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If Politicians Won't Fix Healthcare, Maybe This Doctor Will

Posted: 08/21/2012 1:34 pm

Social and political theorist Isaiah Berlin once wrote: "Values may easily clash within the breast of a single individual. And it does not follow that some must be true and others false. Both liberty and equality are among the primary goals pursued by human beings through many centuries. But total liberty to wolves is death to the lambs."

That is the dilemma we face as a society over health care. Does our belief in, and desire to have, a public universal health care system conflict with our human and individual right to have timely access to the care we need if the system is not responsive? In essence, that is the question that will soon be again before the courts. In 2005, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that the Quebec government could not prevent private insurance for health-care procedures covered under Medicare. The court said that banning private insurance for services ranging from MRI tests to cataract surgery was unconstitutional, particularly since the public system has failed to guarantee timely access.

For decades, the health care debate in Canada has been polarized and divisive. Dogma and ideology have hijacked what should be a rational discussion on the best way to deliver health care to people that need it. Yet there has never been any middle ground permitted in discussion on how to create a responsive and sustainable healthcare system in Canada. It has been an all or nothing. You're either for Medicare and a universal public system, or against it. Because of that, all three political parties have pandered and avoided. They have irresponsibly punted the tough and substantial questions to the future.

The future is now. Dr. Brian Day, former president of the Canadian Medical Association, is forcing the issue. He is now CEO of the Cambie Surgical Centre in Vancouver, a private, for-profit hospital. We aren't supposed to have those in Canada, but we do. Everywhere. Why? Because there is a huge market demand for timely and quality health care that is not being met by the public system.

This business, and others like it, is filling it. The B.C. Medical Services Commission has ordered Day's facility to cease charging patients for services already offered in the public system. The Ministry of Health said the province would seek an injunction to enforce the order "shortly."

Day argues that a ban on private health care violates their democratic rights. "How are you going to argue that a 79-year-old cancer sufferer with terminal cancer should be forced to wait 18 months?" he said.

I don't like this idea -- at all. And I like even less the notion that rich people can access health care in Canada easily, while the middle class and working poor can't. These are the very people who not only can't afford private care, but also cannot afford to be without care. Most people have no clue that a parallel private hospital and health care system exists in Canada and has for many years.

But let's get personal for a moment. When it comes to the health of my family, no bureaucrat is going to tell me what to do. I will do what I must to ensure they are protected.
My wife and I have been customers at the False Creek Healthcare Centre, a private hospital in downtown Vancouver. It wasn't because we wanted to be. After all, like everyone else, we assumed that through our tax dollars, Medicare looked after all our health needs. That was wrong. Very wrong.

My wife had to have minor surgery performed and the wait list was 18 months. Although the condition was not life threatening, it certainly seriously eroded her quality of life. She couldn't wait for a procedure, and I wouldn't let her, even if she had wanted to. Another time, she injured herself and needed an MRI. That wait was at least six months. There was no way I was going to allow my wife to wait that long to see if she had any serious head injury.

I've been to False Creek, too. The pain I was suffering because of a hockey injury to my knee was excruciating. I had trouble sleeping at night, had to take painkillers and eventually needed a cane for short walks. Fixing it in the public system would have taken at least a year, and very likely much longer. I decided that I wasn't going to wait to get my knee fixed. I just couldn't. The pain was affecting everything -- my work, my sleep, and how I related to my family and others. I wasn't much fun to be around.

Within a week of the decision to pay for a surgical procedure, I was on the operating table. The problem was fixed, and with physiotherapy -- also expensive and not covered by Medicare -- I was fine within six weeks.

My very first exposure to the "two-tier" health system in Canada was in 1992. I had just become vice president of a large and publicly listed, Montreal-based corporation and was told that I was required to undergo an annual medical physical examination. The company had an arrangement with the late Dr. Abe Mayman, a wonderful and highly respected GP. A full work-up with Dr. Mayman that took at least five hours cost about $1,000. If I had a problem, or if I had to see a specialist, it was arranged by Abe's assistant virtually immediately. The care I received was always first rate and I never waited. The company paid for this service. While I was pleased to benefit from it, I had no idea that these private set-ups even existed.

After Abe retired, my company switched to Medysis, another private clinic operating in Montreal. They performed the same services, were equally competent and cost about the same. Their offices were in a nearby office tower in downtown Montreal. The facilities were spotless and equipment state-of-the art. Staff was always pleasant and treated you as if you were in a spa. If you're appointment was at 8:00am, that's when you were ushered in to begin your check-up. When we in arrived in Vancouver a decade ago, we couldn't find a family doctor, so I looked up Medysis, saw that they had an office here, and I've been there ever since. So I've been paying for private health care for more than 20 years now.

I have been doing that because the nonsense that politicians feed us that, "Canada has the best healthcare system in the world" is a lie and a cruel joke. Unless you have a life-threatening condition, you go on a waiting list. Equipment is far from state of the art, doctors and nurses are in short supply, hospitals are grungy and crowded and staffs are stressed to the limit.

There is a distinction between the "system" and the people within it. In all my experiences with our health care system in Canada -- good and bad -- I have never once encountered gross incompetence, negligence or lack of caring. Doctors, nurses, volunteers and staff have generally been incredibly kind, compassionate, generous and warm. How could they be anything but? They have dedicated their lives to helping people through some of the most difficult and painful episodes of their existence as human beings. Our broken system is not their fault; they are simply coping the best they can within it. And like our public school teachers, we ask much of them.

In 2006, my 72-year-old mother died of lung cancer. Her diagnosis came in December of 2005. She had not been able to find a family doctor to quarterback and co-ordinate her treatments. She was shuffled from one hospital to another seeing specialists, taken by my then-80-year-old father, because my brothers and sister live hundreds -- and in my case -- thousands of miles away. Mama waited to see doctors for hours upon endless hours in crowded, noisy and dirty waiting rooms. When she got past triage, she was relegated to a hallway in an acute-care ward until she could be seen. At best, that was several hours, again. Once that was done, she waited again, because professionals are overworked and understaffed. Eventually she was released, but usually that happened a lot faster than was safe, prudent and comfortable -- to make room for others because there were no available beds. That was, until the next round. She died with my brothers and sister at her side in a dirty room at the Montreal General Hospital. It was far from the compassionate and dignified death that we are led to believe is the right of every Canadian. The experience almost killed my father, too, and was an enormous strain -- including financial -- on the rest of us.

A few month's ago, one of my wife's acquaintances separated his shoulder. He makes a living doing maintenance work on heavy equipment. He can function reasonably well other than the fact that he can only do heavier work with one arm. He also has to regularly take painkillers. Not a great idea for this man, who happens to be a recovering alcoholic, an addict. Painkillers for an addict is like giving a child loaded handgun.

One of my dear friends, Fred Davies, has an adult daughter Jacquie, who suffers from a severe form of schizophrenia. The family has struggled with Jacquie's illness for many years in large part because she couldn't gain admittance to a psychiatric hospital. Jacquie was an accident waiting to happen. Allowed to go free, she brutally assaulted and almost killed two innocent people. Jacquie was found criminally not responsible for the attacks and remanded to the St. Joseph's Mountain Health Care Facility in Hamilton. For years before, Fred and Jacquie's mother has begged and pleaded for the people at St. Joseph's to admit her. They wouldn't. It was only after Jacquie almost murdered two people that the court ordered it.

This is not the way our system is supposed to work. Access means timely and quality care and treatment, not living in pain for a year or two or living with the uncertainty that you may have done serious damage to your head and neck, as my wife believed.

One thing we do know is this: The health care system in Canada is broken and is intransigent to change and meaningful reform. The only way to change that is political leadership.

At the August 2011 annual meeting of the Canadian Medical Association, its president, Dr. Jeffrey Turnbill said: "We have seen a slow and steady decline in what we would all now agree is a deeply troubled health-care system. To be clear, this pillar of Canadian society is eroding." Turnbull is chief of staff at the Ottawa Hospital. "I don't think any of us would have thought that we would be practicing in a system where five million Canadians do not have access to a family doctor, or (where) one in 10 Canadians cannot afford their medications. Where getting a knee joint replacement for severe and disabling pain within one year is considered to be an ideal target for quality care -- incidentally a target we don't achieve very often."

In 2010, just as the debate over President Obama's health policy reforms was heating up, Canadian parliamentarians spent an inordinate amount of time "defending Canadian health care" on cable news networks in the United States. They may have thought that was good public relations, but what we need are for politicians to defend and get serious about Canadian health care in Canada, not against Fox News and not on the Stephen Colbert Show. And "defending" our health care system should mean working to improve it, not pretending we live in health care nirvana.

Regular people don't live in a world of absolutes; only politicians seem to. Dogma won't solve the health care challenge. Facts and practical solutions will. That and honest debate are the three things that our elected politicians seem incapable of confronting.

That is why I sincerely wish Dr. Day well in his efforts. Unlike the politicians accountable to us, he has the guts and fortitude to force the issue on the public agenda in a straightforward and honest way.

And while a citizen is doing that noble public service, our political leaders retrench once again to the safety of their traditional and indefensible positions. Meanwhile, Canadians continue to suffer from the impotence and cowardice of politicians that wax eloquent over a system that is disintegrating under the weight of its own perverse mythology.

Berlin said that: "The notion of the perfect whole, the ultimate solution in which all things coexist seems to me not merely unobtainable -- that is a truism -- but conceptually incoherent."

He's right. And it is up to strong and honest political leadership -- encouraged and supported by an enlightened citizenry -- that will find the necessary balance so that all interests are effectively served.

 

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12:15 AM on 08/26/2012
- 'boomer' argument is false - a small population bulge certainly - but more doctors from the generation as well as more patients. Just those causing the problem trying to divert attention away from themselves.
- what nobody is identifying here yet is the actual problem that is leading to the cutbacks in the health care system that are the root cause of the other problems. The govs are claiming poverty because of big debts they have to pay with the big interest on the debts. These debts are essentially fraudulent debts and should never have been accrued in the first place - why in the name of anything sane would a sovereign government turn over the power to create a nation's money to a private banking cartel, allow the private cartel to create "our" money, and then borrow it from them? That is the root of the problem, and 'we' have paid 'interest' of over two trillion dollars on these fraudulent debts whilst the govs have been crying crocodile tears about poverty,imagine if that two trillion had been used for health care and other infrastructure maintencance rather than turned over to banks and other investors needlessly as 'interest??? - and things are going to continue deteriorating until people understand this, and vote for non-corrupt politicians who will stand up to the banks rather than being corrupted by them. What Happened http://www.rudemacedon.ca/what-happened.html .
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sonoffestus
Got smart & got out!
12:32 PM on 08/25/2012
One of the main reasons this American became a Canadian citizen was so I could kick my fellow Canadians in the butt when they complain about their health care

Is it perfect, NO, could it be better, yes, BUT privitization is NOT the answer. The first 52 years of my life were in the States. As an individual and as a business owner for private , for profit healthcare is a disaster.

This is just one more issue used to divide and conquer the people of Canada. This is about Corporate interests over the best interests of ALL Canadians.

If Dr. Day wants to go public, I suggest he immigrate to the US. I would also suggest that corporation's step up to the plate and pay into the HC system as they are a benificiary of a healthy and robust workforce.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
05:27 PM on 08/27/2012
What kind of fascist logic gives you the right to tell me I can't spend my own money on my own health?
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sonoffestus
Got smart & got out!
10:13 PM on 08/27/2012
Gotothestates :)
07:10 PM on 08/23/2012
The sooner we give up on trying to "fix" the current system, the sooner we can re-allocate all those towards helping the less well off get access to the better private system that the rich already have access to. The longer we delay, the longer the injustice will continue.
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07:28 PM on 08/26/2012
What are you talking about?
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02:52 PM on 08/29/2012
The less-well-off can't afford the private system. That's sort of the whole problem. Simply re-allocating those resources won't work because private healthcare delivery is more expensive than public. The current private system is only better because their clients are all rich.
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10:41 PM on 08/22/2012
Why are you Lib Party of Canada types so keen to allow private care into the current system when it would clearly beneift all Canadians to fix the existing system?
12:25 AM on 08/23/2012
You are perverting and politicizing the question. That's not what Veniez said at all.
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08:23 AM on 08/23/2012
Politicizing the question? Your own fellow traveller, LDW detailed the Australian experience. Why would it would be different Canada if we allowed a parralel private stream?

Roy Romanow wrote wrote in "The Future of Health Care", http://www.policyalternatives.ca/publications/monitor/future-health-care: :

"3. Tackling wait times

We must improve timely access to quality services. While the vast majority of Canadians who have used the system find it highly satisfactory, there continues to be a significant proportion who are waiting an unacceptably long time for care. A recent OECD survey of 11 countries showed Canada as having the longest wait times for care.

Moreover, our policy responses, concentrating on only five areas of care, seem misplaced. They are incomplete and have negative effects on other needs. We need a more comprehensive strategy. After all, we are not fighting to preserve a 1960s style of health care; we are fighting to build a modern and sustainable health care system that meets today’s needs.

Here are a couple of things we could do. We could invest more in advanced diagnostic services and efficient information systems. We could also increase the supply of skilled health care providers to alleviate unnecessary blockages and provide the impetus for a more integrated approach to health care delivery, which remains one of our biggest impediments to reform."

He doesn't call for privitization as fix. You are asking us to let you throw the dice and hope it doesn't come up "snake eyes".
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08:44 AM on 08/23/2012
Here is another reference:

http://www.policyalternatives.ca/publications/commentary/ignoring-proven-wait-list-solutions-undermines-health-care-sustainability

Why is Mr. Veniez not talking about this? Mr. Veniez did not address this in his commentary as detailed above. Why are talking about privitization at all when it is unncessary, and why are you Libs opening this up as a venue for reasoable action? What is reasonable about undermining the public system when there are obvious solutions to address issues in an already established and working system that recently surveyed at supported as is by 94% of the population.

What is you underlying agend here?
09:10 AM on 08/22/2012
Mama was lucky to get medical treatment. Had she lived in rural America there would not have been treatment. You would have had to cough (pun intended) up a couple of hundred thousand bucks for treatment in america. why does your mother deserve better treatment than any other Canadian who needs it. and for your info I know somebody who died of lung cancer (he smoked. Maybe Mam did. He got wonderful treatment and he dodoged paying taxes whenever he could. In fact, he came back to canada to get care. And for your info, emergency rooms are always dierty. Just tell your buddy Stepjhen to stop buying jets and ships and other war materiel and put the money into the health care system. Then we can all live with the happy thought that the poor deserve to see a doctor just as much as the rich do. When you are in need of a doctor you are no better and no worse than the man living on the street even if you are a millionaire.
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CanadaStan
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05:33 PM on 08/27/2012
Another fairy tale from someone who knows nothing about the US system.
Or any of the other systems in the world..

Singapore has better health care than us, why don't we try to learn from them?

Ever hear of Medicare or Medicaid?
Hint, they are US government funded health care programs!
08:03 AM on 08/22/2012
I am a Canadian that lives in Peru and has therefore enjoyed the benefits of Canada's healthcare system while also paying for private health coverage here in Peru. When my son needed surgery I went to the private clinic within the public children's hospital which to me seems like a great solution. He was treated by the excellent doctor's who treat in the children's hospital but the money that I paid went back into supporting public health care. This to me seems like a true win / win situation. A way to offer the timely healthcare that people are looking for that continues to put money into treatment for all.
07:44 AM on 08/22/2012
How nice that this person can afford to bypass the wait list and rush his family into surgery on the backs of Canadian taxpayers. Doctors working on patients at the Cambie Surgery Centre regularly bill the public provincial system for many of the procedures performed there. Thus Dr Day, who is presented as a big hero in this article, is actually parasitizing the public system while slamming it for being "slow". Perhaps if he weren't undermining the public system by hiring away publicly trained nurses and doctors for his own clinic, it would respond faster. As for this patient, if he really believed in private clinics, then he should be prepared to pay for all of the costs, and not have any of his procedures billed to the public system. In the near future, I shall expect to see a followup article on how he reimbursed the public system for any of his procedures that were paid by the public system. It should be easy enough to do: just call up the public system and ask how much the Canadian taxpayer paid for his family's medical care.
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10:36 PM on 08/22/2012
Fanned and faved. You nailed it!
12:26 AM on 08/23/2012
Absolute nonsense. A private hospital is a private hospital. It isn't on anyone's "back". The taxpayer doesn't pay a dime.
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05:05 PM on 08/24/2012
Wow, you're really something else. I'd say a dog with a bone if I had to guess. Bad NDP. Bad. lol In addition, calling someone else a troll when you've commented at least 6 times from my count, is just wow. Total hypocrisy. You haven't even expressed your own opinion, just that you disagree with everyone elses. Guess coming up with your own opinion is hard work, better leave that to the otheres so you can just insult them.

I'm curious though, what do you think we should do? Go ahead a have a two tier system? Do you think that's best? I wouldn't know, none of your comments have indicated that you even have an opinion on the matter, just that you hate socialists for some reason.

For the record, I believe our system needs to be seriously looked at, but I wholeheartedly disagree with a private system. It hasn't worked in the states, or anywhere else that I know of, so we need another option. I'm not an expert, but I hope experts from all parties can work together to help ALL Canadians, even you.
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07:24 AM on 08/22/2012
Mr. Veniez highlights his failed LPC candidacy. If you vote LPC, THIS is what you will get. Martin refused to sign a pledge in 2005 to penalize provinces that tried to increase the amount of private health care. This is ingrained in the LPC. If you want to preserve National Health Care, you have to vote NDP in 2015, or say hello to Mr. Veniez's version of the future. After all, he highlights his failed LPC candidacy. I don't see any LPC types denying he speaks for them.
04:21 PM on 08/22/2012
Like all demagogues, you can't deal with or face facts, nor can you engage in serious debate. All you have is mud-throwing. Veniez's election defeat was unfortunately shared with 275 other Liberal candidates in Canada. But if you think his candour was the cause of it, I'm sure he's happy to live with that. Veniez is the guy of honest person that would take that road before getting elected on lies.
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08:23 PM on 08/22/2012
Mr Veniez, like many of those 275 other Liberals spoke with a candor that allowed Canadians to see what he stood for. I am thankful for his candor as it led him not sitting in the House. His message and that of those other Libs was not what represented what Canadians thought or wanted. I don't see your point.
04:31 PM on 08/22/2012
The reason there are now some private clinics operating in Canada is not because of Paul Martin, who was a staunch defender of single-payer universal medicare, but because of a Surpreme Court decision that allowed the creeping privatization we see today:

"Until the ruling, medicare had one publicly funded tier for essential care. The core principle was that everyone was entitled to equal access to this care, regardless of income or status. But Judge Deschamps called this one-tier principle "arbitrary," because in her view the public system would survive if the bar to using private insurance for essential care were lifted. And it well might -- though that call is properly a political one. Worse, she simply ignored how medicare's core value of equality is reflected in the health system's design. The system is bogged down and needs a great deal of improvement. But arbitrary it is not."

http://www.healthcoalition.ca/archive/chamed.pdf
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08:32 PM on 08/22/2012
You are trying retoractiviely rewrite history. I know from speaking with three retired NDP MPs who were in the House at that time, that Martin refused to sign a pledge to penalize Provinces for introducing greater private Health Care. This is the same man who hacked and slashed the social safety net with budget cuts that overtwhelming were borne by the poor, the under employed, the elderly and the Middle Class, as documented in the CCPA public "Come Hell or High Water", a history of the real Martin Budget record. You argument is simply more of the LPC supporter almost Socio Pathic preoccupation with wrapping your record historical record of right wing actual governance in a "progressive" wrapper. You aren't fooling anyone. Canadians saw through you guys once and for all in 2011, and they know the NDP is the only party that will stand up for Canadians and protect our Health Care and other cherished programs. Your arguments are old and tired, and you days are done. Protest all you want, it doesn't change reality.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
05:35 PM on 08/27/2012
Oh yes, Paul Martin was a staunch defender of public health care, but he would never be crazy enough to actually use it.
He went to a private clinic in Montreal when he wasn't covered by the two tier health system for politicians.

Too funny, do you guys ever think of reading books?
12:31 AM on 08/22/2012
Why don't we just return tax brackets to the way they were in the past, with the wealthiest paying ~75% instead of 0-15% now? That way we can put the money towards health care to make it timely for everyone, while reducing the gap between the rich and the poor. Win Win!
07:36 AM on 08/22/2012
I think you're confusing the US system with Canada's. Although it can vary slightly due to provinical differences, In Canada tax rates are in the 40%+ range.

Canada also does not have the massive loop holes that exist in the US. The amount of money earned to get to the top rate is also much lower than the US - again it varies but around the $130,000 range.
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10:39 PM on 08/22/2012
The CCPA has done several studies that outline all the ways that the wealthiest Canadians and Corporations avoid paying taxes. The fact of the matter is that the Government is being denied revenue it needs to address the needs of all Canadians to the benefit of the view due to a lack of resolution to over haul the tax system that makes the well to do pay their share.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
05:36 PM on 08/27/2012
15%?
Did you fall on your head?
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MyTake
Release the Hydrogen Economy now!
10:36 PM on 08/21/2012
I am nearly in tears with this logic.

There were plenty of doctors and medical care in the 50's to the 70's and then two dynamics came into play that overstressed the health care system run by a dozen incompetent provincial government administrations.

One dynamic was the "baby boom" population resulting from the stress of WWII.

The other dynamic was the rise of the "Corporate State" in Canada which ripped open the government tax codes and flushed the Canadian society with a multitude of Corporate Tax Avoidance (aka Corporate Welfare) schemes (as done in the U.S.) that gave rise to this 1% fellow who authored this trash.

That 33% baby boom population moved through the system is causing enormous stress and all governments new about that figure in advance but let the healthcare system wither and set it up for Corporate privatization.

So, if we had just two lines in our government tax codes, denoting the personal and business income tax rates (no exceptions), health care would be adequately resourced with facility's, doctors and nurses working in clean stress free environments, which this fellow and Dr. Day just love.

If that Corporation, the writer worked for, paid a single Federal Income Tax rate, no deductions, that Corporation would have sent him off, not to a private for-profit clinic, but to a doctor of his choice for that annual exam.

And, behind Dr. Day is the international Pharmaceutical Cartel which is demanding healthcare privatization for their profit taking.
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07:19 AM on 08/22/2012
Fanned and faved! You nailed this and identified Mr. Venez for what he is. Great job!
12:29 AM on 08/23/2012
And all of us reasonable people have identified you for the NDP mouthpiece that you are too.
09:19 PM on 08/22/2012
Well, i"m sure you must be crying your eyes out then. Because the logic and facts are beyond despute.
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10:39 PM on 08/22/2012
Well, you are a reall sweetheart aren't you?
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The Venus Project ... look it up
09:41 PM on 08/21/2012
Sorry Danny boy, but you are way off base here. There are lots of problems, most stem from the fake monetary system we use, but healthcare should be universal for all Canadians. Today, its not a matter of resources, its a matter of money. Doctors days are numbered anyway. Technology will replace them in the not to distant future. Don't believe me? Better bone up on current technology and what is just around the corner.
09:19 PM on 08/22/2012
"Not about resources, it's a matter if money"? And "Doctors days are numbered anyway"?

Alrighty then!
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CanadaStan
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05:37 PM on 08/27/2012
Singapore has better health care than Canada.
Any idea of how they do that?
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11:28 PM on 08/27/2012
Better management from the government? Way less people? Chinese majority? I don't know Stan, how do they do that?
08:05 PM on 08/21/2012
Fix the public system which is good, can be better and do NOT privatize. This doctor is thinking of himself not the general public. If he wants to run a private hospital MOVE TO THE US, but if President Obama is re-elected (hopefully), the US will go with Single Payer in his second term!
07:46 PM on 08/21/2012
I guess this is as right as the Enbridge,Kinder Morgan, CN tanker/pipeline issue. Instead of fixing this for everyone let us ensure those who have money can get what they need and leave the screwed up system for everyone else?
Almost like bleeding a pulp mill dry of money and pensions>
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07:19 PM on 08/21/2012
Canadians do not agree with Brian Day's unCanadian vrews and Brian Day is the last person anyone should listen to or follow as a so called "model" for health care. Canadians do not want an iota of privatization in health care, and Brian Day should be thrown out of Canada and forced to the United States where his un Canadian views belong. Brian Day is a traitor to Canada, as is anyone who supports the unCanadian views of Brian Day.
02:10 AM on 08/22/2012
You don't know any doctors or nurses do you?
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01:53 PM on 08/22/2012
It doesn't matter what Doctors or Nurses want. Canadians want government provided health care based on equal access without priority being given to people with money. I don't care what doctors and nurses want. They are free to go abroad.
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10:29 PM on 08/22/2012
Of course I know doctors and nurses,and not a single one of them agrees with Brian Day and his antiCanadian agenda.
06:45 PM on 08/21/2012
There was NOTHING wrong with our system until the PC's decided to join the American "New Right" Austerity Agenda. Privatization of hospitals, doctors, etc. will result in loss of quality care for those that can least afford it. I blame a lot of our health care concerns on the Doctors. They got into it for the $$ - and rebelled when a ceiling was placed on their income. What? $400,000/yr isn't good enough for them. They should have gotten minor's in business practices because we all know how well we would do on that. The greedy left for the US and left us w/o doctors for 2 yrs.. Revolving doors Dr's that give you a prescription and tell you to come back in 2 wks...Surgery that is old and out of date. Canada has 30 million people - the size of New York for pete's sake and they can't make OHIP work? GREED!!!!
08:05 PM on 08/21/2012
You have it right, thank you for speaking up!