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The Week That Was: A Presidential "Coming Out"

Posted: 05/13/2012 1:05 am

Happy Mother's Day! Or as it may be, Happy Mothers Day! When Barack Obama became the first U.S. president to endorse gay marriage on Wednesday, his newly announced stance changed the gay-rights debate overnight -- and not just in the States.

Many progressive Canadians expressed pride that same-sex marriage is already legal in Canada. As HuffPost contributor Josh Scheinert wrote in February in a now widely circulated blog titled "America, You Have a Gay Problem":

We [Canadians] aren't all that concerned about gay people. Our Conservative government has said it has no intention of re-opening a debate on same-sex marriage, which is legal. Abroad, it has become a consistent and strong advocate for gay rights. Contrary to some beliefs, no radical gay agenda came and hijacked our society. The sky hasn't fallen.

Canadians (and Americans) who support the traditional definition of marriage reacted with dismay to the president's statement. For if the President of the United States now reverses himself in this way, what does that repositioning say about those who still oppose same-sex marriage? Are they no longer part of the mainstream? Are they banished to the fringe? Indeed, does it make you a bigot to hold the view of marriage that President Obama espoused until this week?

We know that it has become (rightly) unacceptable -- in Canada and elsewhere -- to criticize someone for his or her sexual orientation, just as it is unacceptable to criticize a person for his or her race. Sun TV host and occasional HuffPost contributor David Menzies learned this to his peril last week, as a guest on Toronto Mayor Rob Ford's radio show.

Among other things, Menzies harshly joked about former mayoral candidate George Smitherman's homosexuality and past drug use. This led to a Twitter storm over Menzies' appearance, including a sudden surge of interest in a blog Menzies had written for us back in March. In that post, Menzies identified a trend among disgraced public figures to find redemption with a public commitment to gay rights. Many -- including some in our own newsroom -- expressed disgust that we had run Menzies' earlier blog.

Menzies' blog -- which I approved for posting (yes go ahead, flame me @dcrittenden1 -- won't be the first time) -- fell (and still falls, I feel) within the bounds of fair comment. Menzies also wondered if there wasn't a double-standard at work, one in which those who openly believe in traditional marriage were now being unfairly punished (his example was Damien Goddard of Rogers SportsNet, who was fired after tweeting his support for traditional marriage). Menzies then concluded -- rather presciently now, in retrospect -- "It's abundantly clear that the first step toward remaking one's image as Mr. Nice Guy is reinventing oneself as an advocate for gay causes. I'll have to remember that next time I get into some hot water. I've even got a whiz-bang slogan: 'If it's good, it's gay; and if it's gay, it's good.'"

But whether you agree that this was fair comment or not (and truly, I welcome all civil feedback), it raised a interesting and productive dialogue here in Blog Town. When does commentary on these issues cross or even push the line?

We took this question to two of the most prominent gay-marriage activists on the continent
-- pro and con -- who agreed to take on the issue in one of our hugely popular "Change My Mind" blog debates. Nationally syndicated columnist Maggie Gallagher, co-founder of the National Organization for Marriage in the U.S., and John Corvino, chair of philosophy at Wayne State University in Detroit and a frequent campus speaker on LGBT, debated the statement: Same-sex marriage opponents are unfairly marginalized as bigots.

The two are co-authors of the newly published Debating Same-Sex Marriage. I highly recommend it as probably the most thoughtful, intelligent, and above all, civilized discussion on the issue from two opposing view points.

Last I checked, readers had decided Corvino was winning the argument by a margin of about 10 per cent.

No wonder the president felt politically safe in "coming out" for gay marriage.

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In other goings-on, our Althia Raj discovered something that is going to make travellers feel that much more frikkin' happy as they navigate through the already highly pleasant rope lines, queues, and security checkpoints of modern airports. You know when officials pull you aside and ask you to strike the pose inside a full body scanner? Well, it turns out in addition to the dignity you feel putting your hands on your head while security personnel quietly point and laugh at your privates, you may also experience a "severe headache" and even "unexplained radiation burn." Why? Because these scanners were not independently tested before either the U.S. or Canadian governments implemented them. On top of this,

Passenger complaints obtained by The Huffington Post Canada suggest security screeners repeatedly breached protocol by forcing passengers -- including children, pregnant women and those with illnesses -- to enter full-body scanners rather than perform requested pat downs. Screeners also failed in a number of cases to inform travellers they could opt for a pat down instead.

When passengers expressed health and safety concerns, officers repeatedly disregarded their complaints or treated them rudely.

In other words, take the train.

Also: HuffPost Canada teamed up with University of King's College journalism students to produce a fantastic investigative series of a sketchy PEI immigration program -- one in which "for some foreign nationals, it became a way to purchase entry into Canada, by making 'investments' they would never recoup, in companies they might not even know."

Indeed, as a result of the series, Immigration Minister Jason Kenney called for an investigation of the program. Good work, kids! Them's high marks indeed.

And on the blog rail, we held another Change My Mind debate, this one over the recent controversy caused by the E. L. James' book Fifty Shades of Gray. The aptly named Erika Lust, an award-winning erotic director and writer, debated with Dawn Hawkins, executive director of Porn Harms and Morality in Media, the statement: "Modern women should feel empowered by S&M porn." On this issue,our readers showed themselves to be a little less "forward" than on gay marriage -- last check-in showed Hawkins with a lead of seven per cent, arguing for the "disagree" side.

Finally, the jury in the horrific Tori Stafford child murder trial has found killer Michael Rafferty guilty of first degree murder. On all counts. In other words, super guilty.

While "justice" has been served, the gruesome facts of the case erupted in a debate in our blog rail as to whether the death penalty was appropriate in these types of brutal cases. Contributor Abubakar Kasim argued yes, while contributor (and now blog team intern) Daniel Portoraro argued no.

There may be a "Change My Mind" debate in that. But in the meantime, there is no academic point gained in celebrating the fact that Tori's killer is getting the minimum of what society feels he deserves. Our hearts go out to the Stafford family, who should be celebrating their daughter's near summer vacation, not this.

 
 
 

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01:58 AM on 05/14/2012
I got my marriage license in a government building, not a church. I got married in my back yard. This subject should not be at the forefront of international dialogue. We have bigger problems.
08:54 AM on 05/18/2012
The reason why I think it is in the front is because many see it as further evidence that the family is under attack, what I call the fundamental unit of society. To give credence by law to say that family can this way or that blurs the responsibilities associated with being a part of a family.
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I float like a butterfly but stink like the GOP
05:33 PM on 05/13/2012
Wow, there's one guy who has been allowed 3 comments already. I guess I know where Crittenden stands on equal rights for all.
10:33 PM on 05/13/2012
The comments are screened for abusive behaviors, not for talking too much. But it does stink that I had to split up what I wanted to say into three separate comments, would rather have had one.
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04:56 AM on 05/14/2012
No problemo mi amigo.  It looks like a dissertation.  However, I have found that sound arguments can seem abusive to some moderators because it doesn't align with their particular dogma.       
09:58 AM on 05/13/2012
Some may think that this is not a big deal and in practicality it is not, but I'm afraid to ask,"The LBGT is a movement, can they honestly be satisfied with this eventual outcome, or will they press us further by going for further legislation stating things like,"no church will be considered a nonprofit organization, and/or licensed as a church, and/or be allowed to congregate, when their belief in marriage is inconsistent with the charter of rights". If you feel that I am a bigot, let me state Article 11 in my church,"We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may." This is why I feel the answer should be the government getting out of marriage and leaving it to the churches. The LGBT movement could make their own church and marry according to their dictates. I believe this to be the best approach, but until the government does that, I will defend my beliefs with my vote, if we are even allowed that. Here in Canada, we weren't.
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03:39 PM on 05/13/2012
Will the churches guarantee legal rights and obligations for those married and their children?
That is the role of the government: justice for all.
10:13 PM on 05/13/2012
Is this what marriage is about, legal rights for children and parents? You and I both know that it is much more than that. Divorce is what has made marriage into legal rights and obligations. Justice for all is what is left over after a couple no longer loves each other.
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07:51 PM on 05/13/2012
Quite frankly, there are Christians and Christian pastors who would like marriage taken out of the churches and given completely to government. In Ontario, clergy act as agents of the state in signing the legal documents. This would satisfy the Heterosexual Movement against same sex marriage in the churches. Churches who wish to have same sex marriages can do a religious marriage without having to deal with pesky government documents.
10:30 PM on 05/13/2012
The heterosexual movement has the same problem then. Forcing the churches to do what may be against what the churches standards are. If a church wants to support a marriage between two people of the same sex, they should be allowed to do so without government interference or the persecution of said movement above. If there is to be justice for all, that exemption clause for the churches will eventually be removed, because the government cannot "give rights to some and deny them to others". What about those who may be members of my church, but who feel they are gay as well. Should they be denied same sex marriage in a temple because they choose to stay within our church? Or will they accept excommunication from the church because they no longer follow the standards by choosing to be married to each other in a civil court.
09:58 AM on 05/13/2012
Now I have a problem. In my church we have a statement of beliefs called the Articles of Faith. Number 12 states,"We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.", but we also believe that,"We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.",Proclamation to the World. Situation - A gay couple wishes to be married in our temple. In Canada, they have legal right to bring the matter to government and they are obligated to make a court case against our church in denying those people their right to get married. The eventual outcome, the refusal of issuing a license to marry couples in our temples. So now our beliefs will deny us our rights to be married in our temples, we will have to go to the courts to receive a marriage license.
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03:41 PM on 05/13/2012
Churches cannot be forced to marry people against their rules. That is what civil marriages are for. Not "civil unions". marriages.
10:01 PM on 05/13/2012
Sorry, marriages. Didn't mean to offend.
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07:56 PM on 05/13/2012
No you don't have a problem. It is well known that churches would not be forced to perform same sex marriages. It was in the papers and on the news in 2005 if you were reading, listening and watching.

Making up stuff like the churches being forced into performing same sex marriage is called lying. What do your articles of faith have to say about that?
10:04 PM on 05/13/2012
Sorry, didn't know that churches would be exempt from this.
09:56 AM on 05/13/2012
Well I looked up the word bigot here is the definition,: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

I am devoted to my own opinions, but I do not treat the LGBT with hatred and intolerance. They are entitled to their own opinions as well. This is why I feel the government should never have gotten into marriage in the first place. Once they started making legislation about marriage, they took it out of the hands of the churches. If they left it alone, a church could at least have its own moral code and define who could get married and who could not. If you didn't like that, then you could create your own church with its own morals and define laws according to it. Then the fruits of your labors would show whether your church was true or not.
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08:02 PM on 05/13/2012
"If they left it alone, a church could at least have its own moral code and define who could get married and who could not."

Clergy, as agents of the state, process the legal documents with regard to marriage. Deciding who can get married and who cannot for an entire country is the church meddling in the state, a no-no.

Churches already decide who can and cannot be married within their walls and pastors decide what weddings over they will preside. Sometimes a pastor refusing to marry someone may be simply that she has already scheduled a golf game or has other family responsibilities on that date. And, she may refuse to marry heterosexual couples deemed unfit for each other.
12:11 AM on 05/15/2012
That is why clergy shouldn't be agents of the state, they should be agents for their church. The mixing of the two does create a big no-no.
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02:42 PM on 05/14/2012
Once again more lying, what is it with christians and lying, is it a church doctrine that you must lie about your detractors, what belief structure says its okay to lie to support your erroneous belief system. Marriage has for the entire history of mankind been primarily a contract concerning property and not the purvue of religion. The church is a relative late comer to the circus of marriage.
In ancient times marriage was a contractual merger between two familys as adjuictated by the legal authorities of the day, frequently these authorities also had religious trappings but the fact of the matter is the actual marriage itself is a secular agreement. Just like today, thats why to get married even in a church, you require a valid marriage liscensce issued by the state.
12:17 AM on 05/15/2012
I'm starting to believe that you also don't believe that their is a God. If that is the case, then I can easily see why you feel the way you do. But, and I am just assuming that when you say,"our lifestyle" it means that your gay, when you look at your partner and then the marriage contract that will bind you two together, are you honestly going to tell me that you are thinking about all the stuff your going to get or about the love you have for him or her.
02:24 AM on 05/13/2012
It’s nice to take a vacation once in a while because this gives you physical and mental refreshment. I can still remember my unforgettable experience when I was in Bantayan Island. The place was indescribable. The surroundings were rare, pleasant to your soul.