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Where Do Atheists Belong in the Office of Religious Freedom?

Posted: 02/22/2013 8:44 am

Many comments regarding the appropriateness and potential effectiveness of the Canadian Office of Religious Freedom have been made; however, with the exception of a few reporters, no one has noted the exclusion of Secular Humanist or atheist organizations from whatever consultation that occurred.

The frosting on that cake was the failure to invite representatives from any Secular Humanist organizations to the press conference formally announcing the creation of the office and the appointment of Dr. Andrew Bennett as its ambassador.

Ironically, the press conference was held in the main mosque of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama`at Canada. This Muslim group regularly invites Secular Humanist representatives to its World Religions Conference and respects the atheist perspective of those representatives. Perhaps the Harper government could take instruction.

We have tried to participate. On behalf of Secular Connexion Séculaire (SCS), I tried to present our case to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, John Baird at the time of the original announcement. Months later, Mr. Baird, or rather one of his minions, responded by repeating passages from the original announcement that did not mention persecuted atheists at all.

The first indication that the Harper government had thought, even in passing, about the plight of atheists highlighted by the International Humanist and Ethical Union, was Prime Minister Harper's response to a direct question about the matter from a reporter at the press conference.

I do appreciate the commitment this response indicates and will be in touch with the new ambassador to find ways to participate in the work of the Office of Religious Freedom.

In every country run by religiously dominated governments, atheists are systematically persecuted. And, yes, in every country with atheist governments believers are persecuted.

Any persecution of any person because of personal philosophy, religious or not, is not acceptable and we Canadians need to speak out strongly against such persecution.

At the same time, we must recognize that, even in the United States, several states ban atheists from testifying in court and in some cases from running for public office.

In Canada, the Income Tax Act discriminates against Secular Humanist organizations with its charitable status regulations by extending rights denied to Secular Humanists to religions for simply promoting their theist religions.

O Canada is theist in both official languages and sexist in English. SCS had proposed a solution to this situation on its website as a part of its policy of Open Secularism.

Our efforts must include work to eliminate these flaws and any other discrimination against or favouritism for any personal philosophy, religious or not.

Ambassador Bennett is newly appointed and the challenges facing the Office of Religious Freedom are large. His task is made more difficult by an inappropriately small budget, legitimate opposition party concerns about the removal of funding from other human rights organizations, and an apparent religious bias in the forming of the Office of Religious Freedoms.

More is to be gained by trying to participate in the efforts of the Office of Religious Freedom and by assisting Dr. Bennett than is to be gained by sniping from the sidelines.

SCS intends to vigorously pursue inclusion in the process.

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10:49 PM on 02/24/2013
Except for Hinduism, no other religion has a place for atheists. All major religions postulate a greater power, atheism does not. Blackballed. The concept of God also militates against humanism, though some misguided souls in their ranks have tried to incorporate concern for the well-being of their fellow creatures in their version of religion. Out!

The peasants can stay outside.
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Larry Mutter
04:53 PM on 02/23/2013
We now have a special unit to help people in a dark room find a black cat that isn't there
10:50 AM on 02/23/2013
The best Religious Freedom is No Religions. Although I do not believe in the Biblical God I do believe in a Higher Power. Also there is an old saying "There are no Atheists in a Foxhole" I can vouch for that.
07:45 PM on 02/23/2013
How do you explain The Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers?

That old saying is a myth, just like your higher power.
09:58 AM on 02/24/2013
When Artillery Shells are falling all around you and killing your buddies, believe me you are praying that one doesn't hit you. And my Higher Power is the Universe itself.
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Free Again
08:25 AM on 02/23/2013
I didn't know that atheism was a religion. Ditto for humanism.
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Mike vdB
Get involved, always question, don't just exist.
10:49 AM on 02/23/2013
It is still a philosophy that many people subscribe to. Just because it does not have a deity at the centre, doesn't mean it has any less value.
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Free Again
09:32 PM on 02/23/2013
Sure, but it 's not a religion.  It's a philosphy.
12:40 AM on 02/23/2013
i think it makes sense to start by protecting and creating the right to worship. in many countries people share the same culture and human rights[or lack of them], the only thing that differentiates them is their place of worship. and this difference must be preserved.
12:35 AM on 02/23/2013
just say your religion is atheism.
08:02 AM on 02/23/2013
Wrong. If it was a religion, we would get a tax break. Unless you want to back us when we apply to change the tax laws. I'm sure you'll be right up front when we march for our "right" to not pay taxes on our group's income. Why not? You're all in favour of giving "religions" tax breaks, and according to you, we are!. So how about it? Can I put your name down on the petition?
No? That's what I thought.
02:15 PM on 02/23/2013
by the way all you need is a place where you can share with other atheists and voila you could after being approved as a religious institution,
02:13 PM on 02/23/2013
quite the contrary i m for the taxation of religious institutions, they should get the same taxbreak others do. i bet you we d discover that there wouldn t be so many religious institutions and many religious people.
05:06 PM on 02/22/2013
I AM PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT MAINTAINING THE DIVISION OF CHURCH AND STATE."TtHE GOVERNMENT HAS NO PLACE IN THE BEDROOMS OF THE NATION," OR THE CHURCHES!

AETHEISTS WILL CARRY ON AS THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO DO SINCE IT IS A PRIVATE MATTER ANYWAY, AND CERTAINLY NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S.
12:50 PM on 02/23/2013
Why are you shouting?
05:17 PM on 02/23/2013
I'M NOT, I HAVE VISION ISSUES. BE CAREFUL HOW YOU JUDGE THINGS IN THE FUTURE.
05:57 PM on 02/23/2013
Funny how all caps lock reads like shouting in the brain. At least he went easy on the exclamation marks.
04:28 PM on 02/22/2013
You believe in nothing - then no say in those religions that do.
Go stand in the corner.
06:41 AM on 02/23/2013
You believe there is a god; I believe there is no god.
Our beliefs are equivalent and of equal worth.

You are correct in that I have no say in your religion.
You are intolerant and arrogant when you say, "Go stand in the corner."
And that is exactly what this Office for Religious Freedom should be looking into.

Cheers all.
08:07 AM on 02/23/2013
How childish. Nothing? I guess whoever brainwashed you into thinking you "must" believe in something, (ie., what your elders decided you should believe in), never told you to believe in yourself. And before you go off on that infantile "if you believe in yourself then you are making yourself god" drivel, wake up. You want to believe in a supernatural magical cloud dweller, go right ahead. But don't for a minute think you are better than someone who merely wants one iota of evidence, a rational, honest person.
The adults are talking. Be quiet. Hush now.
heterodoxlibertarian
bleeding heart libertarian
04:22 PM on 02/22/2013
An office of religious freedom is defensible if it promotes complete freedom of religion for all faiths and, just as importantly, promotes freedom of thought and expression for those who have no faith whatsoever. Canada should champion individual liberty as key to human flourishing both at home and abroad.
06:02 PM on 02/23/2013
A fine comment. Wouldn't that require government intervention? I didn't think you went for that sort of thing?

Not trolling.
heterodoxlibertarian
bleeding heart libertarian
08:20 PM on 02/23/2013
I'm fine with government intervention so long as it makes us more free. Zero government is just as much at odds with freedom as total government. You need some. It's just a debate about the right level and I know you weren't trolling :)
04:15 PM on 02/22/2013
The irony of course is that most religions persecutions are perpetrated by those of other religions, or sects of the same religion.
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Free Again
08:27 AM on 02/23/2013
Or atheist communist regimes. Don't forget about them.
06:04 PM on 02/23/2013
There are no communist regimes, only authoritarian ones. Communism is still just an idea that's never had it's day in court because humans are incapable of acting in the interest of all. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Absolutely every time.
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lkvk101
A fools' paradise is a wise mans hell.
02:45 PM on 02/22/2013
I found out so much more about SCS and the fact that 23- 25% of canadas population are non-believers. It is also stated in this blog that Canadas National Anthem is theist and sexist....try changing that SCS! If atheists do not feel comfortable singing the national athem then don't sing it. Google SCS and read it for yourself whether you agree or not is up to you.
03:57 PM on 02/22/2013
I haven't sung the anthem for over thirty years and not because I am an atheist but rather the words have changed a lot.
08:12 AM on 02/23/2013
We do not feel comfortable signing about some imaginary, magical friend in the sky. So we are going to change it, eventually. You don't like the new words? Don't sing it. Try this "Hmmm, HMM, HM,hmmmm...
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lkvk101
A fools' paradise is a wise mans hell.
12:50 PM on 02/23/2013
I am replying to both of your posts. Look, I never said I don't like singing it...I told you atheists not to bother if they aren't comfortable with it. I won't sing it if it changes. As for your other post, I am a believer and have the faith that not everyone will be non-believers----it will end before that.  Satan causes murder and mayhem  My faith has gotten me through plenty of things in this life. I believe we are in the right place at the right time There are no "accidents" I believe the Son of Man will suffer much and be rejected by the people of this day.I believe that when my life is over, it isn't over. "And if I go,While you're still here...Know that I live on, vibrating to a different measure----behind a veil you cannot see through. You will not see me,so you must have faith. I wait for the time, when we can soar together again---both aware of each other. Until then, live your life to the fullestand when you need me,Just whisper my name in your heart.......I will be there.          
12:43 PM on 02/22/2013
Odd how we atheists are following a religion when the argument suits the believers, but are not when they are losing the argument. How convenient.
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Mr e MaN
Political Atheist
02:55 PM on 02/22/2013
I had to read this several times to get your point But i agree.
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Steve Lives
The Venus Project ... look it up
11:11 PM on 02/22/2013
And they always lose.
12:00 PM on 02/22/2013
Why weren't pastafarians included in the discussions?
08:13 AM on 02/23/2013
Harper has not been touched by his Noodley appendage.
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11:56 AM on 02/22/2013
"Where Do Atheists Belong in the Office of Religious Freedom?"

Nowhere I suspect - atheists do not believe in any deities or gods - isn't that what 'religions' are about?

Besides: Atheism is meant to be a non Prophet organization anyway.

"There are no atheists in the foxholes" [William Thomas Cummings I Saw the Fall of the Philippines]
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TRMS
Rally round the family, pocket full of shells
05:46 PM on 02/22/2013
"There are no atheists in the foxholes". Atheists not permitted to enlist? That's discrimination. ;)
08:14 AM on 02/23/2013
Because Atheists don't start wars.
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TRMS
Rally round the family, pocket full of shells
05:54 PM on 02/22/2013
...although, if there were more atheists, there would be less wars, and less foxholes for religious wars. People tend to kill each other over opposing religions, and think they'll be rewarded in the "afterlife". Once you accept that your lifespan is finite, you begin to respect the true life that you have, and you value the planet on which you live.
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10:02 AM on 02/23/2013
RE: TRMS "although, if there were more atheists, there would be less wars, and less foxholes for religious wars."

But would there not still be WARS about OIL, or GOLD, or wars about land ownership, or the philosophy of politics and government.

"People tend to kill each other over opposing religions, and think they'll be rewarded in the "afterlife".

Do you really believe, that there were no wars, which were fought, not about gods and religions - or that all wars were fought over "opposing religions"?

All WARS, as we know them, starting with the Great War (WWI), was fought over WEALTH and OWNERSHIP, and they were financed by the richest (ELITE) people (MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX) in this infinite world.

Do you also, honestly believe, that all of the people, that make up the entire Military Industrial Complex, are all church going religious following, God believing people - well they may believe in a god, but is it God of the light or god of the DARK FORCE.

Please search these titles:

- Secret memos expose link between oil firms and invasion of Iraq

- The Rothschilds Want Iran’s Banks
11:34 AM on 02/22/2013
We all have a fear of death, more so when we’re young, and have spent some appalling moments in the night reflecting on mortality. Answering a child’s questions on death and having them realize that it means them too can lead to a lot of anxiety. Why not simply weasel out of the question: tell them there is no death. And there you have it; that’s religion in a nutshell. Five thousand years of human history later, using that simple deception, religion has somehow morphed into the largest business in its infinite variety in every corner of the planet.