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This Catholic School Kid Thinks Public Funding Needs to Stop

Posted: 02/06/2013 5:44 pm

On February 3, the Toronto Star published an article which details a Brampton father's attempts to have his son exempted from his Catholic high school's religious courses and activities. The article has sparked a debate revolving around one central question: should students at Catholic schools who are not Catholic be allowed to exempt themselves from Catholic related courses and activities?

The answer is clearly yes. Under the Education Act the Catholic school board is obligated to provide this option to non-Catholic students, as Catholic schools are funded by all Ontario tax payers, not just Catholic ones.

Yet, instead of focusing on non-Catholic student's ability to be exempted from religious teachings in a Catholic school, discourse should focus on why the Catholic faith is exempt from the laws which apply to all other faiths and groups within the province.

As it stands, the Catholic faith is the only one that claims widespread funding from the general taxpayer which allows it to run its own separate and public school board. I am a product of the Catholic system of education, and I do not believe it deserves to continue in Ontario any longer.

From Grade 1 until Grade 12, I attended Catholic schools (Mother Theresa Catholic Elementary School and Saint Benedict Catholic Secondary School, both in Cambridge). There were some positive aspects of my time at these institutions. As the Brampton father, Oliver Erazo, stated in defence of his choice to send his non-Catholic kids to a Catholic school, the Catholic schools in my area appeared to be better than their public counterparts in terms of funding, facilities, and teaching. The schools I attended were also near my home. However, what were benefits to me at the time now play a large role in my disdain for the Catholic school board system.

Students should be able to attend the closest and best funded schools without having to deal with the religious propaganda that may come along with it. The religious aspects of the schools I attended seemed to be largely regulated to one religion course a year, as well as a few other required ceremonies. Yet, as Catholic school board spokesman Bruce Campbell stated in the Toronto Star article "You can't extricate the faith. It's woven throughout the fabric of the school." This deep embedding of faith has numerous consequences.

Primarily, attending a Catholic school implies that you will be subjected to claims like "We are not against homosexuals, we are against the homosexual act," which are justified by adherence to the Catholic faith. For queer students navigating through the challenging self-realization process of high school, this type of discriminatory babble is highly problematic and should not be forced upon Ontario taxpayers. One only needs to look to the school boards reaction to "gay-straight alliance" clubs as a further example of the attitude Catholic schools foster towards queer people.

Furthermore, attending a Catholic school as a non-Catholic implies that you will either need to sit down passively during the ceremonies of a faith you have no connection to, or go through a challenging legal process to exempt yourself. Catholic schools have a tendency of setting up rigid categories of those who adhere to their faith, and those who belong to one of the other "strange" religions. Not all students are equal in Catholic schools as those in the non-Catholic category are often stigmatized, even if not intentionally.

Finally, attending a Catholic school as a non-Catholic implies that your resources and time will likely be wasted on learning the tenets of a faith which you do not identify with. This is at the cost of other far more valuable subjects that are overlooked, such as math, science, or basic literature.

This is not to say that religious teachings have no place in the school system. The "World Religions" course I took in Grade 11, which can be found in public schools, was extremely useful in allowing me to better understand those around me. Ideally though, these sorts of courses would include Christianity, as opposed to teaching all of the "other" religions as mere objects with which to compare the supposedly "main" Christian tradition. Though students should learn about different religions, it needs to be from a secular viewpoint, unless, of course, the student's parents are willing to cough up the money required for a private school.

In a supposedly multicultural society, it is insulting for the government to fund and prefer the teachings of one specific group. The ever-changing makeup of Canadian society means that we are no longer a "Judeo-Christian" nation if we ever were, and so, we cannot give preference to a faith simply because we have a tradition of doing so. This practice needs to be justified, and no one can reasonably do so any longer. The time for the Catholic school board to be transformed into a secular institution is not in the future. It is not even now. The time was yesterday; this practice has gone on for far too long.

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10:42 AM on 02/23/2013
Lets face it, during my lifetime the Catholic Board and Public Board will merge. Its a fact! But being a parent that has two elementary school aged boys I pulled them out of the public board and put them into the catholic board why? My issue was not religion, I can teach that myself and my church. It was diversity, yes diversity! I was raised in the public board and there was diversity. My sister was in the catholic board but she said religion was not slammed down their throats. World religion was actually taught and that is not a bad thing. My issue is in Ontario its public funded correct? So me being a non catholic has an issue of why the elementary schools in all boards do not accept non Catholics but they do in high school? This is where no one in the media has brought to anyone's attention in Ontario. That point I will be bringing up to our current Liberal party leader.
12:35 PM on 02/07/2013
People !..sending the kids to Catholic schools has nothing to do with religion actually. It has to do with running AWAY from the public schools .. not that in the Catholic school the level of education is much better. It’s good actually to have an alternative to the public schools. On top of that don’t allow the (public) teachers union to monopolize the whole education system. Please let us ,the parents, have a choice where to send our kids.
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Sandra MacKay
05:03 PM on 02/07/2013
It's because of the Catholic schools that public schools are suffering.
07:20 PM on 02/07/2013
Then send them to a private Catholic school. You want to "have a choice where to send our kids". I think non-catholic parents likely agree with you, however, they are not afforded the advantaged position of this preferential division of tax payer's money by not being catholic. That is why there are so many non-Catholics at Catholic schools. Why not abolish the categorization of school based on public and catholic lines, and instead implement optional religion classes.
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09:14 PM on 02/07/2013
No. You don't.
11:11 AM on 02/07/2013
I agree with this article.

It's time for tax payers to stop funding Catholic school boards. Let the Catholics pay for their own educating just like every other religion does.

Jewish, Muslim, Baptist etc. all of these faiths pay for their own funding & so should the Catholics that way the billions they consume of tax base can be redirected to failing, desperately underfunded public schools. This should've happened the first time a priest was convicted of molesting children while the church hid, protected & defended the rapists. The Catholic church has proven to be a criminal organization.

That's not to condemn all Catholics, its a religion filled with beauty, mystery & value, I just don't want to be paying for anyones religious schooling.
04:17 PM on 02/07/2013
Its sweet that you don't want to pay for anyone else's school. You do realize that removing funding from Catholic schools will in fact compel Catholics to pay for public schools through their taxes and then turn around and pay again for their own Catholic schools. So your solution puts that very burden on others that you refuse for yourself. If you are sincere about this 'not paying for someone else's school', then you should consider that in Ontario, all other faith based schools are in that exact position. Protestant, Jewish, Hindu and Moslem school parents pay their educational taxes to fund the public and Catholic schools system, (Someone else's school) and then have to dig deep to pay for the school that they as parents have chosen as best for their children. This is a clear injustice and discrimination on the basis of religion. The fair solution is to fund all students in Ontario equally regardless of the school that they democratically choose to attend.
08:44 AM on 02/07/2013
People posting become experts on efficiency and feel that "one big secular government run system" is the peak of educational efficiency. The school board I opted to support when I designated where my taxes were to go is far more efficient than the public board. Full day nursery and kindergarten were offered long before the public board. The board optimized efficiency of transport by having one bus serve multiple schools by staggered start times - long before public boards. The exact same student subsidy level is used as public schools and more services and quality are offered.

Is this bad? Is real efficiency and higher quality education bad? Must all students be taught to the lowest common denominator to make things "fair"? Is the goal of education to hold our children back to the potential of the most disadvantaged students?

The board we fund had no contract disputes, no interruptions of classes, no work-to-rule disruptions of after school programs. Why should the school board I fund by choice with my taxes be brought down to the abysmal level of the public system when it costs everyone not one cent more than a public board education? Why should Ontario not put more effort into discovering exactly how other boards do much more using the exact same per student funding?
10:16 AM on 02/07/2013
To be fair, your board rolls over for the government and adds a 'me too' clause to their contract ensuring that any gains bargained for by the public board get rolled into their contracts. You knew that, right? Also, you taxes go to a single pot that is then redistributed, the designation does not ensure your money goes the the Catholic board. You knew that, right?
11:06 AM on 02/07/2013
The Conseil des écoles catholiques du Centre-Est does not "roll over" to the provincial government in regards to public board contracts. Please check if you doubt me. I could care less the route and waypoints taken by tax dollars as long as my child's education is funded at the exact same level as all other Ontario residents. Frankly, religion was the lowest criteria on school selection for my child - I'd happily send him to public schools if they provided the same quality educational experience.

It seems most of the objections to alternate boards of education are on religious grounds and interfaith prejudices, not real cost or education quality. I could care less if a neighbour's children went to a Madrasa that met provincial standards and curriculum, if it cost taxpayers no more. The best way to handle diversity is to accept all options equally and on a level playing field, not by forcing everyone to accept universal mediocrity tha delivers less to everyone in the name of "fairness".
08:19 AM on 02/07/2013
More fuzzy thinking. Support for a Roman Catholic school system is not a sentimental tradition; it is a legal commitment, made by responsible adults, who knew what they were agreeing to.

If that sort of thing matters any more.
07:26 PM on 02/07/2013
I never made that decision. Some one made it for me. I never legally committed to anything in regards to my children's education, other than the tax money I am forced to pay towards biased services that I do not agree with.
08:15 AM on 02/27/2013
Interesting point, more insightful than most of the legal arguments on either side: How long is a country's (or any institution's) legal commitment binding?
Of course, the Roman Catholics can argue that they are paying taxes for an education that, being secular,  might, by the narrowest imaginable margin, meet their definition of education, but by their understanding is missing important parts. 
Of course, you and I might be the only people talking about this. Most  arguments go along the lines of "The RCs have this, I don't like the RCs, I wanna take it away."  Thank you for temporarily raising the level of the conversation.
04:29 AM on 02/07/2013
"'Judeo-Christian' nation if we ever were"

Are you serious? That Canada was founded as a Christian nation is an indisputable, historical fact. We were quite obviously a Christian nation as recently as 1982 even, ever read the preamble to our constitution?
07:17 AM on 02/07/2013
The preamable does not specify which god, only that it recognizes the supremacy of god. I know its convenient to interpret the preamble as the god you believe in, but there is really nothing to indicate *only* the judeo-christian god.
08:38 AM on 02/07/2013
I wasn't aware there is more than one God; however, I was aware that he had different names in different. Would you be kind enough to tell me about these other gods?
12:53 PM on 02/07/2013
Nice try.

It's God capital G, not god lowercase g, meaning it refers to the Judeo-Christian God. It would have to be lowercase g to refer to any god, and Allah to refer to the Muslim god.

In addition, if you look at the historical context, to think that they could possibly have meant any other God than the Judeo-Christian God is simply ridiculous.
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12:04 PM on 02/07/2013
thast's something I wouldn't want to be proud of, as Canada, was founded on the slaughter and cutlural assimilation of natives. Christianity brought it's cruelity from Europe to the West.
02:29 PM on 02/07/2013
That's fine, you don't have to be proud of it. I'm not interested in getting into an argument on this specifically. I will note however that your comment has no bearing whatsoever on my assertion that Canada was indeed founded as a Christian nation.
12:29 AM on 02/07/2013
We don't have this in bc but we have our own education issues. Anyways this was informative ! Could have been longer
12:24 AM on 02/07/2013
Time to change/amend the constitution; having a separate schoolboard based on faith alone is highly discriminatory against everybody else. Living by standards set in 1867 doesn't make sense. Kudos to the author!
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08:20 AM on 02/07/2013
It is only discriminatory if you have nowhere else to send your kids. The neighborhood I live in has many types of public schools, not just one.
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12:14 AM on 02/07/2013
The public school system also subjects it's students to secular propaganda. What do you think scientific theory is? And yet the Catholic school system teaches science, you won't find any mandatory religion courses in the public school system.

You think everyone in our public school system is treated equally. You are in for a rude awakening young man.

You are young & have a great deal yet to learn. What you still need to learn won't be found in a classroom or textbook. It will be found through real world experience which you clearly lack.
12:04 AM on 02/07/2013
I too am a product of the Catholic School system ( out of Waterloo, near the author's hometown and in the same school board) and I have long believed that the time has come to end public funding for the Catholic school system. What makes Catholicism any more or any less valuable in our multicultural society than any other faith. Why do I, as a child raised in this system, deserve a better, publicly funded education rather than my Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Protestant, Agnostic, or Athiest neighbors (and all other faiths) ? Certainly I do not subscribe to any degree of "Catholic exceptionalism" and I think that the Ontario government shouldn't subscribe to it either. Frankly, I believe that continuing this practice of public funding only to Catholics is discriminatory to other faiths, by deeply hypocritical considering that we pride ourselves on being a "multicultural" nation, and a multicultural province. All of the money that the Ontario government ( and taxpayer) saves by ending this outdated tradition can be reallocated to make the ONE public school system better for all students. Better athletic programs, academic initiatives, special needs programs, and extracurricular activities (if those ever continue) could be provided to ensure that the future generation of students in this province is the best.
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08:24 AM on 02/07/2013
Multiculturalism applies to the Catholic faith. Try attending a Catholic church sometime and you will see people from all over the world attending, people of all nationalities. Those programs you mention at the bottom of your piece will still discriminate against those who don't excel in those areas.
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06:00 PM on 02/07/2013
F&F'd.
11:23 PM on 02/06/2013
The one point that the young former Catholic school student as well as many of the commentators ignore is that the Catholic school system, in what is now the province of Ontario, is a constitutional right that was enshrined in section 93 of the British North America Act of 1867. A Google search by anyone will quickly reveal that this right has further been upheld by the courts many times up to and including the Supreme Court of Canada. Does Mr. Mastracci and others want to deny me as a Catholic school supporter my constitutional rights?
05:54 AM on 02/07/2013
No one wants to deny anyone's rights under the constitution, we want to change the constitution.
08:11 AM on 02/07/2013
Yes, change the constitution so you can deny others of their constitutional rights.
09:44 AM on 02/07/2013
Do you want to know how nonsensical that statement is? Think of trying to restrict or eliminate rights granted under the Constitution to other minority groups who have rights granted to them under the Constitution such as Indians, gays, immigrants, etc., etc.
09:36 PM on 02/06/2013
I agree completely with the author. There is no longer any justifiable reason for any province to be funding a religious school system. Religion should be taught in the home and at church. If families feel the need to isolate their children in a school with only kids of their faith, then they should pay for that privilege out of their own pockets. Let public funds fund non-secular schools.
03:56 PM on 02/07/2013
" Let public funds fund non-secular schools" Freudian slip?
Surely the just way is to fund all religious schools as well as public schools. There is a historically documented constitutional requirement to fund the Catholic School system in Ontario. Since it is not legally possible to remove this funding, the only way to restore equity is to fund all religious schools equally on a per student basis. This would give the dissenters the democratic right to place their funding where they want it by voting with their feet. Good schools would flourish because families would choose to enroll their students and poor schools would slowly fade away.
08:34 PM on 02/07/2013
At a time when public funds are scarce and no political party would even consider raising taxes to fund even more school systems, the idea of funding separate systems for all religious groups is absurd. The curriculum in Ontario schools is consistent across all boards and is itself non-secular, so other than isolating students based on religion, there is no real need for religious school systems. The constitutional guarantee of Catholic school boards is a historical relic designed to protect the catholic minority from being wiped out by the Protestant majority that existed after the British took what was to become Canada away from the french. As Canada is now a multicultural country, and the idea of the Catholic religion being wiped out is no longer relevant, it seems a rather large waste of scarce funds to maintain this unnecessary luxury. The constitutional guarantee for a Catholic education system also existed in Quebec and Newfoundland, both provinces have stopped funding separate school boards. Ontario could easily do the same.
01:53 PM on 02/08/2013
You raise a good point.....what is now the 'Public' school system was originally a Protestant school system. The protection of the Catholic Schools was was enacted to protect the Catholic schools from being swamped by the Protestant system. The irony is the the Protestant system was nationalized and became the 'Public' system. So Protestants who wanted a disjunctive school system had to begin again and remain unfunded, despite the fact that the parents pay educational taxes.

It is a cop out to suggest that funding other schools is 'absurd' All you would be doing is paying per-student to educate students in Ontario, which is the duty of the Government. A blatant injustice is being perpetrated here by denying Ontario tax payers access to equal funding.

The only reason to deny funding to these students is discrimination on the basis of religion.
08:12 PM on 02/08/2013
The public school system is no longer a Protestant school system, it is non-religious. So it does not discriminate against any religion. The purpose of an education system is not to indoctrinate students into adopting religious beliefs, that is the job of parents and the church. Splitting education funding among umpteen different schools in a region based on student enrollment may sound fair, but what happens when a student population is small? Cost effectiveness of a larger population is much more efficient since when a population reaches a certain size, infrastructure and other costs do not have to increase in proportion to student numbers. Small populations could literally end up with less funds per student. What happens when the numbers of a particular religious group in a region can't support their own school? Is it fair that these students are "forced" to attend a public school or a school of a competing faith? Unlike your opinion that this would lead to a better system due to competition, I see it leading to strife, discrimination and squabbles over funding. Ultimately however, I guess I just don't see a role for religion in an education system. In some cases, the only time some kids ever meet someone of a different religion is at school. The best way to build tolerance and understanding between groups is to mix them together where they can interact and see that they have more in common than they may have otherwise thought.
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08:38 PM on 02/06/2013
Is proximity to public schools really relevant these days, when parents eagerly embrace the choices to send their kids to whatever 'special" program they want their kids to attend? In my neighbourhood, we have Catholic, Traditional Learning (whatever that means), French Immersion, Spanish Bilingual, Sports and Art schools. If you want to send your kids to a "regular" school, you actually have to bus them there. Why? Because parents want choices. So why pick on Catholic schools as having special funding? There are such a variety and choice of schools that parents are insisting on these days.
08:34 PM on 02/06/2013
You go through 12 years in the catholic school system and you are complaining? you sound like a Judas.I want my kids in the catholic school system to be around other students that have the same faith.meaning other students who have been baptized; confirmed and students that have received their first communion.I do not expect all catholic students to have the same level of faith.When you have children that is your decision to choose what school system you want your own children to attend.As a practising catholic it's a gift from God why take away our gift.
09:02 PM on 02/06/2013
But your wishes are being subsidized by other taxpayers and taking money away from public schools. People of other religions would like this special treatment. I would like to send my kids to an alternative school as well. Why do you think you have a right to this when the preferences of others are not subsidized?
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12:07 AM on 02/07/2013
It's not taking money away. They are in public schools, only with a Catholic view.

In my community, we have tons of specialty public schools because parents have insisted: French Immersion, Spanish, different learning styles such as Montessori, art-based schools, science-based schools, Catholic. The list goes on. If it works here, it can work elsewhere.
08:15 AM on 02/07/2013
It's God's will.Other religions have no spiritual authority like the Roman Catholic Church.We have been around for 2,000 years.As a catholic my property tax goes toward the separate school system you also have a choice to put your education tax dollars toward the public school system if you live in Ontario.
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11:39 PM on 02/06/2013
It's not a gift from God, it's a gift from the taxpayers of Ontario...the money goes into one big pot and schools receive the funding on a per student basis..
08:17 AM on 02/07/2013
I am pretty confident there are several hundred thousand catholic students whereas other alternative religious wold not be able to get near those numbers.Do want 200 alternative religious school systems with 100-500 students that's a waste.
08:32 PM on 02/06/2013
Public and Catholic school boards often share services. Why they continue to exist separately is a mystery to me. It's costing we taxpayers money. Plus - it's not as if most Catholic people I know actually go to church, so insisting that their children have a separate, religious-based education is somewhat hypocritical. If you want your child to attend a school with its own politics and non-inclusive rules, pay to send your child to private school.
01:33 PM on 02/07/2013
For catholics you are right some parents do not go to church every week.However in the catholic faith there are certain levels of faith.Some catholics have a great gift of faith and become nuns and priests; laypersons in the church.I do not expect every catholic to be a priest or nun however they should follow the faith that God has given them.