mental inertia, buy manuals on how to run a kill shelter or build a gas chamber. HSUS also sells kill shelter products and profits from the sale of their advertisers to shelters on products such as Fatal Plus and crematoria. Business is booming for them in the kill shelter industry and really that is what they are all about.
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10:59 AM on 10/16/2012
I have the manual for anyone interested. Got it when I worked for a major SPCA. They called it their "bible". I'll never forget that word being used. Of course, they aspired to be HSUS, as they only took in over $20 million every year in donations, they wanted a piece of that $100 million + that HSUS was raking in.
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Kim Egan
02:40 PM on 10/20/2012
I'd love a copy of that manual, Lucy.
12:02 AM on 10/16/2012
Sorry, but Charity Watch has the weirdest rating systems for charities I've ever seen. It penalizes a charity for having too much in savings. For example, it gave the Elephant Sanctuary low ratings for having a lot set aside for a rainy day. But as a donor, I WANT them to set aside a lot of money. If a recession hits, those elephants need to eat but donations will slow to a trickle. And with the HSUS, when recession hits, that's when they are most needed to do large scale rescues.

In addition many other charity rating systems give HSUS high marks. The HSUS is rated a 4-star charity (the highest possible) by Charity Navigator, approved by the Better Business Bureau for all 20 standards for charity accountability, voted by Guidestar’s Philanthropedia experts as the #1 high-impact animal protection group, and named by Worth Magazine as one of the 10 most fiscally responsible charities.

When you feature one charity rating system, and a weird one at that, over all these others that come to a totally different conclusion, it betrays an underlying bias in your approach.
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01:52 AM on 10/16/2012
What I like about you, Amy, is that you don't seem to have any underlying bias whatsoever. Remarkable, really.
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Kim Egan
01:54 AM on 10/16/2012
Of course there should not be "too much" in savings. The object of a charity is to help others through giving. If a charity is holding onto a lot of their assets, they are failing to give to the people who need their assistance. The argument about funding slowing to a trickle is kind of a moot point. Even in a recession there are plenty of people with healthy incomes in need of making charitable donations.
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Lucy Van Pelt
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11:04 AM on 10/16/2012
Thanks Kim Egan! One would THINK what you say is just common sense! Many of these "charitable" organizations have their priorities backwards, and really, this is a job for the Feds as they should regulate these so called 'non profits' much more than they do. Or, make them pay taxes on the PROFIT they are making. To put it in simpler terms, some of them should have their 501 (c) 3 status revoked.
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03:09 AM on 10/17/2012
EXACTLY Kim!
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11:46 PM on 10/15/2012
It's important to point out that the harassment discussed below should not be attributed directly to the HSUS. There seems to be some confusion regarding this (and perhaps some of it is my fault: it's hard to be precise on Twitter, given the word count).

All of these attacks -- on Wikipedia, on Facebook, here -- are almost certainly the work of one person, who is infamous for doing precisely this kind of thing on behalf of the HSUS, but is -- by all accounts -- not paid by them.

I expand on this here: http://huff.to/SRMXth
08:53 AM on 10/16/2012
Thank you so much for writing this. I have supported the HSUS for years and also a local no kill shelter called Help Humane Society, Belton, MO. I am trust but verify sort of person who will definitely look into your claims.
Thank you again for providing this incite.
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