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PETA: Fighting for Its Right to Kill

Posted: 06/14/2012 7:13 pm

PETA may soon lose the right to kill healthy pets. As I and many others have verified, the headquarters of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals in Norfolk, Virginia kills 97 per cent of the animals delivered into its care.

Norfolk, however, may soon pass legislation to make the city a "No Kill" zone.

This is a remarkable development in the growing battle to deny PETA the right to liquidate pets at its so-called "Shelter of Last Resort." The group has already killed over 27,000 creatures. The new laws, a collaboration between the City Council and Nathan Winograd of the No Kill movement, would make PETA's life very difficult. It would either have to stop killing, or move.

It is an ongoing, hard-fought war. Former PETA employees, disgusted with the butchery they have witnessed in Norfolk, have called for PETA's founder, Ingrid Newkirk, not simply to resign, but to face charges. They argue that she ought to be held to the same standards that rightly applied to football player Michael Vick.

The new laws might not put Newkirk in prison, but they would prevent further slaughter.

PETA, however, is fighting the proposed legislation with every legal tool at its disposal: The group has filed a request, under the Freedom of Information Act, requiring the city to reveal its correspondence with Winograd, as a pressing matter of "public interest." Implied is a black conspiracy .

This would qualify as the world's least shady intrigue. A sinister FOIA request is hardly necessary: All you need do is ask. Which I did. Nathan Winograd was happily forthcoming. City Councilman Andy Protogyrou proposed that Norfolk become No Kill; an advocate then contacted Winograd, who offered to help draft legislation, as he has in numerous communities.

PETA's knives came out. Daphna Nachminovitch wrote an ominous letter to the mayor of Norfolk. I have written about Nachminovitch before: She styles herself the "Vice President" of PETA's "Cruelty Investigations Department." And she has personally signed off on the killing of thousands of shelter animals.

"I understand," Nachminovitch wrote, "that the same small group of people whose hysterical, incessant e-mails and calls brought about the severely crowded, filthy, and cruel conditions that animals were subjected to in 2007 are at it again."

What Nachminovitch "understands" is in dismal conflict with reality. I asked Winograd -- since he is guiding the current effort -- whether he was a member of this "same small group."

Norfolk in 2007? I was not involved at all. My understanding is that the shelter director wanted to stop killing, but did not advance any of the programs I advocate: like foster care, comprehensive adoption programs, pet retention efforts, TNR (Trap, Neuter, Release). And the effort failed.

So. This is not "same" group. It is a rather different group. Nor is this current group anything like "small": To PETA's dismay, the No Kill Community is a major national force, and growing worldwide.

Unfortunately, anyone can use the words "no kill" -- just as anyone can use the word "ethical." The No Kill Community is a very specific organization, however, with a very specific and meticulous protocol. Much harder work than simply refusing to kill, the program has been proven, again and again, to succeed.

PETA gets tremendous mileage out of deliberately confusing these two: benighted, self-styled "no kill" organizations (often abusive), with shelters that carefully follow Winograd's No Kill method. The two could not be more different. And PETA knows this.

Nachminovitch caps her fiction with a truly wondrous lie: "These are people who -- despite meaning well, perhaps -- have no actual sheltering experience whatsoever and in fact only take in a few dozen animals annually."

Shall we examine Winograd's lack of sheltering experience? He was, for instance, Director of Operations for the San Francisco SPCA, where he had 150 employees, including a dozen veterinarians and behaviorists. They had a full-service animal hospital, with some 30,000 animals treated annually. Each year they found homes for 5,000 animals.

Does Nachminovitch require another example? In Reno, Nevada, Winograd rewrote the agency's policies and procedures, fired 13 managers, and hired an entirely new team. "That agency sees almost 10,000 animals a year. They are now saving 91 per cent of animals."

PETA's record? "In 2011, PETA took in 2,029 companion animals, mostly dogs and cats, and killed all but 64 of them, which is 97 per cent."

Should you be a connoisseur of grim irony: PETA's grisly records were made public through the Freedom of Information Act. The 2011 kill report, a legal document, was signed by one "Daphna Nachminovitch, Vice President, Cruelty Investigations."

Meanwhile, Nathan Winograd consults with shelters across America who are saving a staggering number of dogs and cats and rabbits from the hypodermic. Flotillas of miraculous arks:

In fact, right now there are about 41 communities nationwide saving at least 90 per cent of the animals. They represent about 200 towns and cities across the country. Some of them are small, taking in a few hundred animals; some are quite large, taking in as many as 23,000 animals a year. All of them follow the model we pioneered to create the first No Kill community in the U.S.

There you have your "small" group of people, who see perhaps a "few dozen animals annually."

Ironically, the group painfully deficient in sheltering experience is PETA. While its preferred euphemism is "A Shelter of Last Resort," PETA's headquarters is in reality -- according to government records filed by Newkirk and Nachminovitch -- an astonishingly efficient killing facility.

In short, PETA, who asserts when cornered that it does not run an actual shelter, are disparaging the experience of one of the most seasoned shelter directors in the nation. A man who has lectured on animal sheltering at Cornell, America's foremost veterinary college.

Yes, all of this is very much in the public interest. Even more important: it is in the interest of America's shelter animals, 4 million of whom will be slaughtered next year.

The historic nature of the showdown in Norfolk cannot be overstated. It will change the landscape of animal welfare in the United States. Norfolk is ground zero in the Right to Kill movement: Everyone who regards it as their duty to kill animals takes their cue from PETA. High-kill shelters look to the lady in Norfolk to rationalize their choices. To make them feel like good people.

If Norfolk properly implements No Kill, PETA will be devastated. Its butchery will be rendered illegal; its propaganda will be revealed as a chorus of lies; and organizations around the world who look to PETA for permission to kill healthy pets will be left without cover.

Ingrid Newkirk tells us that, "No one despises the ugly reality of euthanizing animals more than the people who hold the syringe." Stirring words. And a few miles shy of the truth. I despise this ugly reality far more than Newkirk does, I assure you. As do Winograd and the legions of animal lovers worldwide devoted to ending this vicious practice.

If Nathan Winograd and the Norfolk City Council succeed, then hard laws will bar this vile cult, permanently, from their current role as PWHS: the People Who Hold the Syringe.


(Part Two of this article addresses PETA's spurious arguments against the No Kill Community: hoarding, and the myth of overpopulation. You can read Douglas Cooper's complete expose of PETA's pet-killing practices starting here).

 
 
 

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05:25 PM on 07/10/2012
I'm not a big fan of PETA, but to be fair, isn't this facility a euthanasia clinic not an adoption agency? They are doing exactly what they advertise. Why has common sense been lost in this conversation?
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03:51 AM on 07/18/2012
If they were up front about this -- that they were a killing facility -- then people who gave them animals would have known that death was in store, no? Whereas that's simply not the case here:

http://nokillnow.com/PETAIngridNewkirkResign.htm

I urge you to read this: it includes a number of quotations from veterinarians and rescue workers who delivered healthy animals to PETA, expecting them to be re-homed. The pets were killed, generally on the same day.

(And no, before you suggest it: this site is not maintained by the meat lobby.)
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04:28 PM on 06/21/2012
Some further facts about Reno, Nevada, in response to the slander below. Yes, Reno is very much No Kill: a 91% save rate. Nathan Winograd adds:

The end result of all these programs is not only one of the highest save rates in the nation, but also great public perception of the agency. Before the changes, we did a series of Town Hall-type meetings and surveys to determine how the Washoe County (Reno), NV community felt about its shelter, the Nevada Humane Society. Those efforts revealed deep dissatisfaction in the community, especially among animal welfare stakeholders (rescue groups, feral cat caretakers, No Kill shelters, and others) with the job being done. The vast majority did not believe the humane society was doing enough to save lives.

Not surprisingly, public perception today stands in sharp contrast to what it was. With the help of the Reno Gazette Journal, a community survey in January 2009 revealed that:

93% support the No Kill initiative;

95% gave the humane society positive ratings on adoption efforts and results; and,

93% say NHS has a good or great public image.

I would say, simply, the animals and the good people of Washoe County beg to differ with the comment.
07:03 PM on 06/21/2012
Those who cannot prove their point compensate by having the truth removed. How very No Killish. You quote a 3 year old very limited survey that was slanted during the taking. I actually lived in Reno at the time and among those called because I was a subscriber. Lets keep this simple, Reno has no shelter, yep no Reno Shelter. Can anyone here name the Shelter in Reno responsible for taking animals from the public. How about the agency that enforces the law. To find the truth about Reno and it's convoluted shelter nightmare read delawarecapa.blogspot.com..The Nevada Humane Society is bleeding a million bucks a year. Winograd does not even know the name of the shelter he claims
.http://www.washoecounty.us/repository/files/44/Professional%20Services%20Agreement%20between%20NHS%20and%20Washoe%20County.pdf


That's the agreement that NHS is not following.
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09:21 PM on 06/21/2012
Those who cannot defend what they say post comments under anonymous names....How very PETAish. You aren't fooling anyone here.....
And your comment was removed for violating posting guidelines and Mr. Cooper didn't have anything to do with it's removal.
You know, contrary to what you might think, you can't just write anything about someone without some PROOF to back it up.....It's called libel and Nathan Winograd is a lawyer.
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09:50 PM on 06/21/2012
There are two shelters in Reno. The Nevada Humane Society and Washoe County Regional Animal services. The enforcement agency who takes in all strays is WCRAS.

I think we now know who you are. Beyond a shadow of a doubt.
08:43 PM on 06/20/2012
I hate lies and failure to investigate prior to writing. Reno is not No Kill Winograd did go there in 2006 and screwed up a really good shelter by reccomending Bonney Brown. I don't think he "fired" 13 managers because the Nevada Humane Society never had 13 managers. The policy changes Bonney Brown put in place put the Nevada Humane Society in direct conflict with it's aggreement with Washoe County. I know I worked there when he came in. What he doesn't like to talk about is his prized " convert " at Washoe County Animal Services took a " voluntary retirement" after 2 years on the job. Washoe County declined
" No Kill" June 23, 2009 it's online. Mr. Winograd is trying to come back to California, and Marilyn Reese, you don't want him here. One seminar does not a leader make. Mr. Winograd needs to be careful in his lies about Nevada., even those of us who have moved away are sick of being associated with the loser. Google " Mike Stark No Kill or Torture " or any of the truthful articles out there which expose this " movement" ( good word ) for what it is.
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averagezoe
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11:14 PM on 06/20/2012
I've never been to NV, but what you're saying sounds completely believable. Winograd is a dreamer who means well, but he has no grasp on reality. I will not go into all the things that would have to be changed if the US was really going to become a no-kill nation because it's just a fantasy anyway. Am going to fan you for being honest.
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12:03 AM on 06/21/2012
AnotherPointOfView: a few questions. One: who are you? Were you, or friends of yours, fired by Nathan Winograd? Are you the same person as HonestyHelps? Are you the person who calls herself Harve Morgan, and claims (falsely) to run a rescue in San Bernardino? Any relation to her?

Once we get that cleared up, I'll deal with the facts on the ground in Nevada. But I want to have some idea what kind of character we're dealing with here.
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03:03 AM on 06/21/2012
Waiting for an answer here. What you've said is vicious, and -- if untrue -- libel. So put your name to it. Who are you?

"AnotherPointOfView." Yes, but whose?

And averagezoe, you seem like a nice person, but a bit credulous. This strikes you as "honest"?
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averagezoe
Don't breed or buy while homeless animals die!
07:16 PM on 06/20/2012
Part 3: We literally go through hell trying to save animals - I often spend many days and nights camped out in my car watching a trap, I personally spend hundreds of dollars on vet care, I keep these dogs (and cats) in my home for up to a year in order to make sure they are physically and emotionally ready for adoption. No responsible rescuer would consider letting an animal go to a sub-standard home or adopt out an animal that he/she felt was not 100% ready. So, Mr. Cooper, you sit on your computer and look at all those fictitious statistics while telling yourself that no-kill is a piece of cake. Go out and form a rescue group, get down in the trenches with us, get a real feel for what it's like and then we can talk again.
08:03 PM on 06/20/2012
Couldn't have said it better myself!!!!!
Yes, he's researched and tallied up the stats, but so what?? Means nothing in the real world........
There is a really ugly side to animal rescue, one he and most have never witnessed.
People out there playing God with their charges, "saving" as many as they can get their hands on, meanwhile these poor souls exist, with pus filled eyes, oozing ears, matted to the skin, crawling in parasites...... but HEY! They get food, water & shelter...............they've been saved from euthanasia. No thanks
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08:59 PM on 06/20/2012
Once again: hoarding has never been an issue with shelters that follow the rigorous No Kill protocol. This is PETA's favorite trick: deliberately confusing animal hoarders (who may use the words "no kill", but have nothing to do with the proven method) and the No Kill Community, which has nothing whatsoever to do with them.

Equating No Kill with hoarding is, quite simply, libel.
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averagezoe
Don't breed or buy while homeless animals die!
09:22 PM on 06/20/2012
I'd very much like to hear about your personal experiences, rescue efforts, etc. since I completely agree with you - there is such a thing as quality vs. quantity of life and it applies to animals as well as humans, I believe.
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averagezoe
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07:11 PM on 06/20/2012
Part 2: Rescue groups rely on their members to take home rescued animals while they wait for adoption. Almost all cities have pet limits and most members are reluctant to take more than allowed since they have full-time jobs and families. I once lived in a Midwestern city where Animal Control went door to door every year to ascertain that no household had more than the legal limit and my group members and volunteers were terrified of exceeding that number. Although I was never afraid to fly in the face of the bureaucrats, my group members were. So that puts a significant damper on the number of pets any group can conceivably rescue.Going back to your 20% of the 17 million - just how many of the 3.4 million are responsible pet owners? I wrote our adoption application myself and we do not adopt to anyone who a. plans to keep a dog outside, b. plans to keep a dog in a crate inisde, c. does not pass the vet and reference check and c. fails the home check. Based on my 26 years of experience, that eliminates more than 50% of potential adopters. And if you believe that any home is better than none, you should find new homes for your 4 dogs and never again speak about animal rescue.
11:59 PM on 06/21/2012
I do hope you realize that in your rescue you would probably fail either the application or home check that YOU wrote, and thus would be included in that 50% unsuitable adopters category. Your personal pets include 7 dogs and 32 cats? If you tried to get another animal from a rescue that is not the one who employs you, they would never in a million years adopt to you. You would not be considered a "responsible pet owner" by anyone who looked at you as merely an application and home visit. Yet I assume you are a great animal caregiver. So don't throw stones. There are certainly more than 50% of all potential adopters that would be wonderful pet parents. It's the overly complicated, overly strenuous adoption processes that push people away from many rescues in the first place. If you are there to judge and ready to deny half of your applicants, of course people are going to go "breed or buy while homeless animals die!" Which only, of course, causes more animals to sit waiting to be rescued or end up as healthy euthanasia. I have had several people come into the rescue where I work and tell me that other rescues are complicated and uninviting and that's why they have avoided adopting a shelter pet before. So it is YOU, my friend, who are causing problems. Not the people who are out there trying to educate the public and change public policies about pets.
09:12 AM on 07/21/2012
32 cats and 7 dogs!!!!! There is no way any of those poor animals are getting any nurturing or very good care. There just aren't enough hours in one persons day to do it all. Frankly I would call you a hoarder. Apparenlty you live in one of those southern states where even the dog warden does not care.
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averagezoe
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06:56 PM on 06/20/2012
Mr. Cooper: I will try to be a succinct as possible, but it may take two postings to address your statements. While I'm glad that you take care of 4 dogs, to me, whose current personal pets number 7 dogs and 32 cats, this is not impressive. I can't offer statistics because there is no way to arrive at accurate numbers when it comes to animals being euthanized in the US each year. Animal control in small towns and rural areas typically employ a local farmer who rounds up the dogs and cats and drowns them in his backyard - these numbers are not reflected in the estimates. And estimating the number of animals on the streets is an impossibility unless you have scoured each and every square inch of the country. Let's put aside your hard on for PETA and assume for the sake of argument that these 17 million heads of household you mentioned are going to acquire a pet in the coming year (although these results are something even Mr. Gallup could not have secured) and that, as you state, 20% of those are willing to adopt. Large organizations such as the SPCA and the HSUS have actual shelters and the number of incoming and outgoing animals is a bit easier to track, but there are roughly 14,000 rescue groups on Petfinder in addition to all the smaller rescue groups who do not have the resourses to establish a Petfinder site.
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07:27 PM on 06/20/2012
I am in no way suggesting that my having four dogs is somehow heroic: simply that it's my reason for this being what you term a "personal vendetta." That's all. I'm also involved in rescue, yes: although the work you are doing is vastly more impressive. No question about it. That said, you are *undoing* all of that work by refusing to open your mind to the very real success of No Kill.

The statistics will always be rough, but these ones are widely accepted by people on *both sides* of the issue. They're not just stabs in the dark. And your refusal to accept that they are in fact realistic is doing real damage to the cause.

You don't in fact *need* to accept the numbers. All you have to do is examine and acknowledge the success of the No Kill protocol wherever it has been properly implemented. This you cannot dismiss as wild statistical speculation: it's fully documented fact.

http://www.no-killnews.com/?page_id=8

When you dismiss this fact, you hurt animals. Which, as I say, is precisely the opposite of what your life is devoted to.
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averagezoe
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10:17 PM on 06/20/2012
I needed no more than your link to "no-killnews" to realize that you are indeed living in la la land. After reading the first page, I randomly clicked on one city - one I unfortunately came to know quite well after being more or less forced to live there for 3 years. According to the site information, Animal Control is now in private hands and local no-kill advocates are making great strides. Nothing could be further from the truth. The date quoted was 2011 and I was there. I know for a fact that Animal Control euthanized 800 + animals each month, the number of animals on the street was astronomical, there is no enforcement of animal cruelty laws because police officers are prohibited by city ordinance to get involved in animal related isssues, there is dog fighting going on in public places without any repercussions, dogs are routinely left to die in backyards - I was there, on the scene, I lived it, I saw it, I tried to do what I could against all odds. You really, really need to stop taking everything you see on line at face value. It is not the reality. I don't think you are an evil person, but you buy into whatever the computer feeds you and it is not real life. You have absolutely no idea what goes on out here.
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10:38 AM on 06/20/2012
Part Two of this piece is now live on HuffPo: "Why Is PETA Opposing No-Kill Animal Shelters?" http://huff.to/MtyXol

Thank you for all who tweeted, shared, reposted this one. It is now by far the most-read article in the PETA series. Please do the same with Part Two: you have my permission to repost it in its entirety.

We WILL achieve No Kill in Norfolk.
08:54 AM on 06/20/2012
I am involved in the Norfolk rescue/sheltering community. I would guess that our situation is not unique, though the pressure from PETA may be stronger here than in other places.

Local advocates of No-Kill are not asking for euthanasia to simply stop without a larger plan in place. That is unrealistic. They are asking Norfolk City Council to move towards a higher save rate, which takes time and encompasses many components. Some local agencies (in Norfolk and in surrounding cities) are already working on these components and are on the same page as PETA in regard to reducing overpopulation (and thus euthanasia); unfortunately, PETA is polarizing this issue.

PETA is spreading misinformation, and their arguments are illogical. They refer to a situation at the city shelter five years ago, when the shelter was not headed by animal welfare professionals and was without the current wonderful staff and volunteers. These people would not allow the situation to deteriorate the way it did in 2007.

With their money and power, it would be nice to see PETA instead enable ways for all involved parties to work towards a mutually shared goal - more lives saved.
03:20 PM on 06/20/2012
Ahhh, a voice of reason...............:)
01:50 PM on 06/19/2012
PETA is in the business of deceiving people who don't know any better. I am a vegan who supports stronger anti-cruelty legislation and enforcement, and I believe that other animals are sentient creatures that do have inherent rights that humans should acknowledge and respect.

And I despise PETA. They are evil. Every time I see some moronic celebrity doing a free campaign for them, I feel sick.

PETA kills animals. They deceive people who don't have the time or inclination to research them before supporting them. And they make everyone else think that PETA represents animal rights advocates, giving all of us a bad name.
09:45 PM on 06/19/2012
I'm also a vegan and know there are many other vegans who learnt of animal rights & adopted their now cruelty-free lifestyle because of PETA. No organisation is infallible however it is difficult to comprehend how anyone who grasps that most of the world's 7odd billion inhabitants don't give a damn about the welfare/ rights of other animals, could hate an organisation whois opposed to cruelty. Surely when considering the overwhelming disregard for the lives of nonhumans, the word 'evil' is best reserved for those who directly contribute to the cruelty. The claims related to PETA's treatment of healthy domesticated animals remain controversial.

The Centre for Consumer Freedom published the website 'petakills...' - please look up who funds the CCF. These mega animal exploiters would applaud your view, just as they must have N.Winograd and the author of this blog listed as their heroes; heroes who run an efficient anti-PETA campaign and allow the mega-exploiters to spend more of their time building abbatoirs and torturing animals in factory farms. The welfare of all nonhumans is interrelated so any endeavor to distinguish between the lives of domestic and farmed animals is to create a false dichotomy.

Researching PETA's website and their detailed explanations for the actions they take (acknowledging that rogue employees can present in any field) it is a relief for the billions of the earth's animals that this organisation exists. In regards to this present discussion, do you really want to encourage the breeding of domestic animals ?
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averagezoe
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11:52 PM on 06/19/2012
I am not disputing the statistics regarding PETA because I don't know the facts, but this rabid condemnation of the organization by Mr. Cooper smacks of a personal vendetta. I may not agree with PETA on some issues, but I give them credit for a lot of positive things they've done. As an animal welfare advocate and president of a rescue group, I know for a fact that this no-kill movement is a fallacy and the arguments in its favor are specious. Under the current conditions, with the overpopulation of homeless pets spiraling out of control, breeding running rampant and useless laws remaining unenforced, nothing short of a miracle could save them all - mere human efforts most certainly can't.
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12:48 AM on 06/20/2012
So, you are saying that it's okay for PETA to kill over 20,000 companion animals because they turned you into a vegan? I've read their excuses for why they kill, and I find them dishonest. You have to learn that the No Kill Movement has NOTHING (can I shout that a bit louder?) to do with the slaughter houses, factory farms or the CCF. Yes, we both have issues with PETA, but we are not supported by, paid by, or in bed with them. The No Kill Movement does encourage spay/neuter to prevent back yard litters and opposes puppy mills. Personally I will never buy ANYTHING in a store that sells puppies or kittens, unless they are hosting shelter or rescue animals instead of brokered animals. You really need to see that PETA's stance against No Kill is not in the best interest of the companion animals. Well, unless you are of the belief that the dogs and cats and rabbits are better off dead than being forced to be live with and be loved by humans, and in that case I wish you well in your lonely, bitter life.
08:16 PM on 06/20/2012
If you truly believe that animals are sentinent beings, feelings and fears; why is it okay for No Kill to market them like Teddy Bears ?
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08:57 PM on 06/20/2012
Er... as opposed to *kill* them?

Because it helps get them adopted. Which is good.
12:57 PM on 06/19/2012
Forget about PETA for a minute and address the real problem.
What do "no kill" advocates propose to do with these millions of unwanted animals?
Shall we warehouse them? Have them live out their natural lives in a cage amongst hundreds of others, all barking, stressed & depressed to the point of insanity, pacing neurotically in their own excrement?
I've seen it, it is so horribly sad I would gladly insert the needle myself to save them one more second of this existance.
No kill sounds all warm and fuzzy. Do you honestly believe homes could be found for these animals? Do the math, there are literally millions more animals than there are homes for them.
We need to address the problem, puppy mills, backyard breeders, pet shops etc etc etc. Until laws are passed PREVENTING the situation we are in now, this problem will only get worse.
Until then, what do we do with these poor souls? Let them exist in misery so our consciences don't have to deal with the decision to euthanize?
Many of these animals had a home once, they were loved, had a warm bed of their own to sleep in. Would you rather see your dog live out it's natural life in a cage? I would choose quick, humane euthanasia in a heartbeat.
That is the harsh reality, stop blasting PETA or shelters that euthanize as opposed to warehouse.
There are far worse things than death............
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05:00 PM on 06/19/2012
Lori, to answer your question: "What do 'no kill' advocates propose to do with these millions of unwanted animals?" I deal with this at length in tomorrow's piece, but the quick answer is this:

Roughly 3 million shelter animals requiring adoption annually -- PETA agrees with this. There are roughly 17 million people, however -- according to an HSUS/Maddie's Fund survey -- who will be taking in a pet next year, but have not decided where that pet is to come from. Hence, if you convince a mere 20% of those people to adopt from a shelter, you can end the killing.

"Killing or hoarding" is simply a false dichotomy. It is based on a fundamental statistical error: on a national level, overpopulation is a myth. Nathan WInograd's program has strict safeguards against abuse; none of the shelters that follow the official No Kill Community's protocol have been engaged in hoarding. (Anyone can use the words "no kill.")

The corollary: if you kill healthy pets, you are killing unnecessarily. Which is ugly.
09:26 PM on 06/19/2012
With all due respect, I am hearing alot of statistics, but no solutiuons. If we stopped all euthanasia as of this minute, the fact remains there are not enough people willing to adopt the millions of animals in need of homes.
The solution? Warehousing.
Then there's the conundrum of what to do with the unadoptable. They may be perfectly healthy, are they condemned to live out their lives in a shelter?
For anyone to adopt a blanket "no kill" policy leaves the door wide open to neglect, housing for profit, sub standard care etc etc
When did humane euthanasia become so unacceptable?
05:29 PM on 06/19/2012
How many dogs and cats enter shelters annually? 8 million. (Some put it as low as 6 million, but I am going to use a “worst case” scenario.)

Of those how many are savable? 90 percent or just over 7 million.

Of those how many will be saved? 4 million.

How many of the savable animals are killed? 3 million.

How many need to find new homes? If shelters are doing their jobs comprehensively, just over 2 million (3 million on the high end). The remainder should be increased reclaims or in the case of feral cats, TNR’d.

Other than those who will adopt from a shelter as a matter of course (those saved above), how many people in the U.S. are looking to bring a new dog or cat into their home next year but have not decided where they will get the animal and can be influenced to adopt from a shelter? 17 million.

So, 17 million people for 2-3 million dogs and cats.

Has this happened anywhere? Yes, there are many communities which have hit the 90th percentile in save rates.

How long did it take them? They did it virtually overnight when new leadership committed to the No Kill philosophy and passionate about saving lives replaced long standing bureaucrats mired in defeatism and excuse making.

Are shelters doing all they can to influence those people to adopt from them? This is a rhetorical question.
10:05 PM on 06/19/2012
The above quote, from Nathan Winograd, is supported by a Maddie's Fund/HSUS study which can be found here: http://www.maddiesfund.org/Resource_Library/The_Shelter_Pet_Project_By_the_Numbers.html

It is worth noting, however, that Winograd came to this conclusion himself in 2007 book, Redemption, using data from the American Veterinary Medical Association, the American Animal Hospital Association, the Pet Food Manufacturers Association, and the latest census at the time.

"When I argue that pet overpopulation is a myth, I'm not saying that we can all go home," he said. "And I'm not saying that there aren't certain people who are irresponsible with their animals. And I'm not saying that there aren't a lot of animals entering shelters. Again, I'm not saying that it wouldn't be better if there were fewer of them being impounded. But it does mean that the problem is not insurmountable and it does mean that we can do something short of killing for all savable animals today."

Redemption makes the case that bad shelter management leads to overcrowding, which is then confused with pet overpopulation. Instead of warehousing and killing animals, shelters, he says, should be using proven, innovative programs to find those homes he says are out there. They should wholeheartedly adopt the movement known as No Kill, and stop using killing as a form of population control.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/10/02/petscol.DTL#ixzz1yILl2yeJ
12:26 PM on 06/19/2012
Documents obtained from the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services show that People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) killed 97 percent of the animals in its care in 2011. Since 1998, PETA has killed more than 27,000 animals at its headquarters in Norfolk, VA. Despite calling itself a “shelter,” the majority of animals––roughly 90 percent––were killed within 24 hours.

Dr. Daniel Kovich, of the Virginia Department of Agriculture, investigated PETA’s headquarters in 2010 to determine if PETA should continue to be classified as a shelter. According to Virginia code, “a shelter means a facility…that is used to house or contain animals…for the purpose of finding permanent adoptive homes for animals.”

After inspecting PETA’s headquarters, Dr. Kovich found that “PETA does not operate a facility that meets the statutory definition of an animal shelter as the primary purpose is not to find permanent adoptive homes for animals.”
12:56 PM on 06/19/2012
Following the site visit, Dr. Kovich noted the following:

(1) “The receptionist stated that PETA did not operate an animal shelter. When I indicated that PETA did report to operate an animal shelter and that this office has inspected in it in the past, an additional staff member was called to the desk and reiterated that there was no shelter.”

(2) “The facility contains three rooms designated as animal enclosures. The rooms are not further subdivided into runs or cages. The three animals occupying the rooms were not being held for adoption. The facility does not contain sufficient animal enclosures to routinely house the number of animals annually reported as taken into custody.”

(3) “290 animal custody records [for 2010] were reviewed. 17 or 6% were recorded as adopted or in foster homes, 273 or 94% were recorded as euthanized. Of these, 245 or 90% were euthanized within the first 24 hours of custody.”

(4) “The shelter is not accessible to the public, promoted, or engaged in efforts to facilitate the adoption of animals taken into custody. PETA reception has historically been unaware of the existence of an animal shelter, and has stated to enquiring members of the public that no such facility exists. PETA has published suggested guidelines for animal shelters on their website that…their own facility does not satisfy…”
12:57 PM on 06/19/2012
(5) “Previous inspections of [PETA’s] office have found no animals to be housed in the facility, or few animals in custody. Review of submitted annual animal record summaries by PETA…does not support that the facility has a primary intent to find permanent adoptive homes for companion animals.

PETA has argued in the past that all of the animals it kills are “unadoptable.” But this claim strains credulity: the data on PETA kill rates come from the State of Virginia’s reporting form which only asks for data for animals taken into custody “for the purpose of adoption;” PETA refuses to provide its criteria for making that determination; rescue groups and individuals have come forward stating that the animals they gave PETA were healthy and adoptable; testimony under oath in court from a veterinarian showed that PETA was given healthy and adoptable animals who were later found dead by PETA’s hands, their bodies unceremoniously thrown away in a supermarket dumpster; according to the Daily Caller, “two PETA employees described as ‘adorable’ and ‘perfect’ some of the dogs and cats they killed in the back of a PETA-owned van;” PETA’s founder has admitted they kill “adoptable” animals; and when asked what efforts they make to find animals homes, PETA told the Daily Caller that they had “no comment.”
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12:57 PM on 06/21/2012
PETA needs the designation of "shelter" revoked and they should be honest in calling their headquarters what it is, which is a slaughterhouse.
10:31 AM on 06/19/2012
I would like to know, sincerely, how many "shelter cages" PETA has at its Norfolk facility. I watched the documentary on Ingrid Newkirk and didn't see any.

My understanding is that PETA does not really run a shelter, but they do (or did) provide humane euthanasia services to surrounding areas where "animal control" was gassing or otherwise inhumanely killing animals. That would certainly inflate their statistics. I am not in Norfolk and cannot see for myself.

No Kill has its own issues. When San Francisco went "no kill" that translated to limited admission (we'll only take what we have open cages for) and intake and euthanasia rates in surrounding areas skyrocketed. No Kill has to be community-wide, e.g., Maddie's Fund model.
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09:41 AM on 06/19/2012
"They argue that she ought to be held to the same standards that rightly applied to football player Michael Vick."

I disagree. What Vick got for what he did was far too lenient. This woman has made it her mission in life to rid the planet of animals, and she's starting with your pets. She has publicly said that having pets is like having a slave, and it is better to put an animal out of that misery than to allow it to continue to live. And yet so many people are blinded by what they think PETA is all about. Sure, on the outside you see this and say, "Wow, they really care about animals, I'm going to support them." But do your research and you will see, the animals they get, don't make it out of their grasp alive. And guess who's money they are using to do that with. YOURS!
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06:57 PM on 06/19/2012
http://truth-out.org/news/item/8459-thinking-about-mitt-romney-and-seamus-michael-vick-and-dog-fighting-and-eating-animals

The problem is that eating animals is, as a matter of moral analysis, no different from dog fighting
01:18 PM on 06/25/2012
not just "eating animals", but also their secretions (the former leads to vegetarianism which does nothing for the victims...)

meat = milk = eggs = dog fighting = wool = honey
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08:45 AM on 06/19/2012
the sadness
of this double
edged sword,
some act of
kindness,
while others
we abhor
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ottabox
What would coyote do?
08:42 AM on 06/19/2012
The 'No-Kill" folks should perhaps throw MOST of their energy into 'No-birth' activism.
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12:23 AM on 06/20/2012
"No-birth" means extinction. That's what it means. No more dogs; no more cats. This is in fact what Ingrid Newkirk favors. Do you?

Because I can't think of a more repulsive position.

(I responded to this before, but it somehow never appeared.)
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ottabox
What would coyote do?
08:28 AM on 06/20/2012
No-birth was a play on words and meant reduce populations. You sure can go over the top with your paranoia.
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09:55 AM on 06/20/2012
Excuse me? "Zero-birth nation" are Ingrid Newkirk's PRECISE WORDS. It's their stated goal as an organization. This isn't paranoia -- it's genuine revulsion.
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12:58 PM on 06/21/2012
Sad that most PETA followers have difficultly understanding the words they spew....