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Why Is PETA Opposing No-Kill Animal Shelters?

Posted: 06/20/2012 8:05 am

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals employs only one argument in defense of its right to kill adoptable shelter pets. This is an abuse called "hoarding." It is in fact an especially vile form of cruelty -- animals are warehoused in filthy, overcrowded cages, where they then die, slowly and in misery.

This, we are told, is the reason that PETA's founder, Ingrid Newkirk, is busy trying to prevent No Kill legislation from being passed in the group's home town of Norfolk, Virginia.

Nathan Winograd's famous No Kill program, Newkirk would have us believe, leads to hoarding. Hence the right to kill is sacrosanct.

I am still not entirely sure how this excuses PETA's slaughter of tens of thousands of shelter animals, many of them not the least sick or antisocial. How does this work? PETA's total revenues in 2011 were well over 32.3 million dollars. Let me see: If PETA had not killed the healthy ones, they would have had to hoard them, rather than pay a few dollars to take care of them?

Still, hoarding is not trivial. Newkirk's observation is beyond dispute: hoarded animals are miserable. They "become withdrawn, severely depressed, or aggressive." What is disputed, however, is the notion that the occasional hoarder makes it acceptable for all shelters to simply kill pets when they run out of space. "Some fates truly are worse than death," says Newkirk. Yes. But most are not.

This is the issue. You will search in vain for further arguments against Winograd's No Kill Community. It is PETA's mantra: His program simply means hoarding.

If this reasoning is valid, then PETA can in fact claim something of an ethical agenda, despite its slaughter. If it is not, however, PETA becomes a very ugly reality themselves: a group willing to go to war over its right to murder healthy pets unnecessarily.

Hence, we ought to examine this argument with care.

We have PETA's official position. It would be useful to know the official No Kill stance on hoarding. It turns out to be -- no surprise -- pretty much the opposite of PETA's characterization. In Winograd's words:

There is no question that the effects of hoarding are tragic: animals wallow in their own waste, are denied food and water for long periods of time, do not get necessary veterinary care, are sometimes crammed into cages and do not receive walks or regular exercise, all of which results in tremendous suffering and death. Hoarding is cruel, painful, and abhorrent. But what does it have to do with the No Kill movement? The answer is nothing.


Instances of hoarding are rare, and even so, Winograd's program is based on successful legislation in California that has ironclad safeguards against this kind of neglect.

PETA's insistence that No Kill must cause hoarding rests, crucially, upon the premise of overpopulation. They assume -- in fact, most people assume -- that there are far more shelter pets than potential adopters.

The math, however, turns out to be quite surprising.

To end the shelter killing of adoptable animals, PETA notes correctly, we would have to find homes for about 3 million creatures. This is what Winograd identifies as the supply side. He then urges you to consider the demand side: Every year in the US, according to a national survey by HSUS/Maddie's Fund, "you have roughly 17 million people who will acquire an animal but have not decided where that animal will come from."

Comparing supply and demand reveals an astonishing fact: "If we can convince just 20 per cent of those to adopt from a shelter, we could zero out the killing."

This is not rocket science. It is, however science. And it is an applied science, requiring adherence to an unvarying formula: The rigorous equation specified by the No Kill Community is the only one proven to work: "Nothing else has succeeded."

The self-styled "no kill" shelters that fail -- the wrenching examples that PETA trumpets in their propaganda -- are the ones that ignore the methodology. They imagine that all they have to do is refuse to kill, even as their shelters become monstrously overcrowded. These people are naive; they are dangerous; and -- crucially -- they are in no way connected to Nathan Winograd's organization.

The proven method involves a series of necessary steps, and there is no leeway for freewheeling creativity here, any more than there is when performing mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. If you do it wrong, you are no better than anyone who actively kills.

If you do it right, however, it works. Period. The population figures, far from rendering it impossible, render it successful. No Kill -- defined as a euthanasia rate of not more than 10 per cent -- has been achieved wherever it has been strictly implemented.

Many well-meaning shelter workers dismiss this calculus as utopian, because it goes contrary to everything they witness daily. Winograd sympathizes: "The problem is that the person who runs the rescue group can't see this because he is in the trenches."

Our purview of supply and demand tends to be local, and easily skewed by propaganda. A starving family in North Korea will naturally refuse to believe that there is a vast grain surplus in America.

Overpopulation is often very real on a local level, but on the national level it is a myth. An illusion. Which is why No Kill does in fact work: The notion that hoarding is mathematically determined -- that it is an inevitable result of refusing to slaughter shelter animals -- is a statistical fallacy.

Nathan Winograd is adamant:

Animal hoarding is the result of mental illness, and is not as common as many animal protection organizations would have us believe. Psychologists estimate that only 2 per cent of the population suffers from hoarding, and of those, not all of them "collect" animals -- many collect inanimate objects. By contrast, killing is endemic to animal shelters in the U.S. In fact, killing is the number one cause of death for healthy dogs and cats in the United States. At your "average" shelter, an animal has a 50 per cent chance of being killed, compared to the rare chance of ending up with a hoarder.


Winograd sees hoarding as simply the passive version of PETA -- it is killing by neglect, rather than syringe. And these criminal shelters are tarnishing the words "no kill," just as PETA has blackened the words "animal rights."

"I have never defended abuse and neglect, just because a rescue group calls themselves 'No Kill.' I have been working to bring accountability to shelters, including No Kill shelters, by codifying standards into law." No need to take him at his word here: Winograd has a lengthy, documented track record when it comes to the prevention of hoarding. Some of it thwarted, ironically enough, by PETA itself.

In 2009, Winograd was hired by the Houston health department to assess the city's shelter system, and his 196-page report detailed appalling examples of neglect: overcrowding, filth, preventable sickness. PETA's response?

"PETA defended the agency, telling city officials not to listen to me."

It happened again in King County, Washington in 2008. Winograd's 170-page report included evidence of hoarding. Yet PETA defended this agency too, and instituted a series of robocalls to area residents, telling them to call the Commission and urge them not to embrace No Kill principles."

Newkirk's hypocrisy here is just awe-inspiring:

PETA only pretends to care about neglect and abuse when there is no killing. If there is also killing, as there was in King County and Houston, they look the other way at the abuse. It is unconscionable.


Winograd hastens to add: "Houston and King County are making headway. They did not listen to PETA."

Perhaps the most sickening aspect of PETA's assault on the No Kill movement is that it blocks groups from rescuing animals in high-kill shelters. Winograd's model legislation makes it illegal to kill a shelter animal unless "rescue groups have been contacted and are not willing to save the animal."

The practical consequences of not passing this law are nauseating: rescuers are inevitably barred from these shelters. "A statewide survey in New York found that 71 per cent of rescue groups have been turned away by shelters which then killed the very animals they offered to save." In Florida the number is 63 per cent.

Winograd succeeded with the legislation in California: "Before this, only about 12,000 animals were being transferred from shelters to rescue groups statewide per year. That number now stands at almost 60,000.

"But when we tried to pass a similar law in Florida last year, PETA fought against it and won."

Think about this. You have rescuers ready and willing to save animals from certain death in a shelter, and PETA is fighting to deny them access.

The battle is escalating. PETA's latest salvo is a list of 43 situations in which no-kill sheltering has failed miserably. The problem? Forty of them have nothing to do with Nathan Winograd's movement.

"I have personal knowledge of three," he tells me. "And all three are inaccurate."

The very first example is the supposed failure of No Kill in Austin, Texas.

From the roughly 45 per cent kill rate it once had to the 91 per cent save rate that the city now has, how is No Kill leading to more killing? PETA has simply made it up.

So we have one of No Kill's signal successes, dressed up by PETA to look like a calamity.

The list slanders Doug Rae, the former Animal Care and Control Director in Indianapolis. Rae was removed not for incompetence, but because he began firing abusive staff. They belonged to a powerful union. "Doug was in fact cornered in the washroom and threatened with physical violence by a union employee, who has since been rehired."

Winograd is familiar with only one other incident on the list: a non-incident in Porter County, Indiana. This was a prediction, by a man employed for 11 years by the Humane Society of the United States, that a No Kill shelter would encourage hoarding. HSUS has an abysmal history of cheering for PETA's approach to killing. Hence, their predictions are somewhat predictable. Note that no hoarding actually took place.

Ingrid Newkirk's equating the No Kill Community with hoarding is not simply a bad argument. It is not simply counterfactual, and utterly hypocritical. It is libel.

Winograd finds it appalling:

Logic and fairness--both to rescuers and the animals--demand that altruistic people who devote their time and energy to helping the animals who end up in our nation's shelters stop being equated with mentally ill people who cause them harm.


As for the other 40 examples cited? Once again, we witness PETA's favorite strategy: lumping together No Kill communities with people who like to use the words "no kill," but whose methods have more in common with PETA's death machine than they do with Winograd's exacting but proven methodology. Newkirk can hardly plead ignorance. The genuine program is no mystery: It is detailed in widely available documents, such as the No Kill Advocacy Center's official publications online.

Meanwhile, if Nathan Winograd and a brave Norfolk City Council succeed in rendering the area a No Kill zone, it will be an unimaginable victory for adoptable shelter animals, three million of whom stand to be slaughtered next year. And it will be a crucial defeat, symbolically and actually, for professional pet butchers.

Who are these vigilantes, you wonder, who care so deeply about their God-given right to kill pets? It is a surprisingly diverse group.

People who believe that cats should not be permitted to live outdoors depend upon Ingrid Newkirk's arguments in favor of killing feral cats. Those who fear pit bulls lean heavily on Newkirk's insistence upon rendering the breed extinct: She explicitly approves of killing every pit bull that arrives at a shelter door. Newkirk's example certainly makes life easier for shelters short on space -- the most famous animal rights activist in the world has overseen the slaughter of 27,561 cats and dogs and rabbits, so why not take out the hypodermic?

When hoarding is proven a false concern in Norfolk, PETA and the high-kill shelters will be left without an argument.

This is not to say that they will necessarily stop killing. Nathan Winograd is pessimistic:

Because I believe that PETA is a front for Newkirk's agenda of killing, even if it should pass, my fear is that they will do one of two things: buy a warehouse outside of the City in which to kill animals, or relocate altogether in order to be outside the reach of the law.


It is natural to wonder what lies beneath Newkirk's chilling attachment to her syringe. Winograd considers her "a deeply disturbed woman." And you will not see me weep if her former employees succeed in having her imprisoned. Still, retributive justice is not the crucial issue: Ingrid Newkirk herself does not matter.

Her group is welcome to continue fundraising, and dancing in lettuce bikinis, and describing themselves as "vegans," despite killing more animals than all but the most brutal carnivores. So they like the name "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals." Fine. Throughout history, the self-righteous have enjoyed hypocritical titles. All of this may be repulsive, but it is not what truly matters.

What matters is this: We must separate Ingrid Newkirk from her bloody hypodermic.

You can read the first part of this post here, and Douglas Cooper's complete expose of PETA's pet-killing practices starting here).

 
 
 

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05:48 PM on 07/03/2012
As someone who has experience with the mental illness/personality disorder that can lead to hoarding, I can assure you that a 'no kill' policy which is very strict in it's execution isn't going to lead to hoarding. It's possible that more people who are mentally ill MAY want to have a shelter but that isn't because of the 'no kill' policy, it's because those who are mentally ill will find something that comforts there illness.
For example I hoarded coke bottles in my room for a while, my excuse being that I was just playing with them...so taking that situation as an example, it would be like blaming Woolworths for selling coke bottles to me for the hoarding. Whereas the behavior was rooted in the need to feel safe from the abuse that my mother was putting me though, the coke bottles became a forte, an imagined protection from her. If you treat the root psychological cause of the behavior you will no longer have hoarders and they'll there for cooperate with rescuers. Having a 'no kill' policy isn't going to increase the amount of people who feel these needs, if anything its more likely to make it harder for them to hold on to a shelter long enough to cause too much damage. In sort PETA know nothing about psychology and the mental state that leads to hoarding.
11:57 AM on 06/30/2012
A petition from "the undersigned citizens of Norfolk" has been seen in the downtown area. The petition shows a picture from 2007 of two kittens in poor condition. The text asks residents to keep the municipal shelter open-admission, "with proper standards for adoption and transfer to other agencies." The "undersigned...vigorously oppose changes that would restrict intake of animals, limit admission hours, impose additional fees for surrender, waive adoption fees, allow animals to be warehoused or sent to unregulated outside 'rescue' organizations, or allow for immediate, unscreened, or poorly screened adoptions."

No group contact or attribution is given for this petition. There is no information to show who, exactly, is asking for these "changes," nor any document to show these "changes" - as listed - are being requested. The last "change" is particularly curious, as the adoption process at the city shelter has actually become less restrictive in the last few years, and animals can "immediate[ly]" go home if ready per the standard criteria (spayed/neutered, microchipped, and vaccinated). Potential adopters are counseled and provided education, of course, but the overall process has been streamlined.

I find the motives behind this petition quite underhanded. The consequences of leading the public to believe these "changes" - as represented in the petition - are afoot can only hurt the shelter's reputation and thus the animals in its care.
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02:32 AM on 07/03/2012
Very difficult to tell whose propaganda that is. Anything referring to "the undersigned" ought to have, well, signatures. And names. The 2007 reference leads me to believe that this is either PETA or one of its allies: certainly it's someone who wishes to promote the false connection between the current No Kill proposal, and the earlier failed effort (which had nothing to do with the proven No Kill protocol).
08:46 AM on 07/04/2012
The petition has so far been seen at a restaurant, a grocery store, and the PETA dog park.
10:22 PM on 06/24/2012
PeTA has become what I call establishmentized. Like Greenpeace it cares more for funds and headlines that about action (which costs money) because it has become a career for the people in it, an end in itself rather than a means to an end. It happened to the Medieval Church, it happened to the feudal nobility, it has happened to corporations. It can happen anywhere: the athletic departments in colleges began modifying academic standards to keep players on the team. It's a law of human nature, almost. I find it sinister that PeTA has adopted a death-is-better stance. That's like a cult. Newkirk would do away with domesticated animals altogether, particularly companion animals. A brutally simple solution like a lot of "final solutions."
01:42 PM on 06/24/2012
Another angle of Peta hypocrisy regards a wink and a nod to kill shelters that routinely sell their alive or dead bodies of cats and dogs to labs and dealers. An arena they have raised millions off of pretending to oppose and do oppose for chickens. Since kill shelters are paid by the body that is an incentive by them to kill and not to focus on life saving or adoption. Peta is silent about this because it advances their true objective - that is to end domestication of all animals by any means necessary including their death. Another area of extreme hypocrisy is when Peta labels pejoratively no kill advocates as "extremists" ( although intellectuals would be a more apt term) yet Ingrid has coveted that label and worn it proudly for promoting violence against humans herself.
08:39 AM on 06/22/2012
There is always a danger in many problems of society, and animal welfare is no exception, of oversimplifying a many faceted issue.

Without rigorous oversight and somewhat of centralized programs to resolve, this far flung problem will always settle out into localized personality driven differences, with the strongest willed pro- or antagonist winning out.
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09:48 AM on 06/22/2012
I agree with your statement. However, one thing must be made clear: PeTA is not an animal welfare organization. What we need is for more of the current animal welfare laws to be funded and enforced, rather than animal rights extremists forcing nearly-impossible-with-which-to-comply regulations down people's throats and giving them free rein to terrorize citizens under color of law.
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Lucy Van Pelt
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10:58 AM on 06/22/2012
That will be the "No-kill" movement. Mark my words.
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Shadow Diver
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08:13 AM on 06/22/2012
My love for animals is an enormous part of my life an is partly how I got to be where I am (owner of Caribbean diving ops). PETA is a mess. They are almost untolerable. Their arrogance for a private aid group is only surpassed by Greenpeace. They piss off more people than they get to join. There has to be a better group to speak on behalf of mistreated animals.
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03:11 AM on 06/23/2012
The groups that speak on the behalf of mistreated animals, are RESCUE! They have NO agenda, they don't get millions in donations, they do it because they have a TRUE love of the animals, and their best interests at heart. Whenever you form a large group, the true reasons you got together in the first place, are lost, and egos and thoughts of making money take over. Rescue organizations are the way to go.
12:54 AM on 07/13/2012
The No Kill movement (No Kill Advocacy Center) supports rescue groups and considers them an essential part of creating a no-kill community. I support my local rescue groups. We believe you have the right to access animals in order to rescue them. Even my local rescuers where I live in Canada have been bullied and victimized by municipal shelter staff. These city employees have arbitrarily killed pets that rescue groups had arranged to take. Not many current volunteers doing rescue are willing to speak publicly about this for fear of being banned from shelters and the animals they're trying to save. I'm guessing this bullying is about exerting power over others, but I think it's abusive. Either way, it needs to be stopped. Surveys show something like 71 percent of rescue groups have been denied access to animals they were trying to save.

Winograd's No Kill movement and CAPA (Companion Animal Rescue Act) would make it illegal for shelters to kill animals when rescue groups have agreed to take them. The CAPA agreement can specify what conditions rescues must meet in order to be able to pull animals. More about this is on the No Kill Advocacy Center site as well as Rescue Five-O, rescue50 (dot) org
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richard harrow
Paying the iron price. Always.
07:51 AM on 06/22/2012
The article was so all over the place, I could barely make sense of it. I'm none the wiser for having read it. Unfortunately, you failed to get your point across. More specifics about PETA killing animals and fewer tangents about Che Guevara and Stalin would help.
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Lucy Van Pelt
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11:00 AM on 06/22/2012
That's not even this blog. That's a few blogs back. I guess you didn't even read this one. So, why are you commenting on what you haven't even read?
The specifics regarding PETA have been posted repeatedly. Links have been provided repeatedly. Again I ask, why are you commenting?
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06:28 PM on 06/23/2012
The article itself may not be all over the place, but *you* are. Quite literally: you're commenting here on an article I wrote weeks ago, somewhere else.

As for this one: you're definitely none the wiser for having not read it.
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10:08 PM on 06/23/2012
Mr. Cooper. Isn't it odd that those of us who HAVE read the blogs, and checked out the links fully understand what you are saying, but someone like Richard cannot comprehend what it is all about??
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Kathleen Shimp
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11:22 PM on 06/23/2012
That's a relief. For a moment there I was wondering how I missed those references in the article.
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olehippie
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07:43 AM on 06/22/2012
"PETA's total revenues in 2011 were well over 32.3 million dollars."

I makes you question just exactly what are they doing with those resources. It seems they could do a better job on this issue alone if more money was invested in a public awareness campaign to promote adoption. According to the article, it seems to have worked when implemented.
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Goliadkin
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04:49 AM on 06/22/2012
You should be euthanized for that first paragraph. What a mess.
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05:41 AM on 06/22/2012
Why you don't want PETA to edit your copy.
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richard harrow
Paying the iron price. Always.
07:48 AM on 06/22/2012
If you stopped there, consider yourself lucky. It did not get any better.
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Lucy Van Pelt
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11:01 AM on 06/22/2012
richard harrow didn't even read it. Or any of the blogs. You have no credibility at all.
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05:40 PM on 06/23/2012
Harrow, how would you know? Your last comment indicates clearly that you didn't read it.

This is the kind of lie that gets tiring: yes, you cheerlead for PETA, uncritically. Good for you. But don't pretend that you've read something you haven't read, and state that "it did not get any better."

There are some very real arguments, if you want to shill for the Witch of Norfolk. They're not very good ones, but at least they're arguments. Whereas lies are transparent, and annoying.
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mech126
Science, and government are "NOT" the enemy...
04:36 AM on 06/22/2012
This is just disgusting, nuff said.....
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Runs With Scissors
I'm going for a snake/ninja approach. With hissing
12:17 AM on 06/22/2012
As an animal lover, I say.... KILL PETA.
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mech126
Science, and government are "NOT" the enemy...
03:47 AM on 06/22/2012
I couldn't agree more....
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NativeNonMormon
Have ur opinions, but u can't have ur own facts.
10:14 PM on 06/21/2012
Several of our local shelters have transitioned into no-kill shelters. The move has been extremely successful. The shelters take in all animals and the TNR program is almost a work of art. The shelters all get together once or more a month and have big "adoption" days where hundreds of animals are placed in good homes. Also, the local pet stores -box and boutique- keep a small selection of shelter animals on-site to adopt out. There are so many animals adopted out that our area brings in animals from places where there is an overpopulation.

Ans that is how these things work. Education, cooperation, and a willingness to do something different. If you don't help with a solution YOU are part of the problem (you know who you are -PETA lovers).
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Lucy Van Pelt
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11:04 AM on 06/22/2012
That's how it's done! Funny how a group of like minded individuals can get so much accomplished without the $32 million in donations that PETA gets every year. Imagine what could be accomplished if you had that kind of money to rescue animals? I simply can NEVER stress this enough. These so called "humane" societies don't want No KILL to succeed because it will seriously cut into their bottom line!
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PeiGal
03:08 AM on 06/23/2012
PETA doesn't want people to know that in some areas of the country, there is a 'shortage' of adoptable pets, so they are shipped in from other areas. Case in point. There is a rescue here near me, who ships dogs and puppies up from Georgia, to adopt out here. Petco helps sponsor this, and the animals are adopted out, generally in one day. Practically right off the truck. And YES, there is a contract that must be adhered to, and home checks, etc. This proves that there aren't enough adoptable pets in many areas of this country. Contrary to what PETA would want people to know.
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Lucy Van Pelt
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10:36 AM on 06/23/2012
That is the case here in the Northeast and I have mentioned it before in the comments. As far back as the mid 90's dogs were being transported from the south to the shelters up north for adoption. And yes, these dogs get adopted very quickly. It is always the pitbull that languishes in the shelters and sadly is killed. At least that is the case in the Boston area.
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ottabox
What would coyote do?
09:37 PM on 06/21/2012
Are most No-Kill folks vegan? Why would you put the value of a stray cat or dog above that of all other animals that are killed for mankind's "benefit". After reading a few days of responses by No-kill folks on Huff-Post, I must wonder just which group has the biggest fanatics in it. There are pet people (I'm one) and then there are silly pet people.
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10:05 PM on 06/21/2012
Most are vegan, it seems -- the ones I've had contact with, at any rate. I'm not. As I've said, however, being a vegan does not grant you an automatic halo. All of the PETA staff are vegans, and they kill animals with a ferocity you rarely associate with carnivores.

I think it's fair to say that a vegan who kills is pretty much the most nauseating breed of human: hypocrisy on steroids.
10:51 AM on 06/22/2012
I myself am not vegan either. I don't eat a lot of meat, however I do lobby and petition for humane treatment for animals being raised for human consumption. I guess I believe that if they are giving their lives to sustain humans per say, give them the dignity they deserve.
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feed the enemy
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10:41 PM on 06/21/2012
Ridiculous post. Just because the group concentrates on animals it can save does not mean it does not care about other animals. In rescue you do what you can. You can in a shelter and rescue companion animals. You can't go shut down a farm. Get real.
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12:06 AM on 06/22/2012
Yes. You do what you can. And I note that even vegans are a bit speciesist when it comes to, say, mosquitoes. Or scorpions. Or various not-very-cuddly bacteria.
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AFRescue143
Live long and prosper, IN PEACE
08:39 PM on 06/21/2012
PETA is nothing but a PITA....Pain In The A**.

I have been a volunteer for US Fish & Wildlife and other groups for well over 20 years. I have worked Endangered Species programs on Puerto Rico, Guam, Florida, Nova Scotia and even Cuba. I have NEVER seen a single Professional Wildlife person that has had a good or nice thing to say about a PETA member. These Professionals see PETA as arm chair Animal Rights people ONLY when they can get their name in the paper and use that as leverage to get something from companies.

I have never seen a single member of PETA out doing the work to save any species. I have never seen a single member of PETA out doing the dirty, rotten work involved with Habitat development for species. I know for a fact that PETA was called to help out in the Gulf Oil spill and they flatly refused to help because they did not want to get oily.......

PETA is a joke.
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10:42 PM on 06/21/2012
A sick sad joke indeed! The celebrities that support them have obviously never visited their killing factory.
04:32 AM on 06/22/2012
Great response...I noticed earlier that Peta was all upset about 'Kim's' snake boots. They should have that same concern about pets. Our small town in Alaska has a 'foster program' that works great. People foster the pet until it can find a permanent home. I say that's much better than killing it wouldn't you?
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OleProfessor
"Ours is not a system based upon trust"
07:51 PM on 06/21/2012
I trust no one that call themselves Animal Lovers..

They're capable of anything and the SPCA of Columbia Greene County ad Ulster County NY have been described to me by lawyers that "Everything they do is illegal..!"

In Columbia Greene Counties they are nothing less than a Dog Stealing Ring..it's completely out of hand, they're brazen liars...Dog Thieves..!
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10:43 PM on 06/21/2012
Who are you talking about?
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heraldi
01:27 PM on 06/22/2012
You are a very narrow-minded person. How can you, who obviously does not have the facts about animal lovers straight, put EVERYONE in the same category? Shame on you. It is obvious to me you have not met true animal lovers who do respect life and give their pets dignity, first-rate care, attention, and love. I hope you do not do the same with human beings...putting all one race or group under the negative opinion. If you can't say anything good, don't say anything.