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Greece Must Go -- and Quebec's Students Too

Posted: 05/22/2012 8:56 am

Quebec's unruly students are no different than the Greeks. Both have enjoyed free rides for years, both are being asked to pay their share of the tab and both are refusing to do so.
The backdrop to both situations and many more to come is the Great Markdown, or the irreversible decline in living standards in developed countries due to mismanagement by democracies, debts, demographics and the success of emerging economies.

The second and third mortgages on the world's "rich" nations means tax hikes and spending cuts, in varying degrees. The students and the Greeks are deadbeats, willing to go to any lengths to get out from under their share of the burden. Obviously, the degree of discomfort is wildly variant. The Greeks are going to fall behind the Romanians in living standards in short order while the students are making a fuss over a pittance.

That makes the Quebec students, in a sense, even more irresponsible. They are protesting over inconsequential amounts that few will directly shoulder and that will, even after increases, remain the lowest in Canada. They are spoiled brats, fronted by kids who actually believe their "tuition crisis" is noble. Premier Charest is correct in shutting them down.

The Greeks are also spoiled brats. They have elected for years leaders like those leading Quebec students who are all show and no substance, who believe in the Free Lunch from Germany or whoever else pays for their benefits and who are prepared to go to the wall for their "noble" cause.

But the party called Greece is over and last week's Greek election result has led credible Europeans, such as the editorial board of der Spiegel and officials in Brussels, to openly discuss and quantify the cost of Greece's exit from the Eurozone. The consensus is not only is this inevitable, but desirable.

The European Commission and the European Central Bank are working on scenarios in case Greece has to leave the Eurozone, EU trade commissioner Karel De Gucht told newspapers. "A year and a half ago there maybe was a risk of a domino effect. But today ...a Greek exit does not mean the end of the euro, as some claim."

In fact, exit of Greece will enhance the future success of the Eurozone by lifting the cloud, say Germans. "It would also make the Eurozone more attractive to new members, such as Poland, with its strong economy. Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski has already signaled Warsaw's desire to join the Eurozone," wrote der Spiegel.

Another benefit, which is why Britain is pushing the Eurozone to stay the course, is that the burden of helping the Greeks will shift to the 27 member European Union from the 17-member Eurozone. An EU fund exists to help struggling nations, such as Latvia dipped into, and Greece will do the same if it leaves.

By the way, the decision is being made daily by the Greeks. The election will be a referendum on the Euro, but if Greeks continue the run on their banks and accelerate it, then there will be no choice but to exit.

Greek banks have lost up to 30 percent of their deposits since the trouble began in 2010 and estimates are that wealthy Greeks have already transferred hundreds of billions of Euros to German banks.

The run is the thing and works like this: As deposits are withdrawn, banks cannot borrow to compensate except from the European Central Bank; they have already received $127 billion this way in exchange for collateral but there's no collateral left. The ECB cannot do much more because it is on the hook for Italy and Spain. So the total loss if it leaves is $127 billion to the other 16 Eurozone members.

If Greeks vote the same way, the new regime will have to shut down its borders and banks to prevent euros or assets from leaving; print drachmas and establish an exchange rate from euros to drachmas. Anyone or any business owing large sums in euros will be forced to declare bankruptcy and the country will need martial law.

The IMF estimates a decline in economic output of more than 10 percent for the first year following the return of the drachma. But after that, according to the IMF, the Greek economy will grow even faster than it would without the devaluation. "The turbulence could last one or two years," it said.

Agriculture and tourism will led the economy and imports from other European countries will crater, along with those from the US or China, thus harming their economies too.
The departure of Athens will help the long-term health of the Euro, and Europe, and patience has run out with the dysfunctional Greeks. As one German politician pointed out: "Greece has already received more money than was paid out under the Marshall Plan. The Greeks must treat the measures as an opportunity, or else they don't stand a chance."

This blog originally appeared in the Financial Post.

 

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04:54 PM on 05/28/2012
Greek got exactly what they deserved, and now they're running from the consequences by these stupid referendums. I hope they get kicked out of EU. Who's going to foot the bill for Quebec in a couple of years. I am all for lower tuition for students, but we pay substantially higher tuition in Ontario and have the highest devotion of tax pool. Doesn't make sense to me.
12:45 PM on 05/28/2012
Diane Francis, Editor-at-Large.
Not the intellect.
11:28 PM on 05/27/2012
I sincerely wish you get a flesh eating disease...
05:19 PM on 05/26/2012
I'd like to tell you that that kind of post is absolutely insulting for everyone living in my province, Québec. Some people are against the raise, other are for, but i don't see why you think that every students are brats and spoiled. It's like saying every politician is corrupt. You might be more capitalist than most of those people out on the street but our choice WON'T affect you. So please respect this opinion, because none of us is trying to make a choice for you. We're going to be the adults leading the province in a few years and we can make our choice for OUR future. I, personally, prefer to fight against laws that Charest is trying to impose here than accept everything because is the prime minister. Governments should be afraid of their people, and not the opposite.

P.S. Sorry for my poor english, i'm francophone.
03:38 AM on 05/25/2012
The Greek politicians colluded with EU Bankers and Goldman Sachs to bring Greece into the EU.
The average Greek citizen is NOT to blame !
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11:05 AM on 05/25/2012
F&F'd. Pretty ignorant column, wasn't it?
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03:13 PM on 05/27/2012
THE STORY WAS RIGHT ON POINT.
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02:06 PM on 05/24/2012
wow, right-wing tilt much. "Both enjoy free-rides", they don't get things for free, they get heavily taxed, more so then the rest of Canada.
12:53 AM on 05/24/2012
I`m surprised she didnt try to slag immigrants and environmentalists as well.
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04:06 PM on 05/23/2012
A good deal of why the Greek economy is upside down at the moment is because folks who should pay taxes are not. Either because they find creatively legal ways to do it or, most often, not so legal ones. To equate tax evasion with tuition fee increases is... frankly odd. I'm grateful to see a portion of our society stand up for something they believe in instead of acquiecsing to greed.

For your consideration... I work in a downtown Toronto office tower where Queen's University has just set up their new Executive MBA school. Now I'm not saying that Queen's should operate their MBA school in a strip mall in Markham, but there's got to be something a between this and triple-A office space on the top floor of an office tower with a panoramic view of Lake Ontario.

You want to know why tuition fees are so RIDICULOUS in this country - let's talk about the spoiled brats like this school who have no problem charging $90,000 for an Executive MBA which takes about 15 months to complete. NINETY THOUSAND DOLLARS. How much of that money could/should be plowed back into educating minds that are being shut out because of these kinds of outrageous displays conspicuous consumption?!?
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08:50 AM on 05/24/2012
education costs money, this is a no brainer! if it costs 90,000 for that MBA, at that school, then look around, there may be a school that charges less. if not then you have to ask yourself if that is what i can afford. or go to work, find out how important education is. i wish i would have paid for a university degree when i was younger, maybe then my opinions would count for something.
saying that, there is no way a government of any stripe should be able to pass laws limiting our right to protest.
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09:49 PM on 05/24/2012
I think you may have misinterpreted my comment.  I'm not looking for an MBA school, I'm merely pointing out how crazy tuition fees for some programs are and question the justification for the selected location of this particular MBA school.  Education fees shouldn't be about how opulent and prestigious your outlying campus locations are; they should be about raising people up to be better and more productive members of society.
03:50 PM on 05/23/2012
The value we get from an educated citizen far outweighs the cost of subsidizing their education. Diane envisions a country where we strip resources with uneducated peons, whereas we could create an economy based on building finished goods and having knowledge-based industries.

One kind of economy is good for the few, one for the many. Curiously, Diane supports the kind where no one will read newspapers.
12:51 PM on 05/23/2012
"The students and the Greeks are deadbeats, willing to go to any lengths to get out from under their share of the burden." if these people are deadbeats, what would you call the hugely wealthy multinational corporations who lobby continuously throughout the world to pay lower and lower taxes, and for regulations which allow them higher and higher profits, and who truthfully are the reason why governments world wide are suffering and in debt. i would think you would need a much stronger word than deadbeats, how about criminal?
06:14 PM on 05/23/2012
I think it's disturbing how people can look down on others with such inhuman lack of compassion. They just want to make things hard on other people, to make themselves feel better.
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11:09 AM on 05/25/2012
F&F'd.
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12:20 PM on 05/23/2012
I find it very interesting that in certain Nordic countries, post-secondary tuition (though not text books or other minor, associated fees) is free to all academically deserving students, and that a consensual recognition exists that a well-educated population not only enhances the wealth and functionality of the nation, but that those who receive such an education and go on to the workforce recognize their position of "paying it forward" to the next generation. Yet in Canada, the same students who complain about relatively low cost of their tuition are often to be found, not too many years later, grumbling about their high taxation levels. And in Canada, no inclusion in the discussion is ever made of those who attend technical, trade or polytechnic institutions to learn vocations that are not strictly "university" oriented, despite the fact that those with "trades" often go on to become major contributors in the tax base. I fear we have too many competing (self-) interests in this country to sort this out in a sensible way.
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11:40 AM on 05/23/2012
I love it when privileged boomers like Diane and Margaret Wente weigh in on how irresponsible today's young folks are. These kids are facing financial hurdles that no boomer ever had to face.
10:36 AM on 05/23/2012
400,000 people in the streets of Montreal yesterday, seems to be a lot more dynamic than people Diane Francis thought.

P.S. 30, 000 police officers in England marched last week against wage and pension cuts, 200,000 people on the streets in Spain against cuts to education and tuition hikes.

My point is, once they are done with the students they are coming after you!
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11:10 AM on 05/25/2012
F&F'd.
12:42 AM on 05/23/2012
I, sincerely, hope all the persons commenting in favour of the students send us their addresses so we can pass them on to the hundreds of small business owners who have lost thousands of dollars due to the students' excuse to commit vandalism among other crimes. We'll gladly drain your wallets to cover the overtime costs for police services, as well.

This hijacking of Montrealer's lives and livelihood has been sold as a protest over a paltry 359.00 per year increase over 5 yrs. The IPhones these students are using to organize their criminal activity along with their wireless contracts monthly payments would cover those tuition hikes. The last hundred days have been carefully managed by the leaders of the PQ, FTQ, CSN and other groups whose crimes would be exposed by the inquiry into the construction industry. They're a diversion tactic. The students are a great foil because they are young and foolish and will use any excuse not to study and destroy property. These acts of anarchy have nothing to do with tuition fees. Shame on all who support this chaos.
09:30 AM on 05/23/2012
Speechless.
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12:17 PM on 05/23/2012
YOu sound like a Chinese propagandist slandering the students in Tienanmen Square. Almost verbatim, in fact.
02:04 PM on 05/23/2012
Painfully evident by most of the comments I've read on this story that most of the commentators have no idea as to the true nature of the situation, overall. It is easy to sit on the outside and root for social disorder when you are not a victim of their assault on the hard working taxpayers of this province and it appears, by the comments in favour of their criminal acts, that most of the people commenting do not have knowledge of the history of this province.

We are not looking at an oppressed gorup of people seeking freedom. We're looking at thrill seekers sponsered by Quebec labour unions which are among the most violent in North America. Then again. Unitl you are a victim of an assault, vandalism, losing customers because people are afraid to come into town, losing money on your pay due to bridge closers which delay you by hours, having your store or restaurant windows smashed by these thugs, you will continue to treat this situation as a phase. May you and yours suffer a similar fate one day.
11:35 PM on 05/22/2012
Not much to argue about Diane's article. To the point and accurate. People should pay their own way. Canada is not a socialist nation, despite the attempts of those on this site.
10:05 AM on 05/23/2012
How can you say that buylow when every part of your life in this country is subsidized? From energy to education, thats called socialism. People wouldn't know what capitalism and liberty is if it smacked them in the face.
02:52 PM on 05/23/2012
If you truly believe this, then you would insist that everyone should pay directly for schooling starting from kindergarten, and everyone should pay the actual costs for the roads they use, directly (and no, they do *not* pay for them via registration fees and fuel taxes). And everyone should pay directly for ambulances, fire department visits, police protection, and hospital use, no matter what the circumstances.

Of course, you come to your ideological conclusions (as does Mme DF) without considering all the relevant facts or logic.