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Canada and Quebec: Don't Stay Together For the Kids

Posted: 09/27/2012 4:41 pm

I was in Quebec City on July 1 this year. They had a massive celebration and fireworks display. I remember being surprised; after all this was Quebec City, the heart of the ever-aspiring French nation that wants out of Confederation. When I checked my latent prejudices (and a few plaques), I was reminded that Samuel de Champlain founded Quebec City in 1608. In one way, the fireworks could be considered imperialist propaganda, but there's no denying that the roots of the country that would become Canada run as deep here as anywhere.

Early one morning, exiled from the hotel because of my terrible snoring, I did some touring around. It was early enough that I was able to walk in relative quiet without the throngs of people that usually line the streets in the summer at a busy tourist destination. I walked along Governor's Walk, a beautiful elevated boardwalk along the fortifications that had a great view of the St. Lawrence. At one point there was an interesting juxtaposition between past and present: a person in a canoe and one on a jet ski. I got an image of Champlain racing along on a Sea Doo (product of a legendary Quebec company) scoping out the location for the capital of New France.

I also hiked a bit of the Plains of Abraham, that location of a battle that in a spiritual sense has never ended in this country. The War of 1812 is the focus of the government's current memorial efforts. That was the war that, depending on your perspective, either an emerging nation of Canada (in actuality a mere British colony) won due to brilliant strategy or the Americans lost due to hubris and stupidity. King Harpernicus seems obsessed with trying to instill the population with a sense of a glorious martial past. Like many before him, however, he's still losing the battle for Quebec.

I greeted with enthusiasm the recent election that gave Pauline Marois and the Parti Quebecois a minority government. It continues Quebec's latest political rebellion that started with the protest vote that made the NDP the Official Opposition in the last federal election. Some of the gestures Marois has made since assuming office (like rescinding Liberal tuition hikes and lifting restrictions on public protests) resonate with me. They acknowledge social priorities as opposed to military ones. Of course, with the PQ in office there's the inevitable bogey of a referendum on separation or "sovereignty association," but at this point I'm ambivalent to that.

The time has come to do battle with the ghosts of the Plains of Abraham, and all that has gone since then. I have been skimming some history lately, and what I've read suggests that the agreements that created what we call Canada were essentially a marriage of convenience. It seems Georges Cartier's best option to preserve the heritage of New France lay in a partnership with Loyalist thugs rather than the American ones. That awkwardness has underlined the history of the country, and Quebec became one of many bedfellows that occupy this uncomfortable chamber we call Canada. At the time, that probably was the right move. Nation states were all the rage, and financing new ones very difficult. Coincidentally, the government of the United Provinces of Canada was completely dysfunctional before Confederation blew it up. Sound familiar?

In 2012, the world is very different. We are part of an integrated global transportation and communication infrastructure owned by private businesses rather than a colony negotiating to patch together a railway to secure its borders. Corporations are rootless pools of capital that simply chase whatever part of the global work force suits their needs. Financial markets can make or break nations in a week.

For Canada, free trade has promoted hegemony with the United States (so much for 1812), and outside of selling off natural resources (as has always been our bread and butter) the essence of the Canadian economy is the same as our neighbours to the south. King Harpernicus is chasing even more free trade agreements which could mean less influence for future governments in directing our national affairs. It's all part of a trend that seems, at this point, irreversible.

Health care, education, and other social programs were all afterthoughts at the time of Confederation, and were shunted to the provinces, yet they are important to Canadians. Jobs are always a preoccupation, but social programs are never far behind. With jobs being devalued in the current economic climate, and control over the factors that create jobs diminished, my guess is that social programs will become even more important to people.

There is federal money provided from the tax base, and that has been the case since the many disparate colonies needed to be bought to bring about a nation. That's not good enough today. Without a "social" vision for all Canadians, why not shift the full tax burden to the provinces and their municipalities and cut federal taxes further to accommodate that? That way we can try to better look after local needs while coping in a global economy.

If Pauline Marois' government decides it wants to lead Quebec out of Canada, to my mind she's simply following the logical path that has been laid down (intentionally or not) by our Federal leaders over the past 145 years. If it turns out Quebec wants a divorce we should grant it and move on. It seems evident there wasn't much of a family to begin with, and we don't seem to want to start building one now.

 

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I was in Quebec City on July 1 this year. They had a massive celebration and fireworks display. I remember being surprised; after all this was Quebec City, the heart of the ever-aspiring French nation...
I was in Quebec City on July 1 this year. They had a massive celebration and fireworks display. I remember being surprised; after all this was Quebec City, the heart of the ever-aspiring French nation...
 
 
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04:00 PM on 10/02/2012
According to the Directeur général des élections du Québec, the PQ formed a minority government with only 23.5% of the registered voters in Québec, that is hardly a mandate for Pauline Marois to "lead" Québec out of Canada, especially when 70% of Québecois(es) have consistently expressed that they're NOT interested in separation. So, don't hold your breath if you're expecting a push for an independent Québec any time soon.

Mr. Froese, you've got it all wrong, and you should probably be a little more candid with your "latent prejudices", or maybe, let me express an appreciation after reading your article... You'd be more than happy to see Québec go, and let it happen dispassionately. You don't have the slightest understanding of what Canada means for those who participated in Quebec referenda, whether they voted yes or no.

If people want to write off Québec, and Canada as we know it as a consequence, there's nothing to stop them from wishing that happens... But please spare me the melodramatic discourse. Have the guts to say it as it is... You think Québec is the perfect postcard city of a foreign country where you don't feel at home.

Unfortunately, Québec City is the home of many people, who call themselves Canadians, and so is Montréal and many other cities in Québec. Quite frankly Mr. Froese, I find your separatist arguments as unsavory as those presented by madame Marois and all her predecessors in the PQ.
paintitblacker
shit happens life goes on
12:27 PM on 09/29/2012
1605 port royal n.s. one of the oldest established french settlements in Canada , thousands more dot the landscape of n.s. and new brunswick, francophone pride is not localised to Quebec and Quebec alone, but i digress, the question of separation can not be posed by a minority government , making further discussion of the separation question moot
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canobserv
09:55 AM on 09/29/2012
my goodness......you DO realize that she has the TINIEST of a minority government..right??
All this media hoopla over seperation when only....what?....22% of Quebecers are seperatists?
WHY??
06:11 AM on 09/29/2012
What would it be worth today with interest and in current $$?
06:07 AM on 09/29/2012
Cdn, You're a history buff!
Chevk how the debt was " share" back in 1840, at the forced annexion of Lower Canada
10:12 PM on 09/28/2012
Thank you for an intelligent and balanced article. As a Québécois, I feel I understand english canada's angst but what I cannot comprehend is why you are the first person to figure out the simple truth. For Quebecers (federalists and sovereignists alike), Canada is a marriage of conveniance. The difference between the two is simply the belief in a beneficial common future. Looking at the past explains a lot of things... but it depends on how you look at it.
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Peterbot
10:28 AM on 10/01/2012
I love when tiny minority groups get together and bond. Historical-revisionist, meet historical ignoramous. A perfectly matched author and reader. A meeting of the 'minds,' as it were.
09:31 PM on 09/28/2012
Discussion illustrates the mess.
People are painting wide ranging abd deep character portray of others based on marginal pecunary gimmicks. If univ tuition cost about 25k/ yr, whether Qc chose to pay 21k of it by the community or 25k of it, is just an allication and distribution issue. If another province wants their kids to pay the full burden of 25 k individually, that's also a choice.
So my conclusion from all the discussions is that only money kerps the country together.
If Qc was to solved its deficit, and no more transfer, everyone would agree it can just go, nothing owed, and all living forever happy?
Seems pretty easy to solve.
06:48 AM on 09/28/2012
You don't have much education, do you? Look up 'hegemony'. And maybe learn some French.
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Dennis Schmunk
10:47 PM on 09/27/2012
I will always recall with affection my time in Montreal and environs but over time my focus and inclination has moved south and west.

I correspond daily with people in San Francisco/Berkeley, winter at least every other year in Hawaii or enjoying the winter storms of Vancouver Island. This year we plan to visit people we met at Whistler or during the winter olympics from Australia (still recall my first visit there in the sixties)

My children have all found gainful employment in Alberta except for one who has a clinic in the BC side of the rockies.

I live now without Quebec in my daily life and if it formed it's own state, my life would carry on without much interuption. The memories are still there. The pullor desire to renew the acquaintance is not.

Good luck to them and the rest of us as we look to new horizons where the nation state becomes like the feudal state what it always was a imaginary construct developed like that image of Greenland being larger than South America in Mercators map.
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Felix99
Born to be mild!!!!
07:51 PM on 09/28/2012
Sad but true, Dennis. Thank you for youir comment.
10:34 PM on 09/27/2012
After some 40 years, all marriages are of convenience.
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Peterbot
07:08 AM on 09/29/2012
Time to give Toronto its divorce papers.
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10:09 PM on 09/27/2012
"I have been skimming some history lately" . . .

It shows. Stick to snoring.
08:56 PM on 09/27/2012
Jordon
Very good piece. It does indeed seem we have come to this juncture. It doesn't need to be ugly, but can be amicable.

The sad thing, as Sgill pointed out, whe we were growing up, those of us in mid-age, there was still a shared Canadian vision, shared values and a last ditch effort (turned out to be too late, though) to try to live up to the original Canadian compact of convenience, try to form a really distinct bilingual people out of us Canadians.
Anyway, I am a "FrAnglo" , as many Montrealers, so I switch about 1000 times/day from one language to the other. That's the reality on the ground. Unfortunately, as a country, seems to me we have now drifted so far from our western brothers & sisters, we're actually closer in mind to our cousins in Boston or Philly (oh! if good old Ben Franklin only knew!)...and culturally, the FrAnglo sphere is sooooo far removed you can get to the ROC. I've been a federalist, but first and foremost i'm a realist...and not a Don Quixote, fighting losing battles or mirages. We just need to let go and make it work, smoothly.
It's probably not even all that much of a big deal,
11:37 PM on 09/27/2012
As a Quebec Anglo descended from Irish immigrants, I have to disagree. I feel Quebec is as much my home as anyone's, including the French. I strongly resent and reject the anti-English rhetoric and policies that have gone on now for 30 years. I also find it sad that the rest of Canada has done nothing to stand up to this belligerent minority and defended the rights of English-speaking citizens of Quebec. Growing up, we were 20% of the population, and now we are 8%. My entire town has been decimated, with all my friends having left, largely, I believe, because of the PQ, the issue of separatism, and an anti-English environment that has discouraged business and caused jobs to flee. Just for the record, the Irish ancestry is on one side, and the other is French.
08:37 AM on 09/28/2012
Jay
Why would it be your home. Didn't get my point. Of course we're all family. I'm actually french, scottish, irish, polish and iroquois (...if I go back 10 generations, before that it gets fuzzy,)and that multitude makes me Quebecois and you too.
08:23 PM on 09/27/2012
Mr. Froese presents his case in an eloquent manner. It is safe to deduce he has no vested interest in Quebec personally or financially and most like him often make a case for giving my province the boot. For those like myself who were born in Quebec, grew-up in Quebec and have lived here all our lives despite the separatists, it is not as simple as a divorce.

The sacrifices made by those of us, not of French descent, who chose to stay were made by choice for a variety of reasons and we do not appreciate people like Mr. Froese advocating , simply, discarding us for convenience or facilitating his urge to "move on". Thousands of lives in Quebec are intertwined through marriages between those of French descent and "les autres" and the extended families are spread across the country. They've survived despite the separatists and their armchair cheerleaders like you. Kindly, mind your own business.
08:23 PM on 09/27/2012
Jordon
Very good piece. It does seem we have come to this juncture. I doesn't need to be ugly, but amicable.

The sad thing, as Sgill pointed out, when we were growing up, there was still a shared canadian vision, shared values, and a last ditch ( too late it turned out) to form a distinct, bilingual new kind of people out of the Canadian compact of convenience. I'm a franglo, as many Montrealers so i switch about 1000 times/ day from one language to the other. Unfortunately, seems to me we have drigted already so far from our western brothers on values, we're closer to our Bostonian
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Peterbot
03:16 PM on 09/28/2012
The values really aren't different. The difference is the converge and corporatization of the media and public opinion in anglo-Canada. Add to that the very successful attacks on and hollowing out of education from primary to post-secondary and the growth suburbs and the brain-numbed commuters to drive to these hellholes and you can see why there might be a problem. Even so, the extremists currently in charge are very much a minority, though a very vocal one.

The entire country is actually very united in its distain and shame of Harper and his hateful policies. Let's give the last standing federalist party a chance to govern before we throw in the towel. It's time for an NDP government in Canada.
07:29 PM on 09/27/2012
The title of this article encouraged me to read it. I expected that the bulk of the article would justify the title and the conclusion. It did not. The last paragraph implies that there is support in Quebec to separate. Nothing in the article suggests this. The election of the PQ in itself is not an indicator since the PQ and the other separatists parties managed to get little more than 33 percent of the popular vote. The PQ received a mere 4 seats more than the second place federalist party, about ten seats short of a majority.

The election results do show that the large majority of Quebeckers wished to remain part of Canada. The referendums on this issue also indicate that the majority of Quebeckers wish to remain Canadian. Seems only devout separatists and some aspiring-pundits think the opposite is true.

All in all a very shallow analysis.I had hoped for more. The author is welcome to continue aspiring to become a pundit, hopefully his next article will make a better argument in support of his conclusions.