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12:39 AM on 12/06/2012
I'd like to see studies and facts showing us how exactly sex selection is affecting our society. Until then, this just looks like a cheap trick to reopen the debate.
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alsm9
Bombshell
12:33 AM on 12/06/2012
"He doesn't have numbers on the prevalence in Canada."

And until they do, this is just smoke and mirrors. Pretending they are for "women's rights" when they haven't any information on statistics in Canada, but moving ahead with the issue anyways? He is not for women's rights, he's trying to limit them.
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greysells2
grey cells matter
01:09 PM on 12/06/2012
Why would we have an expensive Parliamentary debate on a problem we don't even know whether it exists or not in Canada? Seems like getting the cart before the horse. sdrawkcabssa. [hint: it is spelled backwards just like this Tory effort is.]
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TonyOnly
Truth matters.
12:27 AM on 12/06/2012
Canadians elected a Conservative government. Why is anybody surprised at this?

Return to policies that didn't work in the past. This is what conservatives do.
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heterodoxlibertarian
small government liberal
01:54 AM on 12/06/2012
That's not really fair. This is one guy. Prime Minister Harper is not supporting this and has been very clear in saying he will not reverse our pro-choice laws.
02:58 AM on 12/06/2012
Harper is too busy firing inspectors, scientists, researchers and regulators because things worked soooo much better in the days of "wild west" capitalism before governments paid any attention to what was going on with the encvironment or food and medicine sales - like back when you could buy "elixirs" off the bac of a wagon. Yeah, that worked so well.
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Skepticat
Supporting skeptical felines everywhere
07:56 AM on 12/06/2012
Nope - you might recall there have been several "guys" appearing sequentially like tag team wrestlers to keep the issue going. Mr Harper runs the party as a control freak. It seems unlikely that these attempts to re-open abortion issues would surface at all without his approval. Whether it is a diversion. "hey look - a plastic fetus" - or an attempt to woo the fundementalist base, the mainstay of cynical republican neocons for decades remains to be seen. As to politicians claiming one thing while doing something else - suffice it to say it's been known to happen.
12:11 AM on 12/06/2012
This immediately makes me think of similar situations in other countries, where helpless baby girls are abandoned and boys are favoured. We, as Canadians, have been vocally opposed to those situations for decades, so I find it all rather puzzling that it is now up for debate, right here, at home.
01:13 AM on 12/06/2012
Except that this is not, in any comparable logical way, similar to what you describe for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which is that any group which pursues sex-selective abortions will soon find itself extinct. The ratio of boys to girls under the age of 12 in China right now is 10:1. TEN to ONE. Can you spell "looming demographic disaster"?
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01:25 AM on 12/06/2012
Its a silly debate to have.
Urban whites, which make up the majority of Canadian, if they were to select for gender would be as likely to select for a girl as much as a boy
Second, unlike in poorer countries we have more complex techniques to ensure the gender of the child at fertilization without abortion. For some reason, this is illegal in the UK.
So all of a sudden we take the power out of two arguments: That this is a big deal in Canada in such a way as to harm demographics (which is what is occuring in China and India and its just terrible), and the aborting of female fetuses/violence towards female babies.
Now, once we know that what could this bill be for?
Two possibilities:
1. Starts restricting abortions, which could be a slippery slope. I am not usually convinced by slippery slope arguments, but in situations where there is inaction and you act, it seems more likely to lead to more action. Right now politicians are afraid to talk about restricting abortions because the Supreme Court and the electorate haven't been kind to them. Once one restriction is passed, it become a viable political topic.
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Michael D. Nicula
11:57 PM on 12/05/2012
#cdnpoli #abortion Online Party of Canada has tabled the issue of Abortion. All Canadian voters can vote today! All the arguments from every angle have been heard and pretty much everyone has made up their mind. Why are we not voting on this issue to put it to rest? We did exactly that in regards to gay marriage.

This is the voting page (you must be a Registered Voter to cast an official vote, but the website collects Guest votes as well): https://www.onlineparty.ca/issue.php?ISSUEID=158

Sadly, our Conservative government has decided to throw this important issue under the carpet simply because they know the outcome of the vote will not be what they want. What kind of democracy do we live in, where our government only proposes legislation they know will pass?
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duggyg
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11:53 PM on 12/05/2012
I hate the idea of sex selection and the tragedy is its always girls that are targeted.......doctors are complicit in this too.
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heterodoxlibertarian
small government liberal
01:50 AM on 12/06/2012
If abortion isn't wrong because you don't want a child at X period of time because of career, or funds, or the guy has proved to be a bad person, then why is sex selection uniquely evil? I don't see anything wrong with it.
10:53 AM on 12/06/2012
It's been debated, and it is only the woman and her partners decision!
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11:47 PM on 12/05/2012
What's amazing is that a Tory social conservative would credit the CBC about anything. Isn't that going against the party line?
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TonyOnly
Truth matters.
12:35 AM on 12/06/2012
It's the CBC that's more and more toeing the Tory government line. Probably fearful of more funding cuts.
03:01 AM on 12/06/2012
The cons are not noted for consistency or logic. Even if the CBC spontaneously and independently started spouting the party line on a shoestring budget and got record ratings the cons would still vote to cut their funding.
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11:33 PM on 12/05/2012
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10:46 PM on 12/05/2012
If Wa-wa's law passes as drafted, the door will be open for every woman who has had both an ultrasound and an abortion to be questioned by the police. Every one.
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Ike Awgu
11:09 PM on 12/05/2012
I'm not saying I agree with the law as drafted (and doubt very much you articulated it even close to accurately) but by what calculus do you reason that every woman being questioned is so titanic an inconvenience as to be more serious than the death of (presumably many) baby girls?
01:15 AM on 12/06/2012
*Potential* baby girls.
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01:28 AM on 12/06/2012
Because we've already agreed that a fetus isn't a baby.
That's what's at question.
If it's an abortion and not infanticide than no baby girls are being killed because none exist.
We could argue if this is actually a problem or not, but that's beyond the point
10:42 PM on 12/05/2012
I marched for women's rights in the 60's and I have no wish to do it again in MY 60's.I would tell this conservative member[read-old'white'and male] that the women who you represent will remember you come election time.Good luck with that,the polls show that a majority of men and women in this country support pro choice so take your ''values''somewhere else.I would suggest the Tea Party in the U.S.
12:04 AM on 12/06/2012
How can a discussion on the issue of using abortion as a means of determining the sex of children be a bad thing?

Seems like an equality issue, to me. Unless, of course, the feminism movement is completely dead. Condoning this practice is an admission by society that females are inferior to males and that implied inferiority is justification for their termination.
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alsm9
Bombshell
12:37 AM on 12/06/2012
Who says this practice is even happening in Canada? They admitted "He doesn't have numbers on the prevalence in Canada." Sounds like a red herring to me and that the real issue they are trying to move forward with is limiting a woman's reproductive rights.
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hanse672000
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10:31 PM on 12/05/2012
Insert all my other comments on this issue that we've all been over, time and time again. who's funding this Merry-go-round... There's massive deficits, serious funding cut's across the country and yet the CON's have unlimited budgets for propaganda advertising and time to waste on motions long ago defeated.
01:18 AM on 12/06/2012
Yep. You have it right. And thank you for keeping your eyes firmly on the prize. If I see one more TV commercial extolling 'Canada's Economic Action Plan" I am going to projectile vomit onto the screen.
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12:44 PM on 12/06/2012
So you're better with the War of 1812 ads then??
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10:10 PM on 12/05/2012
"He doesn't have numbers on the prevalence in Canada." - Yet he'd like to impose his dogma? How about he does his research first... Unless of course this is all about opening up the abortion debate once again...
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Angelo Barovier
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10:32 PM on 12/05/2012
To steal from Stephen Colbert (again): It's the right thing to do because it feels truthy.