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09:07 PM on 12/06/2012
Tougher penalties absolutely , who's with me when I say castirization
09:04 PM on 12/06/2012
There needs to be stiffer penalties for pedophiles, but not a two-tiered legal system.

At issue is having a good system in place to support victims of pedophiles. That would allow them to report such crimes and have confidence in that the system works.
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Wendy Stewart
08:32 PM on 12/06/2012
Pedophiles do not get what they deserve in any country. They should all be put to death because they will never change and always be a menace to society.
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FredSanders
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11:27 PM on 12/06/2012
Uninformed nonsense. Do you even know what the sentencing range is for sexual crimes, or the range charges that are possible?
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SeanMartin
Everything in moderation.
08:32 PM on 12/06/2012
While I agree with Fleury on most points, I really have to wonder:

He was 16, not seven or eight. He was certainly old enough to know what was going on. I dont think it takes much to realize that he knew there was a NHL career at the end of this, which — sorry, but it does — makes some of the things he say suspect, since clearly he benefited quite well.

Yes, I know, an unpopular opinion, but let's not forget that he could have walked away from it at any point in time. But he wanted that career spot. And he got it, because people like Graham James made it possible.
08:56 PM on 12/06/2012
Sex offenders like James are very good at grooming their victims.
09:24 PM on 12/06/2012
Your're blaming the victim. Is it any wonder people don't report these types of abuses; pedophiles who say coach hockey, etc. generally are very likeable, people that you think you can trust with your children. Read all about it in the Jerry Sandusky story. When these "nice guys" get accused of unspeakable acts people don't believe the victim.

You're implying that Fleury owed Graham James a favor or two for the hockey career he got in the end. Really, is that how you see the world?
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SeanMartin
Everything in moderation.
09:59 AM on 12/08/2012
Not completely blaming the victim. I'd say there's plenty of culpability on both sides.

And I'm certainly not saying Fleury "owed" James anything. That's from your fevered imagination, not mine. James wanted sex. Fleury wanted a career in the NHL. Both got what they wanted, and both suffered for it. Any more questions?
08:16 PM on 12/06/2012
Great work, Theoren. You are a canadian hero
08:14 PM on 12/06/2012
our whole Justice system needs to be re-written:
-a flat hourly rate for defence, aka public defenders. Currently, criminals get the best lawyers tax payers money can buy. You or I could never afford one.
-Judges follow the leads by defence lawyers, many were lawyers. They should be elected or held much more accountable. The criminal code provides ample sentencing guidelines, but no-one EVER gets a maximum sentence or even near it. Judges distain minimum sentences and often ignore them.
-Prosecutions should be done with well funded crown attorney offices, with their own investigative staff, to take the burden off the police, who become clerks once charges are l
laid.

Good luck Theo, your 100% right.
09:17 PM on 12/06/2012
Elected judges would be a DISASTER, we need less politics in the courts not more. Just look at the US to see what a disaster elected judges are.
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shediac
10:44 PM on 12/06/2012
No criminals do not get the best lawyers. Those that can afford it get the best lawyers. This is a sad awful case and all sex abuse cases should be prosecuted to their full extent, including certain religious denominations. If you want to live in a country with 'elected' biased judiciary system move to the USA. The law judicial system in Canada is not perfect but it it superior to US or other systems that favour corporations and money. Yes Theo deserves our support as do thousands of children that have been abused.
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07:27 PM on 12/06/2012
There needs to be stiffer penalties for pedophiles, but not a two teired legal system.
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Faniel Darmer
06:10 PM on 12/06/2012
As a teen I can recall that I would have had the inner strength to tell a potential abuser to 'get lost' but not all people have that I understand. I think Fluery might have put up with it ( and even gone through with it ) because he knew the coach held the keys to his future in the NHL.

And so, if that is true, he can't really claim victimhood in the way he is.... if he was 5 years old maybe... but how old was he at the time 15 or 16?
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CarlyQ
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08:12 PM on 12/06/2012
People who, unlike you, don't have the inner strength to tell a potential abuser to get lost are the ones most frequently targeted by predators. They may lack inner strength because of previous abuse or dysfunctional family dynamics. Even at 15 or 16, it is STILL a predator's fault for preying on someone weaker.
08:44 PM on 12/06/2012
Any person that is an authority figure or holds any kind of power over you, no matter what your age, can abuse you. Are you saying that youths that are abused by parents or teachers or other people like that can't be abused because there too old. That's like saying woman asked to be raped because of what they're wearing. I don't think he put up with it, he probably felt alone abd didn't know what else to do, but I have to say it is ignorant attitudes like this that keep our justice system in such a lenient place.
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FredSanders
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05:42 PM on 12/06/2012
"He's pushing for a minimum sentence of 15 years in prison for each count of sexual abuse"
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Taking all discretion away from the judiciary is dangerous and unnecessary.
08:58 PM on 12/06/2012
I would take mandatory consecutive for multiple victims.
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Donna Meness
I have never been accused of being succinct..grin
05:41 PM on 12/06/2012
http://www.helpguide.org/mental/child_abuse_physical_emotional_sexual_neglect.htm

http://www.d2l.org/site/c.4dICIJOkGcISE/b.6069283/k.DEE1/Reporting_Child_Sexual_Abuse_to_the_Authorities.htm

http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_for_families/responding_to_child_sexual_abuse

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As a coach, you play an important role in a young person’s development – both off and on the field of play. Your influence goes far beyond a single season and far beyond teaching the skills of a game.

You are trusted. You have to be, to be a successful coach.

Because young players want to please their coach and because their self-confidence and self-esteem is just building, many find it difficult to refuse what a coach asks of them. This gives a coach an enormous amount of power. Most coaches use this power positively and work hard at helping to develop a young person’s sense of success, self-worth, confidence, and positive values.

Unfortunately, there are a few people who seek out opportunities, such as coaching, looking for a chance to take sexual advantage of a young person. They know that being a coach means they can gain the trust of – and power over – young people.

*The very thought that one of your young athletes may be a victim of sexual abuse seems
unthinkable—even impossible. That’s why sexual abuse can go undetected.

*( not since Jerry...DM)

http://www.mtc.gov.on.ca/en/sport/coaching/coach-notes.pdf
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Gabriel Oakes
05:39 PM on 12/06/2012
Well it should always be consecutive. Anything else is like only being punished once.
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jeremyemilio
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09:37 PM on 12/06/2012
Agreed. In fact, I've often wondered why prosecutors even bother trying all charges at once. Just press charges related to one victim, and then when that trial's done, win or lose, turn around and charge him with incidents related to the next victim on the list.
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Donna Meness
I have never been accused of being succinct..grin
05:32 PM on 12/06/2012
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/410?task=view

Preventing Child Sexual Abuse

An atmosphere of trust, confidentiality, and openness to discussing sexual issues all contribute to prevention of child sexual abuse. These social determinants also contribute to the healing and resilience of people who have experienced sexual abuse.

School-based prevention programs that teach avoidance skills to youth show evidence that youth empowerment and safety can be increased, and also help reduce stigma and self-blame for sexually abused youth.

Training of medical providers, school staff, clergy, child protection caseworkers, forensic interviewers, and law enforcement officials can increase the willingness of youth to disclose child sexual abuse as well as the willingness of adults to report suspected abuse.

Training parents to refute common myths around "stranger danger" can help to increase their awareness of far more common (and preventable) sexual abuse risk factors in the household.

Training parents to teach proper names for genitals and other reproductive organs to their youngest children can help to increase youths’ empowerment to resist sexual abuse or disclose it to trusted adults. It can also reduce shame, stigma, and self-blame for youth who have experienced child sexual abuse.

By Kurt Conklin, MPH, MCHES
Advocates for Youth © February 2012

read the rest & check out the references.. DM
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Twobit Guy
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05:31 PM on 12/06/2012
Pretty sad when pot heads get more jail time than pedophiles.
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FredSanders
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11:21 PM on 12/06/2012
Utter nonsense. Where did you pull that out from?
05:19 PM on 12/06/2012
Tougher sentences need to be looked at for sure, but we also need to look especially at prevention. No matter how tough a sentence is it does not undo what is done.
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Whistlejackett
Hey stop doing that
06:02 PM on 12/06/2012
Part of prevention is to understand that many assaulted children could become pedophiles to. Without proper help this is a reality for many. Fleury I hope understands this and should be careful about how he expresses himself. Driving the innocent into hiding is not a good idea.
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jeremyemilio
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10:00 PM on 12/06/2012
This is a dangerous myth. Victims of childhood sexual abuse are more likely to commit a sexual offense ONLY when prostitution is thrown into the mix as a sex crime. Victims of childhood sexual abuse are no more likely than the general population to become sexual predators.

Victims of physical abuse (being beaten), on the other hand, are considerably more likely to become predators of all sorts (including sexual predators).

http://www.cj.msu.edu/~outreach/mvaa/Child%20Protection/Victims%20of%20Childhood%20Sexual%20Abuse%20Later%20Criminal%20Consequences.pdf

Just one study among the many that have exploded this myth over the past decade or two.