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Is There a God? Always Question

Posted: 12/22/2011 10:36 am

I want my son to question everything and Christopher Hitchens died recently (Dec.15).

First, about Christopher Hitchens: I'm weirdly sad. Maybe because I've just started to love him (I'm a late Hitchens bloomer), or maybe because I thought his last columns in Vanity Fair on his "living dyingly" were so poignant, considering he had some big questions and challenges for the laws of universe and god (not being great). When else but during death does one turn to god and religion? He -- as far as we know now -- hadn't, wouldn't: "I shall continue to write polemics against religious delusions, at least until it's hello darkness my old friend," Hitchens wrote in the last year of his life.

He is dead and I'm grateful that he was such a strong voice (even after he lost his own), making those who don't believe -- or at least question -- feel represented in this religion-crazed world.

I want my son to at least question (see how I did that?). I know that with my partner and I as parents, he won't start frothing at the mouth at the mention of god, a higher power, Jesus or Muhammad for a while, but naturally he will come of age when he'll try to rebel and perhaps he will even come home wearing a white robe, pockets full of rosaries and his head full of conviction that our lack of conviction is a sure work of evil. Or maybe not. Maybe he'll let his mind consider other possibilities that will bring his life meaning and will make him a good human being no matter which side of god he ends up on.

Religion is the mother of touchy subjects and it's one I've never really cared to argue against or about because I find arguing about it somewhat pointless in general. Grown-ups usually have their minds made up about it one way or another, so either you're (pun intended) preaching to the converted, or talking to an unholy wall. I'm curious as to what will happen when it (religion, god) will be brought up by a child, my child specifically, who with his fresh mind will be seeking ways to form his own opinions.

I'm sure it will come up sooner or later (we live in a Portugese neighbourhood and if that doesn't tell you anything, you should say a couple of Hail Marys for good measure). I will probably tell him that I was born into a Catholic faith and that I was baptized and that, yes, there was a point in my life when I obsessed over god being really mad at me because I said a swear word. I will tell him these things because he'll need to know where I'm coming from when I tell him to question religion and even god. I want to influence him, but I want him to have a mind of his own. I want to tell him that it's bad to blindly buy into dogma, but at the same time I don't want him to feel like I'm prohibiting him from developing his beliefs. My only lesson would be to question everything because you should always, always be curious and work your mind in all the bendable ways possible. (Yes, even allow it to consider god, if god happens to appear to it one day after bouts of atheism -- just make sure it's never the god that makes you scared, unforgiving and closed-minded.)

And speaking of fear, I've given my son's baptism some thought. I'm shocked that his Polish grandmother (my Ma) hasn't kidnapped him yet to get him dunked in holy water, though there are moments when I think, darkly, that she had, like my friend's mother who took my friend's daughter to have her secretly baptized. I could see my mother doing the same because she often worries about god being upset over this and that, and her church finding out, too. I'm not blaming her at all for being this way -- that's how she was raised. And so, I too have grown up being told that I would be doomed for eternity had I not gotten dunked in the said holy water and I've had this belief so ingrained in me that there are moments now when I still wonder if I'm damaging my son's heavenly future by not getting him that particular ticket to salvation. I will look at my partner (a hardcore atheist who was baptized to please his grandmother) with wild eyes once in a while and say, "Maybe we should get him baptized?" My partner looks back at me and we both shake our heads and remind ourselves that the child -- when he's all grown-up -- can make that decision for himself, especially if that will make him feel better about life. I'm sure I won't be too impressed if he does show up in a white robe with rosaries in his pocket and if he does, we will probably try to exorcise each other -- him with a Bible, me with Hitchens on the opposite side -- but I want my son to know that his faith or lack thereof should never come from being afraid.

Hitchens didn't let himself be scared by death into buying into something that brought him no comfort even when there was fear of the unknown. But he's been kind, even when talking about people who wanted to pray for him (Sept. 20 was "Everybody Pray for Hitchens Day") to bring him salvation: "I don't mean to be churlish about any kind intentions, but when September 20 comes, please do not trouble deaf heaven with your bootless cries," he wrote. "Unless, of course, it makes you feel better."

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I want my son to question everything and Christopher Hitchens died recently (Dec.15). First, about Christopher Hitchens: I'm weirdly sad. Maybe because I've just started to love him (I'm a late Hitc...
I want my son to question everything and Christopher Hitchens died recently (Dec.15). First, about Christopher Hitchens: I'm weirdly sad. Maybe because I've just started to love him (I'm a late Hitc...
 
 
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11:46 AM on 12/27/2011
Once again, the agnostics/atheists show a morbid fascination with discussions about religion. If religion is a waste of time, why waste time disputing with its adherents? Perhaps because you have received a higher calling? (Pun intended.)

I believe that there is such a thing as Evil in this world. Examples are manifest. That Evil can exist implies that Good does as well. That's enough 'proof' for me.
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bonthomme
"Don't you know who I think I was?"
11:39 AM on 12/29/2011
Primarily because, with the notable exception of the handful of non-proselytizing religions, the religious are hell-bent on institutionalizing their conjured belief system onto the rest of us. At the first sign of pushback, they mince and prance about how they're under attack, while they have been attacking all along, and fully intend to continue so.

Much Evil exists because of religion, not in spite of it.
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MARTYB
61 years of age, happily divorced, father of three
07:02 AM on 12/27/2011
It would have been really, really, "nice" of Lazarus to have told the rest of us what to expect after he "came back", probably would have saved some lives, stopped a war or two, sigh.
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03:28 PM on 12/26/2011
I plan to answer the question with same answer I'd give if he asked about ghosts, unicorns, zombies, compassionate conservatives, mermaids, leprechauns, etc...

As his parent it would be irresponsible to lie.
02:08 PM on 12/26/2011
If there were a god don't you think it would have left a little proof by now?
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08:52 PM on 12/26/2011
I think I've heard at least a dozen different sets of apologetics to counter that particularly good question ... and found enough holes in them all to put a donut shop to shame.

The most recent one I heard was that if we had proof ... everyone would believe, and heaven wouldn't be a special place, since everyone would be there.
Coz like, yeah, how could you appreciate heaven without the satisfaction of thinking about those who didn't make it into your eternal club?

I also like - "without a decision based on faith, heaven would be full of automatons".
Which, makes me wonder, when a believer loses an infant ... do they think that the infant won't be enjoying heaven as much because it wasn't old enough to "choose" it by faith?
relevancematters
You're so full of what's right, you can't see what
10:23 AM on 12/27/2011
It's my experience that the proof is to be found outside of the established cliches of organized religion. If you keep looking for it there, you'll never find it.
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01:29 PM on 12/26/2011
“The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.” Thomas Jefferson
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01:13 PM on 12/25/2011
I feel that children should not be allow in church or even hear the words of any faith. Those doors should be closed until atleast mid-teen years. Sending children to church in my opinon is nothng but brain washing. I look at the world with all its faith and wonder does anyone else see what a mess the world is and just how much of that mess is do to religion.
Keep this in mind when you even think of sending a child into the lions den called the church.

With Science people fly to the moon and with religion, they fly into buildings.
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11:54 AM on 12/23/2011
Although I understand the title and the angle of the article, there should be nothing special about religious belief. You SHOULD question everything, it is called "critical thinking". Obviously that would include religion.

Simply apply the Socrates method to it when the child asks, and encourage them to do like-wise. If they grasp the concept, they'll become atheists overnight.
09:55 AM on 12/23/2011
You are in transit from the premodern to the modern. The train is at the station. The doors are open. But you do not get off. Don't worry. It's a crowded train. You can share with them. Letting go is hard because it means letting go not only the dying faith but the associated culture.

Are you fluent in Polish?
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09:44 PM on 12/22/2011
Don't "tell" him anything!!
Just answer his questions as best you can!
If he asks to go to church with a friend let him.
You will be amazed and what a loving and gentle creature you will raise without all the fire, brimstone nails and crosses.
relevancematters
You're so full of what's right, you can't see what
10:25 AM on 12/27/2011
But be careful about those friends who want to take him to church; they can be a problem in and of themselves, particularly if they've got an evangelistic streak.
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02:07 PM on 12/27/2011
Mine came home stunned that anyone was taking that stuff THAT seriously!
09:31 PM on 12/22/2011
I disagree with you and all the other self-righteous agnostics/atheists commenting here. Much like the Iraq War, Hitchens stood adamantly by his opinion regarding religion, even when the reality that there might be a God was pressing down in him. I think he was one of those people who thought it was better to defend a flawed opinion than to admit you might be wrong.

As for religion, I don't understand why we always blame the tool and not its user. Religion causes extremism and wars, the earth doesn't have enough resources, politics is divisive, and so on. Maybe people are abusing and misusing these things to further their personal agendas. I remember a president not too long ago who launched a war based on lies in the name of democracy and freedom, and he was not the first. I doubt anyone here would condemn democracy or freedom as evil things that drive people to extremes. And yet that is what many thoughtless people do with religion. That religion can be manipulated to validate someone's desire to steal/discriminate/rape/kill/wage war is not new. But why blame religion, why not blame the individual who is trying to pervert it?

I'm sorry if you were raised on a faith that you feel was flawed, silly, or incomplete. But to abandon religion altogether because your parents' didn't work out for you, that's like abandoning reading because you read some bad books. I think it would be healthier to raise your child in a religion,
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02:58 AM on 12/23/2011
What is your basis for comparison on the Iraq War and his religious beliefs? That he didn't question his beliefs on the war, and by extension his beliefs on religion out of nothing but stubbornness? Hitchens was one of his generations great thinkers. Read some of his writings before you try to get inside his head and his decision making process. He was secure in his beliefs, and satisfied with an existence without a higher power.
As far as religion vs the individuals misusing it, their ability to misuse it so effectively is a direct result of the misguided power people give it in their lives. It is a perfectly logical conclusion to judge a religion by its followers and their actions. There's nothing else we can tangibly measure.
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11:22 AM on 12/23/2011
I find it a bit ironic, when people try to cast atheism as a social dysfunction. Always presented as anger at parents, anger at God, or a subconscious (or not so subconscious) desire to "sin". It is simply unimaginable to some people that people simply don't find this extraordinary stories the slightest bit realistic.

It is like saying people that don't believe in "big foot" have "daddy issues". It is a complete non seqitur, and an ad hominem. You are projecting.
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writerjohnny
09:13 PM on 12/22/2011
If you are not brainwashing your toddlers to believe in any religion you are helping the future as much as anyone. Brainwashing children to believe in a particular religion based on geography is bizarre and more importantly completely unethical.
Eric4969
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07:34 PM on 12/22/2011
The Truth NO BODY KNOWS........ NO BODY .. Religion is Man Made again the Truth..As far as an Almighty Maybe.. Only Man would imagine the ENTIRE Universe was all for HIM...Every Planet every being everything just for US.. REALLY whats the word for that?
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11:55 AM on 12/23/2011
NO BODY KNOWS whether big foot exists or not.
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charleyvldm9
He thinks outside the box.
07:23 PM on 12/22/2011
Look,you've got to believe in something,why not someone or something that teaches only good.
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09:47 PM on 12/22/2011
You don't "got to believe" in anything.
What's wrong with truth, facts and science?
You can teach philosophy, even Jesus' teaching of the Golden Rule, without the supernatural.
Imagine.
It's easy if you try.
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jaredbrain
02:34 AM on 12/23/2011
i'd really like to know which religion you have that view on.
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phal4875
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07:23 PM on 12/22/2011
Jowita Bydlowska says "just make sure it's never the god that makes you scared, unforgiving and closed-minded" when hoping that her child might choose a decent God. The God of the Old Testament is one who would make anyone scared, unforgiving, and closed-minded because he is that way himself.
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Akshay Singh
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03:17 PM on 12/22/2011
Hitch was at peace with himself. That's what we should all do, instead of hating.
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04:51 PM on 12/22/2011
Totally agree.