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For Real Democracy, Canadians Need Only Look South

Posted: 01/ 6/2012 6:43 pm

They say it's easy to scorn that which you can't have, and if that's the case, then the sort of exaggerated confusion Canadians commonly express towards the U.S. presidential primary system must reveal a very deep-seeded jealousy indeed. For the next couple of months, after all, the Americans will be participating in an exercise in mass democracy entirely without precedent or equivalent in our sad dominion, and offering a thoroughly irritating reminder of just how backwards and elitist the Canadian party system remains in contrast.

A simple numbers game vividly illustrates the vast democratic divide between the two nations.

Last Tuesday, Mitt Romney eked out his narrow victory in the Iowa caucus with a total of 3o,015 votes. That slim tally in a single, Midwestern state is nevertheless only slightly fewer than the 31,150 votes that elected Jack Layton leader of the national New Democratic Party in 2003, and much greater than the 16,149 that elected Stephen Harper leader of the federal Conservatives in 2004.

And keep in mind, these are both parties that use (or, in the Tories' case, used to use) the so-called "one-member-one-vote" system. When the Liberals installed Paul Martin as the 21st Prime Minister of Canada in their 2003 convention, by contrast, the 3,453 "party delegates" who made that decision were a notably smaller group than the 6,073 voters who gave Michelle Bachmann her last-place finish in Iowa, to say nothing of (as some wags noted at the time) the 3.3 million voters who crowned Ryan Malcolm the first Canadian Idol.

What makes these comparisons particularly odious is that Canadian party leaders aren't really even analogous to U.S. presidential candidates -- they're much more powerful. Should Romney eventually emerge as the GOP flag-bearer, he will have precious little power to influence much of what his party supports or believes. As we've seen over the last three years, the President of the United States is in many ways a very weak figure subordinate to the authority of 535 free-voting Congressmen.

Should Romney one day become commander-in-chief, he'll likely spend his first four years in the Oval Office fending off attacks from his own party's dissident Tea Party wing -- a phenomenon that would be entirely impossible to imagine in Canada, where our party leaders possess the well-developed power to expel problematic MPs at the slightest demonstration of insubordination.

American parties have never been rigidly hierarchical, or even particularly well-organized. One becomes a Democrat or Republican simply by self-identifying as one -- no fees to pay, no rules to follow. In 2010 the Republican National Committee even struck down a proposal to require self-identifying Republican candidates to agree to a shared set of principles, an event which must have prompted more than a few envious sighs from pro-gun New Democrats, pro-life Liberals, and other members of this country's barely-tolerated constituencies.

Canadians sometimes righteously puff their chests at the fact that Canada has a robust rainbow of parties while America only has two, but the number of parties is really far less significant than the amount of ideological freedom afforded to members within them. And here, the U.S. unquestionably has Canada soundly beat.

Thankfully, there are signs that a long overdue Americanization of the ossified Canadian party regime is beginning to unfold. After years of propping up their particularly closed-door model, next weekend the Liberal Party of Canada will vote on adopting a U.S.-style open primary to pick their next leader, complete with voters whose commitment to the party is no firmer than temporary self-identification -- the same system that has allowed unorthodox contrarians like Ron Paul to enjoy such success south of the border.

As party presidential candidate Mike Crawly noted in a National Post editorial, this would hopefully help raise party membership in Canada above its present pathetically low rate of one to two per cent, and avoid future abnormalities like the prime minister being chosen by a smaller group of Canadians than those who list their religion as "Jedi."

Of course, the status quo has lasted this long for a reason. A heavily bureaucratized, hierarchical party system obviously concentrates a great deal of power and control among the bureaucrats and leaders themselves, and helps ensure the terms of partisan debate on any given issue can be carefully stage-managed.

In a country like Canada, where the political elite would generally not enjoy an honest, open discussion on any number of issues the public feels strongly about -- immigration, abortion, bilingualism, etc. -- the last thing the politicians want is a system that makes it easier for the non-partisan 99 per cent to exercise greater influence over the sorts of people who wind up in Parliament.

It would be little surprise if the Liberals' primary proposal goes down in flames amid "concerns" of the entrenched party elders, but at least the conversation has begun, and at this point it will be hard to stop.

After all, there are still 49 states to go.

 

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They say it's easy to scorn that which you can't have, and if that's the case, then the sort of exaggerated confusion Canadians commonly express towards the U.S. presidential primary system must revea...
They say it's easy to scorn that which you can't have, and if that's the case, then the sort of exaggerated confusion Canadians commonly express towards the U.S. presidential primary system must revea...
 
 
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05:11 PM on 01/14/2012
As a Canadian, I find it hard to take this article seriously.

Comparing the party members who vote for leadership candidates to those voting in the primary is ludicrous. A more realistic comparison is the party members who vote for US electoral college.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your opinion!
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SkeeBee
Offending InFoxtrination Sufferers With Facts.
09:18 AM on 01/14/2012
They say it's easy to scorn that which you can't have, and if that's the case, then the sort of exaggerated confusion Canadians commonly express towards the U.S. presidential primary system must reveal a very deep-seeded jealousy indeed.

lmfao!

Ummm no.
It's simply from confusion and amazewment because if the years from 2000 to 2010 have proven anything it's that the US system is too easily manipulated, FAR to convoluted, and clearly corrupted.
IE: Broken.
Our Canadian system needs an overhaul, the last Fed election that gave Harper a minority
with 60% voting against him proves that.
But that is institutional, on the books, can be changed.
Amerika's switch to Diebold, (massive Bush family supporter), voting machines that lend themselves to tampering, voter suppression, unlimited, anonymous, campaign spending, (and on and on), make me wonder if the article's author is even AWARE of the last 12 years in America?!
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SkeeBee
Offending InFoxtrination Sufferers With Facts.
09:29 AM on 01/14/2012
"....gave Harper a majority...."

doh
04:34 PM on 01/11/2012
I generally look North for democracy (California). We've both got problems but don't be so hard on youself.
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01:14 PM on 01/11/2012
Perhaps JJ McCullough needs to take a look at how the leadership votes in the two Canadian parties he cites actually work.

Since it's pretty obvious he didn't.
12:49 PM on 01/11/2012
You didnt doo your research very well, 100K people voted in the last CPC leadership race, the numbers you are looking at are the number of allocated points, which were distributed 100 per riding, so the number of points wouldnt have increased no matter how many people had voted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_of_Canada_leadership_election,_2004
05:22 PM on 01/11/2012
I don't use Wikipedia for reference. The website of the parliament of Canada, which I link to in the article, clearly provided bad information. For which I apologize.

But 100,000 voters in a country of 30 million is still pretty weak.
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Atim-moot Tugayak
I'm Cree, weren't conquered & we didn't die out!
10:49 AM on 01/11/2012
If I had millions to waste on electioneering to get my choice of candidates elected I would merely pound the airwaves with incessant ads, mail outs in every riding mailbox once per week for months on end and drive signs into the ground by the thousands. That way, people "think" my candidates has tremendous support and is thus more likely to vote for my guy. Thats how its done now, only a fool thinks they know "why" they vote a certain way and even fewer truly know their party platform. Wanna bet, just talk to a Conservative for 10 minutes (if you can stand it) and all you'll hear are talking points with little substance.
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Atim-moot Tugayak
I'm Cree, weren't conquered & we didn't die out!
10:24 AM on 01/11/2012
While I despise this current PM's pull toward a Theocracy in Canada, I'd much rather have our Parliamentary Democracy than the US Republic style of governance. But, it seems the Conservatives in Canada have taken a page out of the US GOP Party campaigning policy whereby Harper runs political ads under the guise of "informing" us about Canada's Jobs Action Plan.The Cons in my Province also run ads and still have their campaign billboards out there for us to see when the next election is 3 years away. And NO, I don't think we have anything to learn from our neighbours.
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
06:03 AM on 01/11/2012
The two year American election cycle is democratic insofar as every two years corporations get a new opportunity to buy as many representatives as they can afford.
04:37 PM on 01/11/2012
I believe we (US) have the best government money can buy>
11:23 PM on 01/10/2012
Seems to me the millions in campaign funds spent by every American candidate is a great deal more elitist than what goes on here. It's not democracy if only the wealthy can participate.
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Atim-moot Tugayak
I'm Cree, weren't conquered & we didn't die out!
10:33 AM on 01/11/2012
Sadly, its creeping up here too. I was co-chair of a past campaign whereby my candidate spent a great deal of his own money to get elected. Yes, the party helped a wee bit and little fundraising did happen but it was still mostly out of pocket. If I had better ideas I couldn't have run because I don't have 50k to throw at a campaign which is not gauranteed to be successful. Granted we won and he'll recoup his costs many times over in a gold plated pension but poor people still can't get elected. $30 for a 30 sec radio ads (15k total), 10k for signs, 30k for staff and office, 20k travel, and good connections is still necessary for a win.
05:23 PM on 01/11/2012
America has 300 million voters. Exactly how cheap should a national election be?
11:21 PM on 01/10/2012
"Real democracy": hmmm let' see. A divided two party system eliminating any bipartisian co-operation, presidential system where congress has all the power, presidents elected via electoral college (where theoretically an individuals vote does not matter), districts rampant with blatant gerrymandering all but guaranteeing incumbent party re-elections, and the kicker the US supreme court permitting umlimited corporate spending on campaigns flooding politics with special interest money.

"Real Democracy" You can't be serious. Following US politics in the last decade, Ive never seen a more "unreal democracy", rampant with plutocratic corruption and never a more greater example of the average person having no say and becoming expendable to wealthy special interests.
01:25 AM on 01/11/2012
Did you read the article, or just the headline?
11:31 AM on 01/11/2012
Yes I did, did you?
04:41 PM on 01/11/2012
Is that really important?
08:33 PM on 01/10/2012
It seems as though American politics is all about money and electioneering.They don't have time to legislate because they are constantly campaigning.But still,it is the best democracy money can buy.
04:41 PM on 01/11/2012
HEAR! HEAR!
Jack Canuckski
Canadian Observer of the passing scene
07:57 PM on 01/10/2012
If the value of a democracy is measured in dollars spent, then the US has the most democratic system in the world.

Personally, I think that that electoral democracy should played on a relatively level playing field, with limits on spending in order that voices that are not well financed can be heard, and where ideas are the chief political currency, rather than hard cash.
okgranny
Egalitarian by birth
10:29 PM on 01/10/2012
Fanned
04:43 PM on 01/11/2012
fanned again.
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Brady Postma
Know-it-all.
03:56 AM on 01/11/2012
16,149 votes chose Stephen Harper to lead the Conservatives. If he'd gotten that in the Iowa caucus, he would have placed 5th. In the New Hampshire primary, he would have gotten 6th. Canada has 10 times the population of Iowa and more than 20 times the population of New Hampshire.

I'm not saying the USA is more democratic overall. But US political parties are clearly more democratic than Canadian political parties at choosing their candidates for the highest elective office in the country.
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laymancanuck
Left of centre, because it works for everyone.
07:43 PM on 01/10/2012
Down south they under going a six billion dollar election process. Democracy or distraction? I think distraction, a propaganda delivery system that has nothing to do with democracy.
06:59 PM on 01/10/2012
Real democracy? According to you, real democracy means only 1% of the population should be allowed to run in an election, cause that's how rich you have to be. If you're gonna write an article that advocates how great a system is, you should also address its pitfalls. And are you actually directly comparing numbers between Canada and a country that has 10 times its population? The only thing this article accomplishes is wasting everyone's time.
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Brady Postma
Know-it-all.
04:24 AM on 01/11/2012
Who was the last poor Prime Minister of Canada? Wealth and power don't separate easily in any country. Also, the article doesn't compare Canada to the United States as a whole, but to specific states of the United States that have much smaller populations than Canada.

Iowa has 1/10th the population of Canada, but the Republican Iowa Caucus had 4 times the voter participation of the 2004 Conservative Party election that chose Stephen Harper as leader. State caucuses are considered elitist and undemocratic compared to state primaries. New Hampshire has 1/23rd the population of Canada, but had 8 times the voter participation in their primary as Harper's 2004 win. That's nearly 200 times the voter participation! (as a proportion of population)

The US electoral system has some wacky problems, but when parties pick candidates for President it's very democratic.
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Patrick Flannery
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05:22 PM on 01/10/2012
The American primary system forces candidates to pander to the extreme fringe elements of their parties as these are the most vocal and the most likely to vote in primaries. Many highly electable moderates don't stand a chance. The wider voting public then faces a choice between candidates that represent extreme positions with no one appealing to the centre, which fuels voter apathy and cedes even more power to extremists. The wide ideological gaps this creates in Washington creates the non-stop campaigning and political deadlock that has made American federal politics dangerously unlinked to the concerns of regular Americans, or even to reality. The American system is broken and I want no part of it here in Canada.
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Skookum1
shooting fish in a barrel is sure relaxing
06:17 PM on 01/10/2012
Since WHEN has the Canadian party system (particularly the Tories and NDP) NOT pandered to the extreme fringe elements of their parties??????????
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Patrick Flannery
Editor, nerd, dad.
10:41 PM on 01/10/2012
Compared to the U.S. parties they are the very soul of moderation and balance.