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zaksawyer
11:22 AM on 12/19/2012
They can always go back... I'm sure they'll find jobs easier in their home countries.
Not to mention it'll free up the workforce for Canadians.
09:01 PM on 02/13/2014
Wow do you mean someone would hire me?
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Cael
11:14 AM on 12/19/2012
1. You are not guaranteed anything coming to Canada especially when many Canadians cannot get jobs in their fields.
2. Education systems are different around the world, what one country sees as acceptable for becoming a doctor may not be here, so I we let them become a doctor and he kills someone because of his lack of a proper education then what? We have to make sure their education is up to our standards.
3. Language. We speak french or english here, and you need to have knowledge of that language to succeed. I have seen many older immigrants that come to Canada and make no effort what so ever to learn one of our official languages.
4. You can talk about integration all you want but when immigrants come to Canada and flock together and do as little as possible to integrate. The chinese are the worst for this, taking over whole neighborhoods, sticking around only other chinese. You see it all the time where I live. I have also seen racism from the chinese that had no whites sign on their store.
5. This is Canada, we have our own laws, our own culture. You come to this country you need to abide by these rules and stop trying to force your laws and culture on us shouting racism.
6. integration is good, but it has to work on both sides.
02:05 PM on 12/19/2012
1. True
2. True, but it should specifically be determined why some people can't qualify: is it the language, the technical skill, or both? I think employers sometimes make the false assumption if the country's not English-speaking, then the education quality = mediocre....well, it can be, but not always. Analogy/example: it's known that a Chinese kid and a Cdn kid can be on the same grade in their respective countries, but the Chinese kid has been taught a higher level of Math. Here, you see, the quality is better in China, it's just the language that lacks & must improve.
3. True
4. I know plenty of immigrants who refuse to integrate, but I know many who try VERY, VERY HARD and still won't be accepted. Not all native Canadians are as welcoming as you think they are.
5. It's not about forcing laws and cultures, they're frustrated that even with tons of experience and comparable technical skill, they're still rejected. If the English must improve, then fine, but if they've done all they can to catch up w/ native Canadians, then they deserve more or less, equal considerations. It's unacceptable that interviewers won't take a look at the resume just by reading the foreign names and nothing else.
6. Agree
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Cael
02:47 PM on 12/19/2012
The number 4. I know most cultures do try and integrate and some do push back, but I notice a lot of chinese tend to only hang around other chinese.

the number 5, I am more talking about basic laws, for example christmas everything is closed, or at least use to be, but I know a lot of chinese only malls that would stay open and say they had a right to do so.  Whether you believe in christmas or not, we have a law that no one opens, and you must abide by that.  This use to happen back when stores couldnt open on sundays too, but if you went to china town in toronto on a sunday it was business as usual and they usually did not get fined because it would look like racism.  That bugs me.

There is definitely some changes needed, hate to see qualified doctors working at Tim Hortons when so many people cant find a family doctor.  We need programs in place to qualify peoples education without them losing it all.  But do it so we cover risk to if dealing with a country that may have a sub standard educational system.

I feel as a country, Canada bends over way to much to immigrants in many ways and it is causing us to lose our identity as a nation.  If people immigrated to other countries they would never cater to them by bending laws due to cultural changes, they would just say
11:14 AM on 12/19/2012
It's not pregidous and it's not bias. If you can't communicate in the language of the country you are attempting to work in.
No matter how smart you are or how many degrees you have, you still need to be able to communicate with your co workers.
The higher the skill level of the job the higher the requirement for language skills.
Do you really want for example a health care provider to be brilliant and unable to communicate with any of his/her team members above a grade 6 level.
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11:42 AM on 12/19/2012
I agree totally. Language skills are crucial in many occupations; if you are in a profession like medicine you have to be able to communicate easily with your patients and coworkers and they have to be able to understand you. I was a medical transcriptionist in a large hospital where a lot of doctors and residents had English as a second or third language. I often had no idea if an ESL surgeon cut to something or through something; if a patient had something in the past or has it in in the present. You can't afford misunderstandings in medicine or a doctor who says a wrong med because it sounds like another med or doesn't understand verb tenses etc etc. Not only should their English be excellent but if they are in a speciality they have to be able to communicate in the English terms of that specialty. If you are building a skyscraper or operating on a patient you have to be able to fully communicate in speech and in writing. Period.
11:03 AM on 12/19/2012
It appears to me the major problem immigrants have in moving to Canada is their lack of ability to converse in the English language effectively . I notice in the article towrds the end it mentions that Yin , on opening his store , picks up a Chinese paper to read while awaiting customers . Perhaps if his first choice of reading material became Engish language first ,he would soon master the use of idioms etc. and gain more familiarity with the language he would have to use in any jobs for which is qualified , and that he applys for .

One of the major problems as I see it is the reluctance of immigrants to really become assimilated into the Canadian mosaic . It is understandable that they want to hang onto home country ties , traditions etc. but until they embrace Canadian ways , their chances of success in this country become more problematic . To a large degree the same thing applies to our aboriginal cousins who wish to remain as they were before the white man arrived .

On another related topic , one wonders why we have not established programs for educating the people we need rather than having to try to lure people from other countries . A close look at the education system in Germany would be a good start . A little too simple and without political advantage I guess for the Harperites in Ottawa .
11:02 AM on 12/19/2012
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10:50 AM on 12/19/2012
150 resumes in 6 months, that is 25 a month, which is in my mind not enough leg work. No mention of posting resumes on job sites, no mention of working with head hunters etc. I just went to Workopolis and looked at Design Engineer Jobs as a sampling, there were 22 postings for DEC which is a slow month for postings. There are also 50 subcategories within Engineering, this would increase the number of openings considerably. Saying this, I call B.S. he wants the same level of job he had in China, that will not happen until he refines his English skills. Plain and simple, he is not a lazy man but he is not concentrating on looking for work, we all know it's a full time job looking for a full time job.
09:02 PM on 02/13/2014
Try 1800 that is what I sent since 2010.
10:48 AM on 12/19/2012
I can relate to this story I moved to Canada from the U.S. with MBA from an accredited state university and 6 years professional work experience in New Jersey. For next 7 years had to work in retail sales because I did not get a interview call for a job related to my educational credentials.

The two excuse cited 'You do not have Canadian experience' or You do not have Canadian education'

Now that I am employed in a position that meets my educational qualifications I am the only person with a MBA in my unit and when I see the quality of work and educational credentials it is clear that Race influences the hiring practices in Canada.

In Canada 'Racism' is subtle and the institutions have found creative ways to keep members of visible minorities out of professional jobs. For example job descriptions are written to favor a certain ethnic group. At times visible minorities are interviewed to meet the diversity guidelines ultimately they are disqualified on the above mentioned grounds and the job is offered to the person who fits the racial profile.
12:16 PM on 12/19/2012
Hi. What you say is interesting because it is coming from an American. I am just curious if you are Afro-American and that is the reason for being told your education and experience wasn't 'Canadian'.
12:19 PM on 12/19/2012
No I am South Asian.
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bujudunton
Everyone is entitled to my opinion
10:39 AM on 12/19/2012
Arthur Sweetman, a professor in the Department of Economics at McMaster University says : "But one thing we can also say is individuals from source countries do adapt. If the points [system] changes, people from country "X" who don't speak good English will put more effort into learning. But maybe that's putting the burden on the wrong place."

If this is "good" English from a Canadian Professor, I am surprised that our standards are so high for immigrants with skills that we can use.

I bet even Yin knew it should be "who don't speak English well". If we are going to raise the requirements for immigrants who are not native to the English language, should we not increase the requirements for those that are Canadian and use it as their native language?

Just saying..
11:22 AM on 12/19/2012
"who don't speak good English" while uncomfortable on the ear and a bit less formal, is also grammatically correct.
11:25 AM on 12/19/2012
Yes. One must always exercise extreme care when criticizing another's grammar on the Internet. ;)
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DeceitinDrugs
10:39 AM on 12/19/2012
Why move to Canada, when you had a "celebrated
career in China?"

That is the risk, one takes.

It is not just abou skilled immigrants, but, people in their own
homeland looking for a position, in their field of training.

So, all he can do, now, is sell porn in a convenience store?
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eileeneleanor
10:35 AM on 12/19/2012
Professions are employment schemes to keep the numbers down and their incomes up.
The insiders will use every trick to achieve these goals.
All the rest is BS.
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ArborialBiped
There is no spoon. But there's a spork.
10:31 AM on 12/19/2012
To the haters:

I didn't see anything about you "owing" Mr. Yin anything, nor is he asking for a handout. In my experience, such convenience shop owners work 17-hour days, their kids study hard (and excel in the Computer Science courses I used to teach at one of Canada's top universities, for example).

He simply wants to apply the extensive education and experience -- that Canadians didn't even have to pay for(!) -- to contribute meaningfully to Canadian technological and economic success.

The article was about whether our current immigration policies and hiring practices are doing a good job of getting the most out of our human capital. Seems the answer is "no".

But I guess people read into articles whatever supports their preconceived biases and fears.
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Cael
11:06 AM on 12/19/2012
"He simply wants to apply the extensive education and experience -- that Canadians didn't even have to pay for(!) -- to contribute meaningfully to Canadian technological and economic success"

What? I didn't have to pay for my extensive education and experience? Did I imagine my 10 years of debt paying back for that education?
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ArborialBiped
There is no spoon. But there's a spork.
11:29 AM on 12/19/2012
It was clear that I meant we didn't have to pay for HIS education and experience -- he got it in China and Japan, and we can benefit from it.
11:20 AM on 12/19/2012
I agree wholeheartedly with your comment , but I do think that many people are fearful that immigrants will take the jobs that they see should be going to Canadians . What we really should be doing is spending the money to educate people in the skills we need . I am concerned that we allow too much freedom of choice by students in the careers they choose to study for , rather than steering them into things for which they are suited .

From what I have read , the Germans as an example , spend a considerable amount of funds and time in determining and streaming students into careers and jobs that are needed and for which they are suited .

From my experience , I did a degree after retiring , many of the students I came in contact with were in school because their parents wanted them to be their and they did not have a clue as to what their prospects were for jobs on graduation . What a waste of time and money . The results are easily seen with people who have degrees serving coffee at Starbucks or jobs like that .
10:26 AM on 12/19/2012
What the hell are you suggesting we do? find a cushy job for every immigrant that comes here?
11:28 AM on 12/19/2012
I am sure that is not the point of the comment , but we do nothing to make some of these people understand that they must be fully comfortable in using the English language and in what they face by undertaking such a big move . I do agree with comment especially about the waste of talent that could be used to make economic conditions better in Canada . A cursory investigation of most immigrant families would show , by and large , that their sons and daughters become good productive citizens .
09:02 PM on 02/13/2014
We have 2.8 million unemployed now.
10:24 AM on 12/19/2012
Poor guy couldn't get a job in his field, sucks, but he's still a business owner. A lot of home grown Canadians would be so lucky.
11:29 AM on 12/19/2012
A lot of homegrown Canadians don't have the balls to get off their butts and find work too .
11:36 AM on 12/19/2012
There is certainly some truth to that but I know a lot of hard working Canadians that are working dead end minimum wage jobs that can't find decent or meaningful work. Canadian citizens should have priority over immigrants. Having said that if they choose to squander their opportunity then more power to the immigrants that are here and willing...
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turkeylurky
Just keeping it real.
10:24 AM on 12/19/2012
Sounds to me like Kenney and the Conservatives are making much needed changes to the immigration system.
Good on them. They continue to make progressive changes which are good for Canada and immigrants.
10:19 AM on 12/19/2012
my daughter was in grade school with a girl who had two parents that were trained pharmacists neither of them could find employment in their fields and ended up back in Egypt where they were both employed upon arrival. They had a dream that they would be able to provide for their family and give them a higher standard of life.
There is a bias in this country both spoke English very well and were quite intelligent and educated but for some reason were never able to find employment in their field