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11:44 AM on 12/11/2012
some artists, more ingenious than others, have found a way to take profit out of the internet sharing. have you ever heard of bandcamp, opensource and such? we are into the future, it is the new reality and hollywood will also have to adapt. they'll have to get over it one day, as many people are getting rid of their tv, their dvd, and rely on digital medias.
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Scoville Scale
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11:27 AM on 12/11/2012
This is a shakedown, and it needs to be met with strong resistance, not capitulation.
03:04 PM on 12/11/2012
I totally agree. Maybe us HP members against this should start up a Facebook page or something.

Everyone should go to the Openmedia website as well... they are doing amazing things for all Canadians when it comes to an open internet and protecting our rights as well.
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gravescanada
11:17 AM on 12/11/2012
Just one point, people who download are far more likely to buy a movie than those who do not. If your product is great, then people will want a crystal clear copy. Most torrent movies are good but not great.
01:06 PM on 12/11/2012
I agree.. My husband and I d/l and if we really like it we go out and buy it on DVD or Blue Ray!!
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Scoville Scale
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01:51 PM on 12/11/2012
Same goes for music.
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Cam Davies
10:54 AM on 12/11/2012
The movie industry is making record profits year after year. Consistently breaking box office records with crappier and crappier releases. The Twilight series has made $3.2 Billion. That's Billion! and that's a movie with an audience as internet savvy as anyone. Nothing more than the greed of a dying distribution model that knows it's days are numbers as they are no longer needed.
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Shaun L
Self-proclaimed political pundit
11:17 AM on 12/11/2012
I agree with you for the most part. I would not say the movies are getting crappier and crappier. Twilight is a million times better than Freddy got Fingered!
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Cam Davies
11:36 AM on 12/11/2012
well you got a point there.  I'm just glad Freddy got fingered didn't make 3.2 Billion.
10:48 AM on 12/11/2012
TekSavvy is the best internet provider here, so I'm glad they're sticking up for their consumers and not giving away information unless forced to do so.
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01:26 PM on 12/11/2012
Be nice if teksavvy just destroyed all their gate keeping records so they don't have any idea who did what or when.
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10:48 AM on 12/11/2012
I'm with TekSavvy, no email or snail mail as yet from anyone. I try use my full 300GB each month to upload & download content.

Here's hoping my IP was on the list, I really really want a court case, I've been waiting over a decade for this moment.

I'm so excited!!!!!!
03:49 PM on 12/11/2012
Lapetus:

You'll have to update us all if you do get a notice or letter from someone representing a media company.

I'm going to try to start a Facebook page in the next day or so (assuming there's not one already for this sort of thing here in Canada). That way, we can keep this thread going or have everyone give their opinions on this topic.

Glad you haven't got anything though, it may take a while even if you do.
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05:09 PM on 12/11/2012
Don't worry, everyone will know it if they come after me. I'll be the one heading for the Supreme Court with my case. If a lower doesn't settle it first in my favour.
The Westender
People prefer simple lies to complicated truths
10:41 AM on 12/11/2012
If Al Gore wouldn't have invented the World Wide Web unless he meant for people to share. He's just like that.
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rainbowthinks
10:48 AM on 12/11/2012
Al Gore Never Said He Invented the Internet
Read more at http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/12/al-gore-never-said-he-invented-the-internet/#ZEakVhcxyO0zh4b8.99
The Westender
People prefer simple lies to complicated truths
01:01 PM on 12/11/2012
next time I will be more careful to fact check my attempts at humor.
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Old Glenridge
in the Great White North
10:22 AM on 12/11/2012
How the heck are they going to prove that the person who has the name on the Internets account is the person doing the downloading?

Without siezing computers and inspecting hard drives this seems like it will go nowhere in a courtroom.
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novabird
Lover of Life, Radical Centrist
10:50 AM on 12/11/2012
They will probably use intimidation and threats and many people will likely incriminate themselves when that happens.
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Old Glenridge
in the Great White North
11:05 AM on 12/11/2012
Ya likely.

If you have a wifi network that is unsecured or hacked into, your neighbour could be downloading day and night and the owner of the account may not even have a clue it is happening.
11:21 AM on 12/11/2012
They don't need to. They will go after the account owner and if you choose to hire a lawyer and fight you will easily be looking at $30k in legal fees. If you are lucky you *might* be able to get costs awarded against them.

In the US this is now an extortion scheme, with lawyers who do nothing but accuse people of file sharing then intimidate them into settling for small amounts, I believe the usual number is around $3000. I think its clear they want to start the same racquet in Canada.
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Old Glenridge
in the Great White North
11:31 AM on 12/11/2012
That is what happened in America. A foreign country. With wacky courts.

I am concerned about what happens up here. Seems to me if they want to prove I stole something they better find the stolen goods.

The moral of this story .. do all your downloading at Tim Hortons, MacDonalds or Starbucks.
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01:28 PM on 12/11/2012
And Harper, being corrupt, is more than happy to sell out Canadians.
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freeSpeakr
I stand on the shoulders of giants
10:21 AM on 12/11/2012
This whole copyright thingy is just another emergent property resulting from the ongoing merger of state and corporate power.

Enjoy.
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mpasmith
Send in ... the clowns.
10:08 AM on 12/11/2012
They should be going after the folks who upload and distribute illegal digital copies, not the downloaders.
10:15 AM on 12/11/2012
The problem is the most common type of download, torrents, by default make you upload the file while you are downloading, making you liable for uploading. The government should be going after people making profits from copyright infringement.
10:42 AM on 12/11/2012
What would be really great is to spend tax dollars not in court rooms but in the House of Commons debating how we can better legislate telecommunications and open up broadcasting on the Internet with public dialog (example the recent debate on cell phone contracts). Why is it that so much content is unavailable to Canadians, forcing them to resort to piracy to obtain the same entertainment readily available to others around the world?
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mpasmith
Send in ... the clowns.
11:43 AM on 12/11/2012
Yes, but I mean the folks who actually create the content.
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piceaglauca
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09:55 AM on 12/11/2012
The privacy legislation doen't allow it except in police matters. Doubt if it will happen here.
10:08 AM on 12/11/2012
I hope this is true because if not I believe the government has gone to far by making every one criminals just to enforce copyright laws. The government should enforce copyright law on people making money off of copyright infringement.
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piceaglauca
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10:22 AM on 12/11/2012
And that's the magnitude of it. Because of its size it is too overwhelming to address.
10:41 AM on 12/11/2012
*continued*

These companies bank on one thing: Intimidation.

Say in the case of Voltage, they have a supposed 2000 IP addresses. Even if they got all the data from Teksavvy through a judge, they'd still have to send out letters to all the people involved. Let's say it was 1000 customers involved (as some used multiple IP addresses). It doesn't say in this article when the infractions occurred, so it's presumable some customers are no longer with Teksavvy and maybe have moved away from their former billing address. Sending a letter to these customers is fruitless. You need a last-known address that's valid, a company cannot randomly send out a letter with personal data hoping someone is still at that address. If you moved and didn't know anything about Voltage sending out letters for downloading or copyright infringement, you have no obligation to contact them or send a new forwarding address. They would have to occur the expense of trying to find you and then send a process server to serve you after that.

Even If you are served with a letter or correspondence and asked to pay upfront to avoid court, this is how these companies try to intimidate you. They hope you get so scared, you'll pay the fee they're asking (let's say it's $2000). Why? Most people would be scared or ashamed of going to court, especially thinking all their personal secrets will be exposed.

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10:38 AM on 12/11/2012
It's definitely a civil lawsuit and getting a judge to order an ISP to hand over their logs and data isn't as easy as you think. Especially if the ISP doesn't have static IP addresses.

The one way I can see the ISP beating companies like Canipre and Voltage is to charge them for every IP address they have to gather info on. If they charge for this (maybe they already do, I haven't confirmed this 100%) and charge a really high amount (and get a judge to agree with this too), it will significantly make these companies think twice about going after ISP's.

Why? Maybe these companies feel as though they can pass the fee to the people they are going after. However, there are technicalities along the way in going after someone's IP address. If it's not static or has changed, there's going to be some doubt to who had the IP address for a particular download. As well, there's no proof someone didn't hack into your unsecured router along the way too for downloading. Last time I checked, it wasn't illegal to leave a router unsecured, it just made sense to secure it for your own personal use.

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Juniper1111
Kia kaha
09:43 AM on 12/11/2012
We should start demanding monetary refunds when movies suck because so many of them do. When we get crap products or crap service, we complain, we return the item, we get refunds, we get discounts. Well I've wasted many hours of my life and much cash watching crap movies and I want my money back as well.

Download my resentment Hollywood because you keep churning out recycled crap. And I'm pretty sure your actors, actresses, directors, producers, etc are not going hungry. Why didn't you sue us in the 80's with our dual cassettes and vcrs? It's the same damn thing.
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AlwaysCanadian
Lifelong Pacifist
09:30 AM on 12/11/2012
Canadians should unite against this. If a few Canadians are singled out and accused of downloading, we should all start downloading in protest. They can't sue the entire population, can they?
ChrisH75
Apprenez à vivre ensemble/Learn to live together.
09:40 AM on 12/11/2012
I bet you they would try. We're roughly 35 million now? That's not that many people compared tot he US.
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Runey
religion is why we can't have nice things.
07:24 AM on 12/11/2012
"TekSavvy uses dynamic IP, which means one computer can have more than one IP address over time."

Just a little note here.. this isn't technically true. Most people are on dynamic, certainly.. but you can have a static ip with teksavvy. That is offered.

Secondly, I've always found TekSavvy to be a great company for working towards' consumers' rights, including when it came to Bell's throttling and net neutrality battles with the CRTC.
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11:40 AM on 12/11/2012
You must also pay extra (monthly fee) for the static IP, typical only those running personal servers are willing to pay for a static IP.
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Runey
religion is why we can't have nice things.
12:07 PM on 12/11/2012
yeah but the $4 charge also covers mlppp which is used for encrypting your connection