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08:22 PM on 12/27/2012
i dont know why the harper govt doesnt throw a little cash at this problem.i mean really,how much would a carpenter charge to come and patch up the hole in the side of your house where the horse gets water.in the winter time horses can eat snow.friggin conservatives........
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Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
02:54 AM on 12/28/2012
They got enough money but chose not to spend it on some people in their community. The Chiefs and Councilors can sell their new SUVs if they need funds to help those they choose to neglect.
03:17 AM on 12/28/2012
ya its not uncommon to see brand new vehicles parked all over the place.
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08:10 PM on 12/27/2012
Pam Palmater's comments:

Based on the facts to date, Chief Spence has never refused a meeting with Minister Duncan, Minister Duncan has refused to go and visit her. He knows where she is, everyone does! Chiefs, grassroots people, actors, Members of Parliament, and the media have all been to visit her on Victoria Island. He could have gone to see her any time. He chooses not to and instead tries contacting her band which she is not there, or makes public calls when she does not have a TV in her teepee. These are all performances, not any real effort.

I think just about every First Nation in Canada would understand why Chief Spence would refuse to meet with Senator Brazeau. Most First Nations consider him to be a “traitor” – many have argued that he used his position as former President of the Congress of Aboriginal Peoples to very publicly condemn First Nations and win favour with the Conservatives and then got Senate seat for his efforts.

Many feel that he has used his Senate seat to actively work against First Nations and publicly disrespect the First Nations leaders and experts that appear before Senate to testify. Specifically to Chief Spence, Brazeau has been publicly critical of her hunger strike, saying she is setting a bad example and thus I am not surprised at all if her security refused to let him in.
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08:05 PM on 12/27/2012
All those suddenly concerned with the fiscal situation on reservations and how First Nations leaders live in luxury need to be reminded that both the leader of the party in power and leader of the opposition party as well as the Governor General live in taxpayer funded mansions all the while there are many Canadians struggling to pay for their mortgage or rent. Not to mention the numerous homeless now living in large Canadian cities.
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08:35 PM on 12/27/2012
ha, yea but there first nations , right!! great great point torrent !! :)
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Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
02:57 AM on 12/28/2012
They are the Government of Canada, it comes with the job. They're not Chiefs on some small reserve caught up in an overblown sense of self importance.
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07:41 AM on 12/28/2012
The existence of First Nations predates Canada's by a long shot. Canada is a baby compared to how long First Nations have been on this land. 
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Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
07:50 PM on 12/27/2012
If aboriginal leaders choose to live in relative luxury while so many of their people live in 3rd world squalor, then it's not my concern. They make the choices that hurt their people, not me.

It's only my concern when they come asking for more money, supposedly to care for the people they choose to neglect.
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08:43 PM on 12/27/2012
Where do you get your info? And since when is being poor a requirement for being FN? I am forever surprised by the ignorance of cdns when it comes to any issue of substance...silly me...
10:25 PM on 12/27/2012
Treena, since he said 'if' in front of his statement, I think he was just saying that is his opinion ... if that was the case. I don't think this was this case on Chief Spence's reserve, but I am not certain. I think they are affected a lot by high costs up north, by the flood in 2009, and I also note in their budget that they have a second revenue stream, which means they are not just counting on 'cheques from the government' as many whites would accuse them. With the last name Metallic, I am assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that you are Mi'kmaw. You know that, on some of our reserves, there are 'leaders' who take high salaries, have second homes, drive exceedingly nice cars, while a percentage of the people on their reserve live in squalor. People are allowed to do well, on and off of reserve. But when Chiefs and council members take high salaries and many honorariums, and trips to far parts of the world to 'study' the conditions of aborginals in other countries, whole they cry out that Canada must do something to help their people, it is very frustrating to those on that reserve, as well as to those that are off-reserve.
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Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
02:18 AM on 12/28/2012
point missed.  try again.
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07:11 PM on 12/27/2012
She looks like she has been prosperous over the years.
10:44 PM on 12/27/2012
As someone mentioned in a previous post, empty calories are more plentiful in the north than, say, fresh produce. The same can be said of white southerners in the U.S. High welfare rate, and high obesity rate. Because junk food is less expensive than fresh produce.
07:08 PM on 12/27/2012
I don't hate First Nations People. I LOVE many first nations people ... my family is largely composed of them. I understand a number of first nations concerns, and understand enough to know that they are so complex I can't possibly understand them all. But a hunger strike is a manipulation. What if someone else resolved to go on until hunger strike and die if Stephen Harper *does* go to visit Chief Spence? Then what is the prime minister to do? The prime minister must make a lot of decisions, some popular, some not popular. There are some issues in Bill C45 that concern First Nations, and there are some in there that should concern us all. BUT sometimes government has to make unpopular decisions. And the issues between Chief Spence and her tribe and the government of Canada are complex, and cannot be resolved by *any* symbolic gesture, be that a 'hunger strike' (she is subsisting on soup and tea) or a hollow visit by a single white man, even if he is prime minister.
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07:12 PM on 12/27/2012
Satyagraha will win in the end over the social violence of the neo-liberals.
09:04 PM on 12/27/2012
It's the unwillingness even to talk that's the real problem, because as a First Nations spokesperson, Chief Spence deserves Harper's respect. This "my way or the highway" attitude has no place in a democracy. Behind this problem, and the reason for Harper's bad behaviour, is that he's protecting Big Oil.
10:34 PM on 12/27/2012
auntbeulah, there is *that*, I will grant you. But please don't be fooled by the word Chief. Chief does not equal Prime Minister. A Chief is often the leader of a small band (mine about 200 people). Chief Spence is Chief of approx 1500 on-reserve natives, or 2000+ off-reserve natives. So it is more like the mayor of a small town demanding to see the Prime Minister. If FN National Chief Shawn A-in-chut Atleo were to ask to see the Prime Minister, or go on a hunger strike in order to get Harper's attention, I would see that as a much greater injustice. Does Harper have the obligation to meet with every mayor of a small town that insists? I don't really know. Does he have an obligation to meet with every mayor of a small town that has had a major flood, displaced persons, and been in crisis since 2009? Perhaps. Or perhaps he has an obligation to send someone to look after it. I'm not certain. I'm not certain I think the blackmail of a hunger strike is the way to go, but it certainly get the attention of a lot of us, and when all of us learn a little more about what goes on with our neighbours, that is probably a good thing.
06:15 PM on 12/27/2012
I have to ask,and please be honest, no ongoing diatribes on the "handouts" or "compensations" past or present! think long and hard about it. why do you hate Chief Theresa Spence, and First Nations people? what is it about First Nations people that really get you going to spew such hate. Do you just love to hate? What have these people really taken from you the epitome of Canadian pride! I don't see you suffering from a lack of education, I don't see you suffering from lack of clean water.hell I don't even see a majority of you begging out on the street corner for your next meal (or bottle), oh wait, I have because I have spared some change to the newfie who moved here to the big city with big dreams, I also gave some change to the anglo boy who holds firmly in his beliefs that he shouldn't have to contribute to society!, and it never surprises me, only makes me wonder how the media would rather spotlight everything that is wrong with being First Nations in Canada. could this be why you think the way you do? or is it just that you really do love to hate! btw I am First Nations, and I have an awesome job, teaching you non natives to move past your ignorance and really know who and what we are about, not just hearsay!
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06:55 PM on 12/27/2012
I'd probably chill on the whole "hate" thing. I'm not sure anyone hates anyone. You can't hate someone you don't know. Perceptions come from what we read, what we hear, what we see. We still have a paternalistic attitude towards NP in Canada, and most people don't understand the concept of reserves or why NP don't pay taxes on things, and why so many appear to be on welfare, why such low employment rates, high suicide rates, high substance abuse rates...etc. That's what people hear about. Many people do not understand why NP don't pay taxes. Yes, there is a card, and yes, it is used everywhere where I grew up. People resent that. It really has nothing to do with hate. It's a sense of injustice. People think, why do I have to pay taxes and they don't? What is the rationale for that, today, in 2012? Especially when these taxes are seemingly misspent. It would be great to be hearing wonderful things--CBC radio has excellent programs focusing on NP issues. There needs to be more focus on what is positive from your community--it has to come from your people.

I'm glad you're teaching what you're teaching, but I would say that pitting one against another is not really a profitable exercise. We're beyond that. Don't assume it's hatred: assume it's lack of understanding.
02:54 AM on 12/28/2012
as you are well aware, I was over the 750 word limit so I did have to shorten it down, but my intent wasn't just the focus on hate, I truly believe that hate does equal ignorance, you cannot simply state that you "hate" spaghetti. one has to try it in order to say that you hate it. gotta luv metaphores, anyhoo...I was always taught that you best know the full meaning, understanding and implications before you can say the word "hate'. on the other hand, If I did come across a post by a person who fully understood the hi"story" of what is at hand, then perhaps most would gauge of what is happening, not with just the First Nations, but across the board as well!
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07:08 PM on 12/27/2012
My apologies biish. While I lived on the prairies and had two long term relationships with First Nation gentlemen, I have a better understanding than those who have no first hand experience with your lovely and spiritual brothers and sisters. While I have much respect for you, I can not have respect for Chief Spence. I think a lot of us have a bad taste in our mouths after seeing how she misspent her reservations' money while giving herself, her relatives and band council members a large piece of the pie. Fairness was not seen. People on her reserve were forced to live in squalor which is a shame and unforgiveable considering how much money was given. While I support the movement, I can not support her. Good luck with getting out the important info and support you so need!
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07:50 PM on 12/27/2012
You clearly know nothing about Chief Spence. THere was an audit with no proof of mis spending.
06:01 PM on 12/27/2012
Seems a shame that someone has to sacrifice their life to show what a terrible PM and Federal Conservative government we have in place.

But if that is what it takes...

She should be sainted not by the Pope, but by the rest of Canada: I am sure that her death will be the 'nail in the coffin' not for her, but for this most terrible money grabbing, short sighted, pathetic and self serving federal 'Conservative' government.

PM Harper certainly does not speak for most Canadians, and now it is most apparent, definitely not for the First Nations.
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07:03 PM on 12/27/2012
Your comments reflect a person who is exasperated, and a disappointed in your outlook in life. Your life must be full of anxieties and frustrations!

What shame ? Life is about choices. Sometime you make good ones and sometimes you make poor ones, but in all, it is still your choice.
The last time I looked it was not against the law to commit suicide.
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07:14 PM on 12/27/2012
There are people in this contry who have not been given many choices in life. You can read about it--or go visit a northern community. See how much food costs. Or how the education and housing is. Do you have clean water, street lights, public transportation, variety of food at decent prices? THey do not.
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07:16 PM on 12/27/2012
Funny you mention choices, Henk …

In a neo-liberal state choices are tightly restricted to whatever hamstrings the commons and advantages the fortunate and the privileged. Mr Harper-and-his-ilk's neo-liberal values are not democratic values.
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05:04 PM on 12/27/2012
She's going to get lout of this slim and healthier. Nice trick win win situation.
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05:01 PM on 12/27/2012
It would be really, really nice if some of the very wealthy bands in Canada ( i.e. gas/oil/mineral rights payments, etc. ) would help correct matters on the reserves of their fellow native first nations bands, what goes, can't they help their own?? Never heard of it happening once, if it has happened it would have been front page news around Canada! Hey, you natives who have made out really well financially, get at it and HELP YOUR OWN !!
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04:38 PM on 12/27/2012
As much as I despise Harper I think he's right in not giving in to blackmail.
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06:47 PM on 12/27/2012
Harper refuses to meet with the Primers- is that 'blackmail' too ?
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03:54 PM on 12/27/2012
26 years ago I looked at the tax and duties on cigarettes. I wrote to what is now Revenue Canada and asked why I don't have a say in how those taxes are spent. I received nothing but gibberish regarding talking to my elected representatives back. I represented all the smokers in my household, my entire nation! I became so frustrated that I demanded an immediate meeting with the Prime Minister and went on a cigarette fast to press my demands. So far he is ignoring me but I am willing to light up again if he will bend. I call upon Chief Spence and the first nation's people to put aside tobacco in protest. Stop using tobacco, selling tobacco, or allowing the transit of tobacco upon our lands. Join with me and perhaps we will together finally bring the government to it's knees.
03:28 PM on 12/27/2012
The final stage of dehydration is shock. This is characterized by blue-gray skin that's cold to the touch. A severe drop in blood pressure produces this coolness.

Now back to the question at hand. How long can you go without water? Assuming you're in reasonable shape and in ideal conditions -- that is, not in the heat or cold and not exerting, a human can probably live for about 3 to 5 days without any water. Healthier humans can live another day or so longer.
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Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
03:33 PM on 12/27/2012
She is not going without water, she eats soup.
03:38 PM on 12/27/2012
Then how the hell can you call this a hunger strike.
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04:26 PM on 12/27/2012
she drinks fish broth
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03:12 PM on 12/27/2012
This woman was wronged by the Harper Clan & made to look as a criminal perpatrating some sort of FRAUD on her First Nation.

One would think Mr. Harper would have learned a lesson in the manor he treated Helena Gouergis- but obliviously he didn't, or if he di it came @ great public cost in the Courts & was admittedly the wrong one?

I wish Ms. Spence well & I too support her effort to shed light on the plight of her First Nation, however it will be a struggle for a small Band Chief to meet with a Prime Minister harbouring such a sense of entitlement & so arrogant that he won't even meet with the Ten bloody Premiers when called upon to discuss the failing Healthcare System of this Country.
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06:54 PM on 12/27/2012
Harper wronged me also! I don't want to pay taxes, so I guess I will go on a hunger strike!