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05:23 PM on 12/05/2012
We should be ashamed. And it WILL come back to haunt us.
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petermanierka
to be old is to be wise-sometimes
05:01 PM on 12/05/2012
Who worries about Climate change??? We'll all be rich rich rich!!!!!!
We may not be able to drink the Water or have any foodor have a
little difficulty breathing,our cancerous lesions wont be too pretty
to look at,the drought will remove those pesky forests but,BUT.
WE'LL ALL BE RICH!!!!!!!
05:24 PM on 12/05/2012
Exactly the point.
10:56 AM on 12/06/2012
CO2 does not pollute.
04:58 PM on 12/05/2012
The world needs to stop adding more coal fired power plans.

It is time to speed up the transition to safe, clean alternative energy sources.

Wind, solar, wave energy, geothermal and second generation biofuels made from algae, cellulose and waste are the future.
10:55 AM on 12/06/2012
Some nomads burn dung; you could start burning yours.
04:57 PM on 12/05/2012
Big, cold country that is hot in the summer. We live well due to choices and sacrifices our grandparents made. Makes sense to me
10:54 AM on 12/06/2012
Lefties have trouble with logic.
04:41 PM on 12/05/2012
Wow this is incredibly informative and surprising. Who would have thought that countires without natural resoruces would be ranked higher than those with natural resources. Amazing stuff. Although, I do enjoy the humour in seeing some groups treat China as an emerging nation. I'm not saying Canada doesn't need has to clean up its act, but we are hardly alone. The smoothing over of impacts by coal burining industries and nations tends to make me pay little attention to the analysis of groups such as this.
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Peter Burgess1
04:41 PM on 12/05/2012
"Climate Action Network."

Canadian and vigourously anti-CPC.

"The U.S. ranked 43rd, which was still ahead of Japan, Greece and the Netherlands.'"

That's funny. The US? Where one (1) coal burning state pumps out 5 times as much GHG's as the ENTIRE OIL SANDS production, wells-to-wheels?

What a sick joke.
04:53 PM on 12/05/2012
Yeah, but they are using that coal to power their Govco Volts.
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Peter Burgess1
04:54 PM on 12/05/2012
lol.
06:36 PM on 12/05/2012
Is your figure for the oil sands including the carbon that is produced when the oil is eventually burned?
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Peter Burgess1
06:41 PM on 12/05/2012
Yes. Wells-to-wheels as they say. All told the total oil sands production GHG output is  49 million tons, before that, and around 74 million tons all totalled, as you say, eventually burned. This compares with 250-350 million tons from each coal burning state.

http://elizabethmaymp.ca/parliament/publications-parliament/householders/2012/02/22/how-large-are-the-greenhouse-gas-ghg-emissions-from-the-oil-sands/

http://www.c2es.org/science-impacts/basics/fact-sheets/coal-facts
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Peter Burgess1
06:51 PM on 12/05/2012
Yes. I posted a long reply here with links but I guess H.P doesn't like links. You can look it up yourself.

The entire oil sands pumps out 49 million tons. Adding "wells-to-wheels" entire life-cycle multiplies this by 1.38 but lets' call it 1.5 instead just to make sure we have a high enough number ok? So that's 73.5 million tons.

US coal burning is 2 BILLION tons. Divided by 8 coal-burning states that's 250 million tons per state. Or between 3-5 times as much as the entire life cycle of the entire oil sands depending on which state you look at.
04:36 PM on 12/05/2012
The Harpercons bragged that Canada would punch above its weight and they've achieved their goal.

No doubt it will be big party time at CPC headquarters.
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Peter Burgess1
04:37 PM on 12/05/2012
And the Liberal sheep were happy Chretien signed an agreement they never bothered to even try and understand.
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Donnerskinde
I used to be a people person,till people ruined it
05:01 PM on 12/05/2012
And we're so happy that conservatives like you plan to condemn us to the worst possible fates rather then try to use our large resource base to make our future better and greener. WTG!!
05:06 PM on 12/05/2012
They understood it alright; however, after the NEP knew full well it would take education, working with the provinces and trying to develop a cross-Canada awareness before any of the heavy lifting could be done. Their mistake was in signing it without having developed such a plan and preparing Canadians including the hordes of head in the sand deniers here in the west for it.

So let us compare:

LPC - signed, said they were going to do something a didn't get it done
Reformer's - let it lapse, say they are doing something, do less than nothing all while trying to sabotage world efforts to build consensus and move forward to deal with it.

We the LPC "bad" in this area? I have always thought so, but what the Reformer's have been and are doing is far worse.
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05:01 PM on 12/05/2012
You should know by now that every time the NeoCons open their mouths it is a lie. If Harper was Pinocchio his nose would be wrapped around the world 17 times.....
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Peter Burgess1
04:35 PM on 12/05/2012
Plainly ridiculous, meaningless and based on nothing more than politics.

Comparing Canada to any country that isn't an energy producing nation is hogwash.

Oh wait -- you're going to say "Norway" right? Yeah. look it up. Norway actually achieved it's Kyoto goals by INCREASING it's GHG output.

The history here that 99.99999% of you know nothing about is that Chretien signed kyoto simply to win an election. When he did he signed Canada up to far-and-away the HIGHEST reduction goals of any energy producing country on the planet. He did so by his own admission without the foggiest notion how those goals would be achieved. His eyes were simply on the election. He didn't fight like other nations fought to get a decent fair deal and achievable goals.

Sure, it doesn't help that the current CPC is no friend to the environment but frankly neitehr was the LPC: 2 weeks after signing Kyoto Chretien's environminister invested $100 million into Suncor investments in the oil sands.

Then there are the partisan hacks here, blind to what the LPC had done, (and no, I'm not a supporter of the CPC - natually only a partisan hack like you would believe it has to be one or the other), happy to let all the blame for this situation to land on the CPC alone and happy to jump on this ridiculous politically-inspired bandwagon of a lie that proposes that somehow Canada is responsible for mankinds reckoning of the entire Industrial Age.
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Donnerskinde
I used to be a people person,till people ruined it
05:05 PM on 12/05/2012
WOW Peter your abdication or responsibility or balance is incredible. You focus on what has happened as opposed to what steps the Harper government ( a party you obviously voted for) is currently taking to dismantle ecological responsibility across all fronts ( water safety, air purity, environmental monitoring, accountability etc...). Its not just that we are failing to move forward with a more ecologically sound model, but that because of Harper we are actually moving backwards towards more harmful policies to promote short term financial gain for a very select few people.
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Peter Burgess1
05:10 PM on 12/05/2012
"WOW Peter your abdication or responsibility or balance is incredible."

Is that a sentence? Because it doesn't really make sense, eh?

"You focus on what has happened "

It's not my focus on what has happened, it's my focus on the very important details as to how we partly got into the mess we're in today. That you don't want to hear the very relevant truth that Kyoto was signed with reduction goals we could never attain is indicative of your unwillingness to look at reality and deal with it.

"Its not just that we are failing to move forward with a more ecologically sound model, but that because of Harper we are actually moving backwards towards more harmful policies to promote short term financial gain for a very select few people. "

 I agree with you. 100%. Why you think it counters anything I say in my post is beyond me. Perhaps it's because you mistakeningly believe that signing Kyoto without even remotely trying to get a good deal with goals we could accomplish is somehow "moving forward" when in fact it's the opposite: setting yoruself up to fail.
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DirkNeptune
I love raspberry pie, damn it.
05:08 PM on 12/05/2012
Nice to know you're the only one who "gets it" on here.

And thanks for putting words in our mouths that we all think Chretien did a bang up job. Bad is bad, no matter who is responsible for it.

The point is, as you put it, that the "CPC is no friend to the environment" - and that's not going to change any time soon.

And why do I doubt people's integrity when posters on here say "I'm not a supporter of the CPC?"

More often than not, Conservatives use it to make themselves seem reasonable when trashing the other side.
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Peter Burgess1
05:16 PM on 12/05/2012
"Bad is bad, no matter who is responsible for it."

Glad to hear you say it. No need to get cranky.

"The point is, as you put it, that the "CPC is no friend to the environment""

No. The "point" is the entire story up till this point. Anyone who claims otherwise is doing it becuase they have a political/partisan axe to grind.

"And why do I doubt people's integrity when posters on here say "I'm not a supporter of the CPC?"

Because sheeple like to believe whatever they want? Because you don't knwo what you're looking at when someone has criticisms for both parties? BEcause you're so darn used to Liberals following a scripted propaganda-fed group-think that when you see someone say something that colours outside those lines you conclude that they 'simply must" be conservative. Yep. That's about how deep you can think I suppose.

I'm pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-legalization, pro-immigration. That you need to believe otherwise is indicative of just tha: your *need* to believe the opposite just to keep your ideologies justified.

"More often than not, Conservatives use it to make themselves seem reasonable when trashing the other side. "

Yep whatever. Like I say, hyper-partisan sheeple like yourself who couldn't critically think their way out of a paper-bag come up with all sorts of "evidence" based on assumption in order to not have to re-think anything at all.
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DirkNeptune
I love raspberry pie, damn it.
04:35 PM on 12/05/2012
Don't worry Canada, Harper is working rigorously on a solution.

As I type this, he's busy trying to figure out a way to stop websites from reporting the results of this report next year.
10:52 AM on 12/06/2012
Got a link?
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DirkNeptune
I love raspberry pie, damn it.
10:57 AM on 12/06/2012
Got a brain?
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Mad Hatter 1
04:14 PM on 12/05/2012
Our Canadian Government working against one and all daily.
10:52 AM on 12/06/2012
I'll be voting Conservative again in 2015. Best government we've had in my going on 7 decades on this Earth.
04:09 PM on 12/05/2012
We're number one! We're number one! Go Canada!
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Sherwood
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NTodd
Aude Sapere
04:07 PM on 12/05/2012
If there is such a thing as a Canadian national identity, it's that we're not the United States. Americans by and large don't care much about the rest of the world, and their place in the international community isn't normally a concern. We're not like that. Canadians reject that kind of international arrogance, and for good reason. Americans suffer a lot of problems because of their ignorance of and arrogance toward the rest of the world. Our current federal government is behaving in a way that is totally alien to our identity. It's as if a hostile nation has taken over. We are going to have to fight the present regime for the soul of our country.
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Rob Vann
Ed Snowden is a WAKEUP CALL
04:32 PM on 12/05/2012
Very well put.. I's hard to fathom how we could sink so fast. Morphed from Batman into the Joker overnight..F/F
04:57 PM on 12/05/2012
Never miss a chance to take a shot at the USA. Read it again...you are WORSE than America in this regards. You also club baby seals to death but lets not get off on a tangent. Nice to see you "Oh so sophisticated" Canadians put in your place for once. And the government you have is the one you voted for, same as here when Canadians had an anerysm every day about George Bush. Maybe you aren't the people you like to pretend you are. No better than the rest of us. Sucks doesn't it?
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Donnerskinde
I used to be a people person,till people ruined it
05:17 PM on 12/05/2012
That you for being a great example of the american educational system. We are better then you, we have historically been more respected internationally, more progressive, better educated, more polite, and certainly more aware of our place in world.
Sadly our current government while still more liberal even then your democrats, has been pursuing a model of government based on Bush era doctrines, and distressed reganomics. So please, we'll go back to being a polite and well educated people ANEURYSM free when you stop exporting your politics to our country.
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Aude Sapere
07:03 PM on 12/05/2012
I AM one of you.
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mravka
The world has gone completely mad.
03:45 PM on 12/05/2012
Shame on us all.
10:49 AM on 12/06/2012
Shame on you, I like what's going on and support it.
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Aurel1us
They're eating her!Then they'll eat meeee
03:40 PM on 12/05/2012
Not surprising. We make our cash with natural resources that we export(mainly), and we import finished goods.