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04:59 PM on 01/17/2013
What a perfect topic to allow Lefters a chance to re-energize their fervor for nationalizing everything.

Even perfect Norway has it's millionaires and billionaires and a disgruntled class that just can't keep up.
05:50 PM on 01/17/2013
You are obviously speaking from personal experience, having lived in Norway for a number of years yourself.

Top 3 happiest countries in the world:

2) Denmark
3) Sweden

Wait minute! Aren't those terrible socialist countries filled to the brim with lazy, hopeless whiners? One of the lowest income gaps in the world and the happiest in the world. Hmmmm.....
07:27 PM on 01/17/2013
Every country has an EternallyMiserableClass, just like the one you belong to here.
11:49 PM on 01/17/2013
Well said, however I am sure you know about their tax structure.
04:48 PM on 01/17/2013
NORWAY NORWAY NORWAY thank you fellow citizens of earth hope the people listen....
05:19 PM on 01/17/2013
Next, we'll hear that Norway's oil is as pure and clean as a mountain stream and makes a refreshing beverage.
06:26 PM on 01/17/2013
I believe that you are the only one here saying that.
04:48 PM on 01/17/2013
The corporations will tell you what's good for you and the country.
Our is not to question why but rather to get it out of the ground
as fast as possible and not ask questions.
05:04 PM on 01/17/2013
I imagine Norway has plenty of people who would echo exactly the same sentiments.
truth can't be bought, but lies sure can be sold..
10:14 PM on 01/17/2013
yeah but in their case they actually own it and profit from it and aren't in the business of giving it away (or justifying giving it away, as you do)
04:45 PM on 01/17/2013
Norway nearing a $1 Trillion Surplus, Canada a $600+ billion deficit. Damn those job killing Norwegian socialist policies. When we reach $1 trillion in debt it will be because of Conservative economic policies. While facts and math seem to be a difficult concept for the Conservative mind, maybe you might want to look up from your dogmatic approach to governance before you sentence our children to economic jail.
Peter Burgess1
04:50 PM on 01/17/2013
Just a reminder that Norway produces 3 times as much oil and 5 times as much natural gas but has a population that' s 1/6th ours.

It is dangerous to compare nations, let alone nations to provinces of other nations.
05:04 PM on 01/17/2013
Details Peter, please. Why is it dangerous? It's very easy to make sweeping, lofty comments with statistics about population and production outputs and then say it's dangerous.
Just WHY is that? Are you saying we shouldn't learn from their experiences? Can we not benefit from those principles that have made them wealthy?
Details Peter. You seem to know so much, explain this leap of logic you've laid out to us.
05:09 PM on 01/17/2013
Norway is moving in the right direction obviously Alberta, and Canada is not. We may not be able to make as much money as Norway but would think that Alberta of all places would have a budget surplus.
King Stevie Harper
04:42 PM on 01/17/2013
Pierre Trudeau was right in the first place the oil and gas industry should be nationalized for the sake of the nation, not privatized for the profit of foreigh "investors"
05:08 PM on 01/17/2013
So why didn't he seize all natural resource wealth from the provinces?
06:43 PM on 01/17/2013
That was NOT his plan. Only, the corporations and Alberta oil patch people got their shorts in an over- tight knot. I remember in circa1984, oil corps took out $90,000 a wkly ads in Newsweek and Time threatening the end of the world if NEP and Petro Can succeeded.
If NEP was flawed, Alberta did not provide any alternative. I think the U.S. and the oil corps could not stand any national investment to compete with them, saying taxpayers have unfair advantage.
They could not do anything to S.Arabia, Iran, Norway with national ownership.
But Canada was a threat.
04:15 PM on 01/17/2013
This is column is absolutely dead on . Just think about what corporations , and their national bases , that are enjoying the immense profits derived from developing Canadian resources . The bulk of those profits should be staying in Canada .

Harper and his cohorts in Alberta want more of the same as well as continuing to give out subsidies and tax brakes . Sheer bloody nonsense ! Why the hell can we not learn from the experiences of other countries and put those lessons in force ?
06:47 PM on 01/17/2013
Now that Chinese and Malaysian national corps own oil operations in Canada, we should bring back Petro-Can II, and all other province should invest heavily in the oil patch. by the way, PetroCan made money for Canadians, IN SPITE of the bumper sticker "experts"!
09:18 AM on 01/18/2013
One of the major change should be to stop all subsidies then taxing those coporations to the point that all profits are at least shared 50/50 with Canada . The reason foreign corps want into our resources is to have control over the supply of same for their own industries and to take profit out of Canada . Our corporate tax structure is a joke .
04:06 PM on 01/17/2013
Sensible arguments, but that's not how our country works.

Our country was founded on the assumption that it was an empty place, waiting for hardworking people to come and pull as much wealth from the ground as they could. Natives have been going through this for a couple centuries now; capitalists have come into their lands (often without permission, esp. in BC), have taken what they want, given a small percent to the local people and left a giant mess that affects the long-term health of the region. Now the Canadian public is in a similar situation; we've been here for many generations, plan on being here for many more, and most of us are justifiably concerned about the long-term economic and environmental sustainability of our resources.

Why don't we start with some baby steps hm? We give around 1.4 billion in subsidies to fossil fuel companies per year, meanwhile we've put aside around 1.4 billion for the next 10 years in our climate action plan. Of course it doesn't help that our current government thinks climate change will actually improve the Canadian economy (I don't think any of them understand the basics of science.)

It hardly seems we live on the same planet as Norway (unfortunately for them we do.)
04:49 PM on 01/17/2013
blah blah blah ....blah blah blah ...
i'm a rich person and want it to stay that way
06:49 PM on 01/17/2013
I am not rich either, blah, blah....please offer alternatives.
Common sense is not so common.
04:54 PM on 01/17/2013
The first thing we have to do as a nation is put a government in power that is aware of what is going on with climate change and what we need to do to combat it. As it is now, our ruling regime is so deep in denial about science and facts that we have no hope with these dinosaurs running our country. Far too many of the CONS that had been sent to Ottawa in the last election still believe the dinosaurs walked the earth just 6000 years ago with people!! How do you even begin to combat that kind of ignorance and stupidity?!
03:53 PM on 01/17/2013
If Quebec had Alberta's oil, they'd have been outta here decades ago and I wouldn't blame them.

As it is, Alberta is paying them to stay.
The world has gone completely mad.
03:58 PM on 01/17/2013
Quebec has up to ~70 billion barrels of oil in Old Harry / Anticosti / Gaspé.

04:01 PM on 01/17/2013
If it was easily drained from the ground, there wouldn't be any left, by now.
Peter Burgess1
03:58 PM on 01/17/2013
03:48 PM on 01/17/2013
True...but then again this country has been pretty good lately at being a sell out...otherwise we'd be processing the oil ourselves...instead of simply selling out all of our natural resources (which is rather short sited) we need to refine and manufacture more here...keep the money in Canada.
03:41 PM on 01/17/2013
But then how is HARPERS WIFE AND FAMILY AND FREINDS Supposed to Pocket the Billions that they are hiding and Collecting ILLEGALLY---Cant do it the right way---Thats not Harper---STEALING AND SCREWING CANADIANS IS THE HARPER WAY TO DO THINGS---
04:51 PM on 01/17/2013
i think an epsidoe of bugs bunny , daffy duck and road runner is required before any viewing of anything harper...its only way i can be done with laughing
06:53 PM on 01/17/2013
I am not a Harper fan but I am sure he and his are not stealing us blind. But the CNOOC and PetroBras is not building up my confidence. We have to fight American ideology that threatens us if our nation invests in resource extraction.
Peter Burgess1
03:39 PM on 01/17/2013
It's hilarious how everyone here wants to nationalize Alberta's resources but they scream and flail when it comes to a pipeline to the coast or the Keystone pipeline.

They want the money they just don't want the responsiblity or to support Alberta in any way in the endevour.
Tony Pepperoni
Where did all the good Republicans go?
04:17 PM on 01/17/2013
It's the other way around. Alberta wants to keep the money, but doesn't understand why a neighboring province tells them to stuff it when they ask to run their oil to their port, which they lack, and offer nothing in return.
Peter Burgess1
04:18 PM on 01/17/2013
Offer nothing in return? If you don't understand the basics of the issue then don't comment on it.
06:58 PM on 01/17/2013
BC runs about $90 billion of imports to the East thru Alberta, will BC pay us a Transmission tax? We run our affairs differently. Canadian provinces still have a long way to go to build effective inter-provincial free trade.
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03:34 PM on 01/17/2013
There is nothing "cool" about this!
03:27 PM on 01/17/2013
Will never happen in Canada we are NOT Venezuela, where the government kicked out all their investors to the curve this is one of the most ridiculous articles to come yet
03:46 PM on 01/17/2013
The more controversial the topic, the more page-views and ad revenue for megaCorp HPAOL.
04:53 PM on 01/17/2013
and NORWAY isnt either never has been
oh well just keep saying it cant be done like that certain railway many years back , i bet you would have been one saying it cant be done back then too.
03:14 PM on 01/17/2013
The peeople who founded Norway was not raised on colonial milk of Human and resourse exploitation. Different mind set. They will never change , they are from the upstairs downstairs culture. Us and them And the thems striving to be in the us bracket.
The us striving to make them selves exclusive
04:53 PM on 01/17/2013
no there just 98 % catholics like harper but unlike him and his kind of catholic they actually care about there people
ya know instead of a photo op with some kids form a tv show i dunno HELP THE NATIVES...
Democracy really needs it's pillars to be defined
03:05 PM on 01/17/2013
Lol Canadian Government to actually represent the "people's" interests!?

Common, we all know that the government would rather represent only the interests of their business friends..

The people ask government to take down Canada's environmental laws....Omnibus bill c43:: hocus more environmental laws to hinder business. ;)
04:54 PM on 01/17/2013
then we need to change that then dont we....not hard we just have to stop electing liberals and conservatives a little bit
Democracy really needs it's pillars to be defined
05:31 PM on 01/17/2013
absolutely agree with you.

Hopefully, whoever replaces them takes the steps to really represent the people and empower them. :)