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À Bientôt to an Easy Separatism, Quebec!

Posted: 09/01/2012 7:49 am

Quebec's sovereigntists pretend to want independence.

Until recently, federal politicians pretended to believe them.

But with the Parti Quebecois poised to return to power after the September 4 election, the old pretenses are breaking down -- victims of the global financial crisis and the Euro crisis in particular.

In the past, Quebec sovereigntists had a ready answer to every hard question: look at the European Union. That works, right? As recently as 2009, former Premier Jacques Parizeau published an influential road map (among separatists) to Quebec independence that urged Quebec to retain the Canadian dollar. There's nothing Canada can do to stop us, he told interviewers with a complacent chuckle.

But since 2009, Canadians and Quebeckers have witnessed a harsh seminar on the practicalities of currency union.

An independent Quebec would be crazy to stay on the same currency as the rest of Canada. If it did, it would find itself exactly in the position of Spain and Italy relative to Germany. No, worse than that -- in the position of Argentina relative to the United States during Argentina's brief tragic experiment with "dollarization" in the early 2000s.

The great lesson of the past dozen years of currency experiments is: currency union without fiscal union leads to financial crisis and economic depression.

If Quebec breaks the fiscal union with Canada, it must for its own sake exit the currency union too. Which means that Quebeckers will awake the next day to huge depreciations of their salaries, benefits, and savings.

Quebeckers know that, or intuit it, anyway. The old promises of an easy separatism have been discredited. Separatism is now a hard path, involving great sacrifices, reduced standards of living, more work, and fewer social benefits -- all at a time when PQ supporters yearn to hear a message of no sacrifices, improved standards of living, less work, and more social benefits. Which is precisely why Quebec separatism is effectively dead.

So what is offered instead is an elaborate pretense. PQ leader Pauline Marois has promised to form a committee to work on a project to develop a plan for a new strategy for independence. The committee will begin by studying past studies of Quebec independence, and then -- once the studies are complete -- proceed to propose action plans. A new diplomatic initiative will seek to gain international approval of the independence Quebeckers themselves do not want.

In tough economic times, these studies at least offer make-work jobs for under-utilized economists, sociologists, and party functionaries. But they impose a tough challenge on the rest of Canada: how to keep a straight face through the prolonged hemming and hawing. "Okay, you just let us know when you finish talking to yourselves. Take your time. We'll wait. Four years? Eight? Twenty-seven? Fine. No rush."

Quebec independence is that rare issue that was settled not because it was ever resolved, but because all concerned got bored talking about it.

In that sense, there may even be a certain unintended cunning to PQ leader Pauline Marois' otherwise unfortunate comments and outbursts: they sustain her followers' interest in what even for them must look like the sham it is.

 
 
 

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JeanFrancois Lord
11:55 AM on 09/04/2012
an opinion from David Frum or a dust bunny... hummmmm. i will pick the dust bunny, it is worth something.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
06:01 PM on 09/03/2012
Quebec schools and universities should start teaching economics.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
05:59 PM on 09/03/2012
A separatist win should drive the Canadian dollar down, which should be good for exports.
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08:16 PM on 09/03/2012
or UP!
11:36 AM on 09/03/2012
North shore of the St. Lawrence minus any community that votes to remain Canadian. No entry to NAFTA. Limited trade that benefits Canada.

And let them go.
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03:50 PM on 09/02/2012
The ROC (Rest Of Canada) isn't going to play the separatist game anymore. People will no longer bend over backwards to please or accommodate Quebec. The attitude is:

"Go or don't go. Please yourself."

That alone will take the wind out of separatist sails, as their true motive -- extracting yet more wealth from ROC -- has been neutralized.
09:13 AM on 09/02/2012
Why can't we just treat them like Catalonia in Spain?
02:03 AM on 09/02/2012
It is also a lot easier to talk language and separation than fix the roads.
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baizhongtang
Reality has an anti-neoliberal agenda
11:16 AM on 09/02/2012
It's easier to worship the monarchy and buy planes than to help the poor.
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Dennis Schmunk
01:14 PM on 09/02/2012
Most of the Canadian sourced jobs for those planes would go to Bombardier. I wonder what province benefits most from that?
11:08 PM on 09/02/2012
Except I dont hear much about monarchy worship and BTW the roads are great outside Quebec, despite spending less per KM

Its also easier to talk language separation than help the poor and there sure is a lot of talk
02:01 AM on 09/02/2012
You can make a good case for the ROC throwing Quebec out, as Europe will throw Greece out of the EU
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baizhongtang
Reality has an anti-neoliberal agenda
10:53 AM on 09/02/2012
There is nothing in the Constitution that allows for that. Go read a book.
11:09 PM on 09/02/2012
Too bad,,,,,but you will see Greece go
10:46 PM on 09/01/2012
Well, if the author declares the sovereignty issue dead, then it must be so. I mean, he's certainly the first to ever do that in all of history -- it's not like someone has done that every week since the seventies. But then again, he DOES have an excellent track record for predictions: like when he predicted that Iraq would welcome its American liberators. That's totally what happened, right? ;)
08:41 PM on 09/01/2012
Frum is wonderfully out of touch with Québec and a sizable portion of its people. Should anyone be surprised?
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baizhongtang
Reality has an anti-neoliberal agenda
10:59 AM on 09/02/2012
He wrote speeches for Bush. Could his opinion have any less importance? He's a reactionary hater....
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Dennis Schmunk
01:20 PM on 09/02/2012
Yes, if he wrote speeches for baizhongtang, his importance would obviously lessen by quantum leaps of magnitude.
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08:36 PM on 09/03/2012
For Bush and money.
It was a darn good speech!
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TonyOnly
Truth matters.
03:40 PM on 09/01/2012
"Separatism is now a hard path, involving great sacrifices, reduced standards of living, more work, and fewer social benefits -- all at a time when PQ supporters yearn to hear a message of no sacrifices, improved standards of living, less work, and more social benefits. Which is precisely why Quebec separatism is effectively dead."

Although true, the problem with that thought is, there's not an economic bone in the current PQ body. No Parizeau, Landry, Bouchard, Johnson, or Levesque. Economic realities are just a minor inconvenience for the current PQ hierarchy of Marois / Beaudoin.

The so called committees and studies are for appearances.The current PQ leadership see the brass ring coming within their grasp and they intend to grab it. No matter what the cost. The dream is what counts most for them.

That's what Parizeau was trying to say with his $200. statement to Aussant and Option Nationale. Marois wants to be able to say she did it where the others couldn't. Parizeau doesn't want to see it happen and then fail.
03:03 PM on 09/02/2012
Parizeau and Landry are both economists.
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TonyOnly
Truth matters.
03:46 PM on 09/02/2012
And they've been discarded as relics by Marois.
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techhie
03:05 PM on 09/01/2012
Well put point of view. As a long time resident of Montreal, and born there, I think he has hit the nail on the head. The separatists have always thought with their hearts, and have left the thinking to others.
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Dennis Schmunk
01:36 PM on 09/01/2012
Eventually even the most passive of partners will tire of threats of separation while acquiescing to financial and emotional blackmail. Go live in your own house and pay your own bills.
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baizhongtang
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11:04 AM on 09/02/2012
See, that's a big part of the problem: people like you have so little respect for Quebecers that they think this is just a game they're playing to get more money and benefits from "hard working Canadians". Separatists don't care abour Canada and don't want your money, how hard is that to understand?
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Dennis Schmunk
12:25 PM on 09/02/2012
Quebecers have so little respect for anyone else or Canada you mean. Everything from government to businesses like Air Canada are run on nepotism and graft. (Only Air India has more emplyee/relatives per aircraft).

If Quebecers believed in equality they wouldn't need discriminatory language laws to achieve a form of apartheid provincially while getting Quebec based PMs to give them linguistic hiring advantages federally. Having your cake and eating it too is the way it's been but with no thanks for the privileges.

Sorry, baizhong, but understanding Quebec is easier than you would have us think.
12:55 PM on 09/01/2012
There have been several mistakes made when dealing with Quebec. I think the bilingual experiment actually made Quebec less special and it should end. There is no mutual reciprocation inside Quebec and the majority of Canadians are willing to put up with it if there is a reason. If Quebec votes in a separatist party that reason is moot
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baizhongtang
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11:06 AM on 09/02/2012
"There is no mutual reciprocation inside Quebec"...oh, pleeeaaaase try to prove that poorly written statement...
12:38 PM on 09/01/2012
It's typical racism of the self-appointed Guardians of the Anglosphere. A Quebec currency would by definition be far inferior and the standard of living lower because why those Frenchies can't run an economy and don't benefit from their superiors running things. Remember what they said about Slovakia when it seceded and what really happened; superior growth and even a currency valued higher than the Czech one! Still, even in those days Madeleine Albright called it the "black hole" for daring to pursue unorthodox policies with great success and for daring to spurn St. Vaclav Havel and offend the Guardians of the Anglosphere who so much turned him into an object of veneration.
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09:56 PM on 09/01/2012
Quebec would part with a debt repayment due to Canada worth north of 100 billion. Not to mention all the federal infrastructure money owed on top of that. And, as my MP will clearly here, I will insist on its payment in short order. Militarily if necessary.

Quebec isn't going anywhere. Just a lot of jerking off going on.
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baizhongtang
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11:21 AM on 09/02/2012
Lol, people that think that force can resolve any conflict are so funny...if Canada invaded a sovereign nation, even the US would have to cut ties...I'd like to see how things would go for the "True North, strong and free" with no one to buy its dirty oil....