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Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
09:46 PM on 12/18/2012
Jenny D is well known for her anti-gun agenda. This is just more of her propaganda.
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opprobrious
More speech. Less Flagging.
10:41 PM on 12/18/2012
Let's assume you're correct - that it is, in fact, propaganda. Has she got any of her facts wrong (as opposed to those she interviewed)? How about the facts of those she's interviewed? Is there a ban on these weapons? Is the Ruger Mini-14 a restricted weapon? Was it the primary weapon used at Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal or was it not? Do hunters use it out of necessity or out of convenience? Was hunting an impossible task before the invention of this class of weapons? Were these weapons originally designed for hunting or military purposes? So many questions.
12:25 AM on 12/19/2012
All guns were designed for military purposes
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Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
01:26 AM on 12/19/2012
The anti-gun slant of the article is quite obvious to an intelligent person. The best propaganda is a careful selection of facts to convey a one-sided opinion.
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
09:34 PM on 12/18/2012
On the 14th before the police announced it's an AR15, from the caliber I posted the following:

Commented Dec 14, 2012 at 14:43:01 in Crime
“.223 sounds like a military grade AR15 assault rifle.”

the .223 or 5.56 mm are for the NATO soldiers specifically, but they sell modified assault rifles in the semi-auto mode for the general public, it's a long jacket but very small bullet, very deadly since most people who own these rifles use military steel base pointy bullets made to injure with a long range.

It can fire the entire magazine without heating up or jamming, more accurate than the AK family and very light especially if it has a folding stock can be concealed under a coat.
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opprobrious
More speech. Less Flagging.
10:42 PM on 12/18/2012
You're referring to the Bushmaster, right?
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
11:20 PM on 12/18/2012
The AR15 is manufactured by many companies, one of them is Bushmaster, also Colt and many others, Armalite was the original manufacturer for the Military.
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Douglas Sinclair
Phi Zappa Krappa
11:22 PM on 12/18/2012
...hollow point bullets are good for game shooting too I guess, especially if you're not the one who has to clean the lead out of the meat before you eat it...yum
12:03 AM on 12/19/2012
The reason for hollow point - although I'm not even sure if they're legal in Canada - or soft point vs. hard point hunters learn in our training classes.

A rifle could should a bullet pretty far - several kms. If you have a hard point - nothing will stop it. it will go through almost everything. So as hunters & even police, you want soft point - they will distort on contact, make a large wound & are more lethal. As hunters, you want the animal to die as quickly as possible.

Whne police fire, they don't want their bullets going down the street - additional casualties. When they pull their guns - it's to kill - that's reality. They are not good enough shots [few are] to shoot at an arm or leg - that's for the movies.

Typically the bullets do not break apart & you can find it. Sometimes it goes through.
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
12:06 AM on 12/19/2012
Lead is used for hunting because it makes a very large hole so the animal would not suffer, but steel bullets are for military use to carry the bullet much farther and disable the enemy more than wipe him out . and by the way, lead in hunting would not leave shrapnel, only shot shells leaves pellets.
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
09:26 PM on 12/18/2012
Yes, this weapon is restricted in Canada and only collectors can buy it, sorry to disappoint you H.P.

I am a collector and have a Colt AR15,.223 brand new, was manufactured semi-auto and no, you can not go hunting with it as it is restricted .
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robertm64092855
life is fun.
10:09 PM on 12/18/2012
SO why have it?
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
10:42 PM on 12/18/2012
I collect military weapons, I use them at the shooting clubs and competitions.
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Cantoffie
"My cup runeth over with blood and not wine"
10:49 PM on 12/18/2012
I shoot and I'm as much as a Liberal hippy as it gets. Nobody has ever been injured in or outside our club by anyone in the club.

nothing disgusting about that?
10:13 PM on 12/18/2012
Ask yourself: "What, exactly, am I collecting?" And honest answer might disgust you.
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
10:41 PM on 12/18/2012
I used to collect stamps when I was a kid, I did not enjoy it, I prefer guns. and no it does not disgust me.
09:24 PM on 12/18/2012
The limit of the magazine to 5 rounds is substantial in taking away the "assault rifle" status. Assault rifle are typically a lower muzzle velocity than most hunting rifles.
Although they look scarier than hunting rifle, are actually less powerful [typically]. They also use fairly standard ammunition.

As for the Austrailian rates, I looked at the numbers. Their murder has dropped slightly - but only after it jumped the following year - it took until 2003 to get back to 1996 levels. Same with suicides, they dropped slowly as well.

The drop was consistent with the trend already happening - also happening in Canada & even the US over the past 20 or 30 years.

Despite the focus on guns, the gun is only part of the equation. Proper review & scrutiny of owners & renewals is critical to establishing who should have guns, I don't mind a renewal every 5 years or the additional review.

In evaluating gun laws, one must also consider the culture, the social safety net & support systems. Canada should review its gun laws regularly - we owe that to citizens to ensure a safe country.

But Canada should also review it's support services for spousal abuse, community outreach, mental health services, social services.

Comprehensive gun safety is not based on one factor alone. Crime is a complex problem requiring complex solutions.

We need an adult discussion that truly takes imput from all sides.
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Douglas Sinclair
Phi Zappa Krappa
11:17 PM on 12/18/2012
Do you think we need a registry?
11:46 PM on 12/18/2012
I think there are much better ways to reduce gun crime. I have always said the review & scrutiny are best. Better review around those with mental illness. Better community support for spousal abuse. I read a spousal abuse study with guns. Most of the owner's guns were not registered [80%] - most of them didn't even have licenses [67%] - the LGR does nothing for these cases.  It was small study but shows the limitation of the LGR. Those that will commit crime with thweir guns, won't follow laws. We need ways to weed them out & enforce gun removal from the home/support for the family. Again - no easy answers.  
08:55 PM on 12/18/2012
Canada limits magazine capacity to 5 rounds for guns above .22 caliber. As a licensed gun owner my view is that if you ban high capacity magazines it does not really make any difference whether the firearm is semi-automatic or not, particularly in the mass murder situation. For example, a lever action Marline .44 will hold 11 rounds with one in the chamber. Similarly, a Remington 12 gauge pump gun will hold 8 shotgun shells or slugs. A full load of ammunition from either one of those weapons can probably be discharged in about the same amount of time as it takes to empty a 5 round magazine from a semi-automatic, reload, and fire again.

People who do not know much about firearms often get hysterical when they hear the words "semi-automatic" or "assault rifle". It is the function of the weapon which counts. So called "assault rifles" may look scary but they are not much, if any, more dangerous than a hunting rifle which can bring down a deer.
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Scoville Scale
Canadian Contrarian
09:03 PM on 12/18/2012
Then why have them?
10:56 PM on 12/18/2012
where do you live?----are you a town or country person?---non city folk who live in the 'back country' or 'deep forest' or tend 'large ranches that have livestock' NEED
'rifles' to protect themselves----it's better than becoming 'another kill'--that is human--'predators' LOVE human 'kills' and will hunt them above all other animals.

Recreational hunting is a recognized 'sport' and REQUIRES getting one of a very restricted number of 'tags' for each species being hunted and in 'season'

That's why we have them
11:08 PM on 12/18/2012
recreation, target shooting. I know a lot of people in the police force and military that shoot restricted weapons at civilian ranges because they don't think they get enough practise at work.
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Scrappysmith
09:24 PM on 12/18/2012
Follow through on the refference to the UK & Australian Semi-Auto Bans & you'll find they didn't stop there but banned pump action rifles & shotguns too garyg210!

Never saw anyhting on the lever action but I bet they got it too.
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AlWaterloo
08:52 PM on 12/18/2012
"it's not the guns. It's the people"
If that's true we should be able to buy whatever we want. Maybe a surface to air missile, because missiles don't kill people, people kill people.

Thanks Homer
09:34 PM on 12/18/2012
Way to blow things out of proportion. Its like saying if i can drink alcohol why the hell cant i drink and drive.

Unless you weren't aware Guns are inanimate objects. Unless you personally ever saw a gun flying around shooting people i don't see why you should be afraid of guns.

Mentally healthy people dont go on shooting sprees. Its cheaper and easier to get a handgun ar15 and a few other guns then go see a doctor and get help for your mental illness.

You don't need a RPG or a surface to air-missle. Theres no proper civilian use for them. Surface to air missle hunting? Surface to air missle target shooting.

The discussion is about should we ban a firearm because its been used in a mass shooting although it still is no different then any other firearm.

We need more mental health funding that's it.
10:16 PM on 12/18/2012
Mentally healthy people don't need guns to make them feel mentally healthy. It's a false sense anyway.
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opprobrious
More speech. Less Flagging.
10:44 PM on 12/18/2012
Why blow things out of proportion when you can use the weapons you defend to dislodge a child's brain from its case?
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robertm64092855
life is fun.
08:37 PM on 12/18/2012
So to all those comments about assault rifles being banned, you now have your answer,Thanks to the harper gang, they are not.
08:41 PM on 12/18/2012
Assault rifles are banned, the rifle above is semi-automatic.
09:36 PM on 12/18/2012
Assault weapons are banned an Assault weapon is a fully automatic firearm. They are not legal.

I hope you understand that the cosmetics of a firearm do not make it anymore dangerous or powerfull then a "hunting rifle"

Harper could of removed all licensing process if he wanted he didn't.
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Shahanshah
Liberalism is destroying western civilization
08:04 PM on 12/18/2012
Why do liberals and liberal papers have no understanding of the gun laws in Canada?

is it propaganda, or are you actually this clueless?

this is a RESTRICTED WEAPON.

which means

1. It's almost impossible to buy, it would take months and months of classes, safety courses and mental evaluations.

2. the people that DO own this weapon (that can hold only 5 bullets at a time) have to keep it UNLOADED, LOCKED in a safe, and they CANNOT USE IT AGAINST ANOTHER PERSON LEGALLY PERIOD.

stop trying to take away Canadian rights!!!!
08:34 PM on 12/18/2012
I don't think it's Liberal vs Conservative in terms of not knowing Canadian Law. It is a US publication, need I say more.
08:39 PM on 12/18/2012
The firearm above is a Ruger Mini-14 with a folding stock and is non-restricted in Canada
07:59 PM on 12/18/2012
We can never be totally safe, but Canadian laws as they stand now seem to balance public safety with the freedom to engage in subsistence and recreational activities tied to firearms. I think any greater safety needs to come from improved security with Canadian border Services, improved care for people with mental disorders, and improved monitoring of bullying in schools.
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Scrappysmith
09:26 PM on 12/18/2012
& banning hand guns as well as semi-autos
12:34 AM on 12/19/2012
No, I think the laws as they exist in Canada are adequate.
09:55 PM on 12/18/2012
The "balance" part in public safety is not nearly as close as you may think...For every gun law that is enforced, three lawyers can swindle some kind of snake oil into the justice system for leniency for the crime and it works many times...A high ranking chief of police from a quite big Ontario town, told me that....its not the Laws that are written but the weak justice system that needs a looking at...as for my opinion, getting caught with a weapon, In other than a hunting outing or sport shooting use, should land you a 10 year mandatory sentence...that means-all 10 years,not 2months if you're good and go to church. The rest of your comment I agree with, but why do we debate this for another hundred years-when do we do something about it?
10:36 PM on 12/18/2012
That's enforcement and not the laws themselves though.