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Listen Up Canada, U.S. Gun Laws Affect You Too

Posted: 01/17/2013 12:18 pm

The U.S. gun debate was splashed across news pages yesterday, as Barack Obama unveiled plans for substantial new gun control policies. Canadians are certainly paying attention. But do we realize how the ripple effects of gun issues in the United States can impact crime and violence north of the border? For starters, there are indications that firearms smuggled from the U.S. contribute to criminality in Canada. According to a paper published in 2009, the U.S. is "a major supplier" of illegal handguns to Canada. Available data show that two-thirds of traced handguns recovered from Canadian crime scenes originated in the U.S. The other one-third are from domestic sources, such as "leakage" from police and military stockpiles through theft, corruption, or other methods.

Smuggling statistics do more than merely highlight the potential international ramifications of U.S. firearms legislation -- or lack thereof. They also highlight a fact that is often lost on some gun-rights advocates: the nuance of the gun debate defies simplistic thinking; thinking that is neither demarcated by national borders, nor by the boundaries of binary logics of good and evil. In general, little in specific is known about the impact and effects of illicitly trafficked firearms to Canada. "We know that armed violence can have a variety of deleterious effects... [but] we do not know how much of this can be associated specifically with changes in the availability of firearms." Some of those deleterious effects, for example, are that the availability of firearms at home increases the risk of impulsive suicide among youth, or that handgun purchases among women in California are associated with an increased risk of intimate partner homicide.

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  • 1981: The Attempted Assassination Of President Ronald Reagan

    on March 30, 1981, President Reagan and three others were shot and wounded in an assassination attempt by John Hinckley, Jr. outside the Washington Hilton Hotel in Washington, D.C. Reagan's press secretary, Jim Brady, was shot in the head.

  • 1993: The Brady Handgun Violence Act

    The Brady Handgun Violence Act of 1993, signed into law by President Bill Clinton, mandated that federally licensed dealers complete comprehensive background checks on individuals before selling them a gun. The legislation was named for James Brady, who was shot during an attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan in 1981.

  • 1994: The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act

    The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, signed into law by President Bill Clinton in 1994, instituted a ban on 19 kinds of assault weapons, including Uzis and AK-47s. The crime bill also banned the possession of magazines holding more than ten rounds of ammunition. (An exemption was made for weapons and magazines manufactured prior to the ban.)

  • 2004: Law Banning Magazines Holding More Than Ten Rounds Of Ammunition Expires

    In 2004, ten years after it first became law, Congress allowed a provision banning possession of magazines holding more than ten rounds of ammunition to expire through a sunset provision. Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke told HuffPost that the expiration of this provision meant that Rep. Gabby Giffords's alleged shooter was able to fire off 20-plus shots without reloading (under the former law he would have had only ten).

  • 2007: The U.S. Court of Appeals For The District Of Columbia Rules In Favor Of Dick Heller

    In 2007 The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled to allow Dick Heller, a licensed District police officer, to keep a handgun in his home in Washington, D.C. Following that ruling, the defendants petitioned the U.S. Supreme Court to hear the case.

  • 2008: The NICS Improvement Amendments Act

    Following the deadly shooting at Virginia Tech University, Congress passed legislation to require states provide data on mentally unsound individuals to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, with the aim of halting gun purchases by the mentally ill, and others prohibited from possessing firearms. The bill was signed into law by President George W. Bush in January of 2008.

  • 2008: Supreme Court Strikes Down D.C. Handgun Ban As Unconstitutional

    In June of 2008, the United States Supreme Court upheld the verdict of a lower court ruling the D.C. handgun ban unconstitutional in the landmark case <em>District of Columbia v. Heller</em>.

  • Gabrielle Giffords And Trayvon Martin Shootings

    Gun control advocates had high hopes that reform efforts would have increased momentum in the wake of two tragic events that rocked the nation. In January of 2011, Jared Loughner opened fire at an event held by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), killing six and injuring 13, including the congresswoman. Resulting attempts to push gun control legislation <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/trayvon-martin-shooting-gun-debate_n_1413115.html" target="_hplink">proved fruitless</a>, with neither proposal even succeeding in gaining a single GOP co-sponsor. More than a year after that shooting, Florida teenager Trayvon Martin was <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/trayvon-martin" target="_hplink">gunned down</a> by George Zimmerman in an event that some believed would bring increased scrutiny on the nation's Stand Your Ground laws. While there has been increasing discussion over the nature of those statutes, lawmakers were <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/trayvon-martin-shooting-gun-debate_n_1413115.html" target="_hplink">quick to concede</a> that they had little faith the event would effectively spur gun control legislation, thanks largely to the National Rifle Association's vast lobbying power. Read more <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/trayvon-martin-shooting-gun-debate_n_1413115.html" target="_hplink">here</a>:

  • Colorado Movie Theater Shooting

    In July of 2012, a heavily armed gunman <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/aurora-shooting-movie-theater-batman_n_1688547.html" target="_hplink">opened fire on theatergoers</a> attending a midnight premiere of the final film of the latest Batman trilogy, killing 12 and wounding scores more. The suspect, James Eagan Holmes, allegedly carried out the act with a number of handguns, as well as an AR-15 assault rifle with a 100-round drum magazine. Some lawmakers used the incident, which took place in a state with some of the laxest gun control laws, to bring forth legislation designed to place increased regulations on access to such weapons, but many observers, citing previous experience, were <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/batman-shooting_n_1690547.html" target="_hplink">hesitant to say</a> that they would be able to overcome the power of the National Rifle Association and Washington gun lobby.


In certain circumstances, more guns equal more violence. But for broader conclusions, more research is required. Yet if we are to believe the National Rifle Association (NRA): "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." The implication is that all that is required to increase security is to increase access to guns for so-called good guys -- full stop. But the debate does not stop there, or at least it should not. In reality, guns often make it into the wrong hands, despite good intentions. And it looks like a sizeable percentage of these guns can ultimately find their way across borders to Canada. In fact, the NRA's crude call for lax gun regulation actually makes it more likely that guns will end up in the hands of bad guys (and gals) on both sides of the border. Contrary to popular belief, it is not stolen guns that account for the majority of those used in crime. It is that firearms are purchased by intermediaries -- either dealers or friends -- and passed on to those that might not otherwise be able to legally obtain a one.

Clearly the effects of guns are context-specific. But that context is lost when a recent statement by the NRA declares that "society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters -- people so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can possibly ever comprehend them." Now, the tenor of discussions around firearms in Canada is not anywhere as extreme as this -- luckily. This despite reports of NRA influences in Canada, as evidenced by its long-running involvement in gun registry debate. There is, however, a conservative current running through Canada's approach to firearm regulation.

A prime example of this is tough-on-crime legislation, such as the 2008 Tackling Violent Crime Act. Initiatives of this type make for good politics, but poor policy; especially at a time when crime in Canada is around historical lows. Mandatory minimum penalties for gun crimes passed as part of this Act, for instance, ensure that even candidates for rehabilitation remain incarcerated long after their detention acts as a deterrent. Canada's own Department of Justice published a study that shows long periods served in prison "increase the chance that the offender will offend again... In the end, public security is diminished, rather than increased." Such legislation feeds on, and perpetuates, public fears of insecurity. It is based on sensationalized notions of good and evil and a deterrence strategy that is better at populating prisons -- at great cost, no less -- than addressing problems of crime and violence.

Canadians have a vested interest in following the U.S. gun debate, both to understand how laws passed there laws can affect us practically and to learn lessons from the mistakes that can be made by painting intricate issues with broad stokes. In addition to smuggling in U.S. guns, let us not smuggle in gun rhetoric. Let us keep in mind that violence is going down. Also, let us be aware that NRA-style arguments are made in black and white -- or wrapped conveniently in the red, white, and blue. This ignores the gradations of fact that should inform our own policies.

What is needed -- for Americans and Canadians alike -- is a debate that promotes public safety and security through a nuanced understanding of the issues affecting gun violence at home and abroad. This means understanding the real and symbolic implications of our own policies for public safety, and remaining cognizant that the U.S. gun debate will shape not only American gun policies, but will also impact the lives of Canadians -- some perhaps tragically.

 

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04:39 PM on 01/18/2013
I agree to an extent CBNomad. Each country you cited are examples of cultural differences, volume of gun differences and differences in gun regulations. However I think you need to look deeper to determine why there's differences in homicides.

For example, although Switzerland has a high rate of gun ownership they are heavily regulated and are in fact imposing new laws.

Comparing third world countries to the US is fairly disingenuous IMO. Many other variables besides the proliferation of guns play into homicide rates.

It's better to compare America to its peers, like other western nations (e.g. Canada). Canada has a high rate of gun ownership but they are heavily regulated, with certain types of guns being restricted or banned. Guns are not allowed to be owned for anything but hunting and sport shooting, with heavy restrictions on the latter. We have laws around storage of both guns and ammo, and restrict magazine size etc. We also have 3x less homicide rate. Yes there are cultural differences but are they that different to account for the significant difference in murders?

I'm also glad we live in a peaceful society, but I am also glad we have different attitudes and laws toward gun ownership. I believe it makes us safer.
02:33 PM on 01/18/2013
I am with the writer of the following by James Wiebe

"Honduras with a firearm possesion rate of only 6.2 guns per 100 population has a civilian firearm homicide rate of 68.43 per 100,000 population.That is 23 murders for every one in America! Switzerland, with the third highest gun ownership in the world (4.2 million assault weapons are stored in private homes) has a civilian firearm related homicide rate of only 0.3 per 100,000 population.

Jamaica, that idylic winter vacation destination, has possibly the strictest gun control laws in the world. Ninety-nine per cent of the population are simply banned ownership, and unauthorised possession warrants an automatic life sentence; no appeal; no parole!Still, Jamaica has the world’s third highest civilian firearm homicide rate at 39.4 per 100,000! Clearly, limited firearm ownership and the imposition of strict gun laws are no guarantee of a peaceful society."

We have a peaceful society here in Canada. that in itself lowers our homicide rate.
Look at the stats. England has 2034 violent crimes per 100000, while the US has 466. taking guns away has not affected their violence.
I enjoy living in Canada because we are a peaceful society, and that keeps us safer
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DarPower
Oh, whatever....
09:30 PM on 01/18/2013
Thats totally illogical.
Canada is a peaceful society? Not from my perspective here in London, Ontario. We have riots, racism, and murders all the time. The difference is, its not by guns.

Thats a step-up for Canada, but simply, the USA and Canada are different. America is this exciting, theme park like of a country, everyone does everything there. All kinds of perspectives and cultures are in America, even Canadians go there.

Canada on the other hand doesn't face certain problems the US does, not simply because of its small populations, but because nothing to that extent happens here. Most of the Canadian media is Americanized anyways, same as the culture, fashion, and basic living.

Canada isn't doing much, and is quite tight with guns, so those issues aren't happening here.
10:25 PM on 01/18/2013
I guess all of out stats are coming out of London, Ontario!!!
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SimonLeigh
09:42 PM on 01/17/2013
There's nothing to debate. Owning a gun raises your risk of shooting yourself or someone else, or of that gun being used to shoot you or someone else. As defence against someone pointing a gun at you, it's useless. Think it through: if you're shot, stabbed or bludgeoned to death, owning that gun didn't help you. Nor did it in any way reduce crime--unless you go around murdering criminals before they do anything wrong. Feelings and emotions mean nothing: statistics tell the whole story. More guns, more shootings.
09:10 AM on 01/18/2013
I guess you missed the part about "In certain circumstances, more guns equal more violence".

As well as "highlight a fact that is often lost on some gun-rights advocates: the nuance of the gun debate defies simplistic thinking..."

Yet here you are with the simplistic comments that there's nothing to debate & statistics tell the whole story.

Statistics are important & show the results in various categories but the causation around those results is not stated in the stats.

Stats do show that while there are now more gun owners [more guns] in Canada than in the 70's, the various crimes stats are way down contrary to your comment about more guns = more shootings.

However, there are more smuggled guns in Canada & the handgun crime rates have remained steady or slightly up.

There have been no studies in Canada around gun ownership & increased risk of shooting someone nor do suicides increase as a result of ownership.

So while stats are important, they don't tell the whole story. But your comment does demonstrate the author's point nicely.
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colpy
09:46 AM on 01/18/2013
Funny, I carried a gun and millions of dollars every working day for eleven years. Never once was I assaulted. I didn't shoot anyone. And there were no gun accidents in my armoured car company. We did, however, have people injured and killed in the trucks......

Meanwhile, the little store across the street was robbed for a couple of hundred bucks at knife and/or gun point 4 times......

Don't tell me guns do not deter crime.
05:16 AM on 01/20/2013
Funny is right. Some of the biggest robberies in history have involved amoured cars heists. The only deterrent with carrying a sidearm is to those who are feint of heart for the hardened and professional criminal you are simply an annoyance to be removed on sight. You are that stands between the objective and the robbers and with the availability of assault rifles you are but one bullet in a 30 clip weapon.
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laymancanuck
IGNORANCE has used up its quota of TOLERANCE
05:00 PM on 01/17/2013
Great article. Yes, a lack of American gun regulation does effect our Canadian society. America guns are having a negative impact on Mexico, as is the ineffective American 'war on drug'. On many issues American policy and some entrenched cultural beliefs from the American extreme right effect Canadians. I urge polite Canadians not to be silent, to speak up against extremist views when they are encountered. I think most Canadians view the American gun culture as extremist. Americans are our friends and relatives, we vacation , own vacation homes there, we do have an interest in America being peaceful and prosperous. Canadians speak up.
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colpy
09:49 AM on 01/18/2013
I do speak up.

I tell American gun owners, at every opportunity, to never give an inch.

The Bill of Rights is not a joke, it is the supreme law. Allowing the gov't to do an end run around it for any reason sets a precedent.....and that is a dangerous path.

As well, let the gun grabbers have an inch, and you will wind up with no guns at all.
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laymancanuck
IGNORANCE has used up its quota of TOLERANCE
02:47 PM on 01/18/2013
' no guns at all' like a civilized nation. It's the NRA thats undermining democracy, buying politicians, making the ATF powerless. If you yearn to live in a society with the highest gun violence rate of any developed western nation, that has regular mass killings. A society of fear and desperation. If thats how you define freedom you know where to find it. Say Bye Bye.
03:37 PM on 01/17/2013
I think part of the problem is the stances organizations with strong lobby arms like the NRA, Planned Parenthood, etc. evolve into: there is no value in compromising with what is reasonable when your job is just to push for one side as hard as possible, expecting others to counter so politicians decide where the middle is. This is a very bad way to get what is reasonable accomplished.

Following suit of the adversarial designed legal system isn't very wise. Of course, I don't think an adversarial oriented legal system is very wise either: it just encourages people to lie, putting pressure on the other side to prove them wrong.
03:26 PM on 01/17/2013
"is a debate that promotes public safety and security through a nuanced understanding of the issues affecting gun violence at home and abroad"

This is a very accurate statement. However, it's difficult to have that discussion when so many Cdns do not understand the current laws & some others are here promoting the idea that Canada is becoming more like the US with respect to gun laws.

Any article here on HP that mention guns [I am sure this one will as well] invariably will have extreme comments trying to link our laws to the US' & attempt to link the NRA to owners here. The article about gun shows demonstrated that most didn't know laws were already in place covering & worse still, few read the article where CFO's stated shows were a very low risk.

The issue as I see it is that polarized views prevent that reasoned discussion that is necessary for effective public safety measures. The LGR was an example of a one-sided law that no effect on safety yet touted as if it did.

What's interesting about this article is that it is focusing on an issue that is mostly ignored by the anti-gun advocates. This despite the fact that police forces in Toronto, Vancouver & Winnipeg identify smuggled guns as a huge problem.

Seems to me there are many that tied up in rhetoric; play loose with statistics & have agendas beyond simply making reducing crime. Disappointing really.
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Nancy Stewart Cockburn
01:48 PM on 01/17/2013
How much proof do we need. The US has the most heavily armed civilians in the world except for Yemen. 46 people are killed a day. 900 since Sandy Hook. 15 children.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/15/graphic-31-days-later-u-s-gun-deaths-since-newtown/

Guns in numbers BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20759139
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colpy
08:30 PM on 01/17/2013
The US murder rate is considerably LOWER than the world average (4.7 per 100,000 in the USA, the world average is 6.9)

Yep, Yanks have the most guns....yet 14 countries have a worse FIREARM homicide rate, and each one of them has much tougher gun laws.

Gun laws do not stop murder.
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Nancy Stewart Cockburn
10:46 PM on 01/17/2013
Talking about industrialized countries. Also talking about OECD countries. You cannot compare the US to El Salvador.
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Nancy Stewart Cockburn
11:09 PM on 01/17/2013
Look at the industrialised countries. OECD countries.

You cannot compare US to El Salvador.
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spinnerator
08:50 AM on 01/18/2013
I think it's time you calmed down and consider what you post, your contradicting yourself. And sounding more hysterical with every new one.
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Nancy Stewart Cockburn
01:32 PM on 01/18/2013
I guess you don't like stats.
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Nancy Stewart Cockburn
01:36 PM on 01/18/2013
Also the computer glicked and I had to repost my comments and they showed up twice.
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Nancy Stewart Cockburn
01:39 PM on 01/17/2013
"In certain circumstances, more guns equal more violence. But for broader conclusions, more research is required".

The US has the most heavily armed citizens than any other country other than Yemen. There are 46 gun deaths a day. 900 since Sandy Hook. How much more research do people need?

15 children (13 and under) have died by accidents since Sandy Hook. This are innocent children. Suicides which make up 60% typically go unreported. Two were hunting accidents.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/15/graphic-31-days-later-u-s-gun-deaths-since-newtown/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20759139
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Nancy Stewart Cockburn
01:24 PM on 01/17/2013
Thank you for writing this. I have been following the gun debate very closely. A) we were thinking of moving to the US at one point; B) I am horrified by the NRA and C) I strongly believe that U.S. gun laws will have an affect on Canadian crime.

Commenting on some sites I received various comments from my fellow Canadians. "Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword", "What do the Yanks expect", "The chickens are coming home to roost", "Thank God I live in Canada", "It is heart-breaking when children are involved but let the Yanks kill each other - it is their problem".

I am not fear mongering and I am sure we will not end up with every civilian armed but I am worried that someday this will become "our" problem and I like bringing my kids up with freedom which I believe is slowly being eroded in the U.S.
05:19 PM on 01/17/2013
The laws in Canada are very strict & rightly so. I am an owner but like you, value the culture & safe environment that we have in Canada- even in our largest cities.

I do not believe [nor support] in concealed carry or regular handgun ownership for Cdns. If I have to worry about guns when I'm going to movie or dropping off my kids at school, its time to move.

We definitely need much better border control & scrutiny. This is ignored by many anti-gun advocates, instead focusing their attack on legitimate owners.

I'm hopeful for any US laws that will help reduce the flow into Canada.
01:17 PM on 01/17/2013
Living next door to the gun crazoids is a curse for Canada.
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Nancy Stewart Cockburn
01:11 PM on 01/17/2013
I am glad you wrote this. This is just next door and I am horrified but the power of the NRA and would assume that all of this would be a common sense moral issue and not a political one. I have been watching gun enthusiasts on the news and find them frightening.

I have had some comments from my fellow Canadians. "Live by the Sword die by the Sword". "The chickens are coming home to roost". "What do the Yanks expect". "Thank God I live in Canada etc. etc." "It is the U.S. it is not Canada".

Canadians need to open their eyes a bit. This could also end up being a Canadian problem.
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colpy
08:31 PM on 01/17/2013
Why are you horrified by a special interest group that reflects the view of 4.2 million members????
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Nancy Stewart Cockburn
10:47 PM on 01/17/2013
I wonder why?
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bonnie davis
12:02 PM on 01/18/2013
the NRA? Reps a small fraction of people in America. Does NOT reflect the prevailing views of responsible gun owners at ALL, and you know it. The NRA and its influence must WANE, become unfashionable, and END ... STAT!
12:38 PM on 01/17/2013
Considering that most of our gun related deaths are bad guys vs bad guys, I don't see how arming a good guy will every help here. Hire some more border patrol and stop these guns from entering our country. I pray we never get as bad as the states.
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Nancy Stewart Cockburn
03:39 PM on 01/17/2013
I don't think it will. We don't have that mentality.
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bonnie davis
12:06 PM on 01/18/2013
It will only "never get as bad as the [US]" IF we as Canadians talk about this endlessly and make SURE that every Canadian KNOWS the Federal LAWS concerning guns, the provincial laws of their province/territory, and TALKS to every other Canadian they encounter to encourage awareness of OUR LAWS and how they differ (and with what result) from the American gun ownership laws. We do NOT have a Second Amendment guaranteeing a right to bear arms, and people cannot in most circumstances BE in possession or CARRYING a weapon unless they are police officers/those whose occupation require the same. Canadians overall seem apathetic, uncaring, terrified, or just plain unaware about this subject, and that won't WORK in the long run to STOP us becoming just like America with guns all around us.
12:37 PM on 01/17/2013
"In certain circumstances, more guns equal more violence. But for broader conclusions, more research is required. Yet if we are to believe the National Rifle Association (NRA): "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

Actually more reseach is not required. It is a proven fact that states with higher gun ownership rates and CCW permits have lower gun violence and other violent crime rates. It is also a fact that 80% of gun violence in the states involves black on black drug related gang violence .... another inconvenient truth no different than gun free zones like Chicago and NYC having exceptionally high murder rates despite their prohibative gun laws.
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Nancy Stewart Cockburn
03:39 PM on 01/17/2013
They bring the guns in from neighboring states and all of Illinois is not gun free.
07:21 PM on 01/17/2013
No, they bring them in illegally. That's a big difference from them being owned by law abiding citizens. I have some good info on this topic at work ... I will post it up tomorrow.
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Nancy Stewart Cockburn
03:48 PM on 01/17/2013
I don't know... I look at the stats pretty quickly and there seems to be a lot of gun homicides in the gun states and these people are packing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state