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Is the NDP Becoming the New Bloc?

Posted: 08/18/11 04:55 PM ET

It looks like we are in for another session of whining from Quebec NDP members, this time over the number of seats Quebec will have in the House of Commons after the next redistribution of seats.

Right now Quebec has 24 per cent of the seats, representing approximately 23 per cent of Canada's population. From my point of view that is a pretty good balance.

However, the Canadian population has been shifting westward. B.C. and Alberta are under-represented, as is Ontario which remains a favourite destination for many new immigrants. The Conservatives plan to introduce legislation that adjusts the number of seats in the House of Commons to correct this situation.

If the Conservative proposal is the same as they introduced in 2010, it would add 18 seats to Ontario bringing its total up to 124 MPs. British Columbia would increase from 36 seats to 43 and Alberta would go from 28 MPs to 33.

Even interim NDP leader Nycole Turmel had to concede that these provinces are under-represented and this needs to be fixed. Yet according to the interim NDP leader, "The approach of the Harper government is really divisive right now. It's not constructive, it's not nation-building," At this point it looks like the NDP will revert back to the old Bloc rallying cry... we are being unfair to Quebec!

It is worth noting that "Layton, in a letter to then-Bloc leader Gilles Duceppe in 2010, countered with a proposal that denounced the Harper government's attempts to 'marginalize the Quebec nation.' Layton called on Harper to drop any legislative step "that would lead to the reduction of Quebec's political weight in the House of Commons." (Postmedia, August 18, 2011)

The NDP argument is pretty weak if Quebec and other provinces don't lose any of their existing seats with this redistribution or further down the road when adjustments are made in the decades ahead. If in the case of the Quebec numbers, the number of seats you have accurately represents your population you aren't being marginalized. If you don't lose seats, you aren't being marginalized. Is it more divisive to support adequate representation or to whine that you are being treated unfairly and that you want special consideration?

As for reducing Quebec's political weight in the House of Commons, the NDP managed to do that when they forced an unnecessary election and handed the Conservatives a majority government which was elected with virtually no Conservative MPs from Quebec.

It would be interesting to know how NDP MPs who represent provinces other than Quebec feel about a party policy that insists that Quebec get more than its share of influence in the House of Commons. They should try to explain that one to their constituents in B.C., Alberta and Ontario.

Is the NDP becoming the new Bloc? Time will tell.


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It looks like we are in for another session of whining from Quebec NDP members, this time over the number of seats Quebec will have in the House of Commons after the next redistribution of seats. Ri...
It looks like we are in for another session of whining from Quebec NDP members, this time over the number of seats Quebec will have in the House of Commons after the next redistribution of seats. Ri...
 
 
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09:44 PM on 08/20/2011
At one time or another every province or region has "whined" because they felt under represented or were going to lose influence because of demographic changes. Politicians have been generally quick to correct the problem if they feel they can profit by it - and reluctant to do anything if it will weaken their base. t'were forever thus.
09:26 AM on 08/20/2011
Mr. Beardsley, God bless his soul, is absolutely right: the NDP is the New Bloc and the people of Quebec have always been and continue to be whiners, blackmailing the ROC with separatist threats to squeeze more money from the have provinces. Well those inferior types have never had the intention of making good on these threats as they have shown themselves in every fight to be gutless.

Well the tables have turned, the bluff has been called, and it is now time for them to shut up before the ROC kicks them out and sends them all back to France where they belong.

Maybe third time's the charm.
01:22 PM on 08/21/2011
Just kidding!
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04:43 PM on 08/19/2011
For many decades, westerners saw federal governments in power who seemed unmindful, of not outright hostile, to western aspirations. But westerners followed the rules because, after all, this is a democracy.

But to allow significant under-representation to continue breaks that convenant. If Quebec votes count for far more than western votes, westerners might not be in the mood to "follow the rules" because, they can reasonably argue, it isn't a democracy.

And the NDP should know that.
03:43 PM on 08/21/2011
Please define "Western aspirations"?
11:04 AM on 08/19/2011
As a westerner, this is nothing new. Our whole democratic system is set up so that any party that can get a majority in Ontario and/or Quebec doesn't need the rest of the country to win elections. So for decades now, it makes no difference who we vote for, or where the Prime Minister even comes from. Once they get in power, they only care about getting re-elected and that means leaving the west out to dry and sucking up to Ontario/Quebec as much as possible.
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09:31 AM on 08/19/2011
Saying that Stephen Harper is divisive is like saying the sun rises in the east, true, but admit it Keith: If Quebec were under represented in the HoC, I somehow doubt the Prime Minister would see the same urgency in getting extra seats into red and orange territory.
12:32 PM on 08/19/2011
Or maybe he is trying to balance it out so that votes/riding is always about the same. If you look overall, all the provinces except BC, AB and Ontario should have more seats as they all average over 110,000 voters/seat (Quebec has 100K, PEI 30K/seat).
To make it fair to those three provinces, he should be adding seats, it is not divisive at all, it is an issue of fairness to the taxpayers in those three provinces.
Wiki has a good overview:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_Canada#Members_and_electoral_districts
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Valerie Keefe
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08:10 PM on 08/19/2011
I'm with you in terms of representation by population, but this is a Prime Minister who prorogues parliament as habit and in defiance of constitutional convention. He isn't willing to hear from MPs unless they agree with him.
02:12 AM on 08/19/2011
Is the NDP becoming the new Bloc? Stuff and nonsense.

Is it the intention of this article is to carry on the Harper tradition from the last election campaign "Demonize the NDP Demonize the NDP...".... just plant seeds of disharmony to get people worried about the NDP,
like years back when the NDP were too 'socialist' and Tommy Douglas almost a dreaded communist (so would say his opponents)

Without Tommy Douglas, we might not universal health care which says that health care in Canada ought to be a right, not a privilege. (insert jokes about condition of health care system here_________)

I think the NDP is no more going to become the next Bloc than they were 'pinko commies' back in the day. The NDP is an instigator of change supporting a healthy lower to middle income earner. Perhaps placing high value on the lower to middle income earner has helped keep our economy more stable than the U.S. Big business can't make money if there is no healthy, financially stable lower to middle income earners to buy what their products

Some folks in Ottawa worry about too many NDP in Ottawa. Would plush pensions after 4 years of service be a thing if the past? Would the electoral system more accurately represent the people of Canada? They 'diss' the NDP when they start to make too much sense to more people.

I have no fears of the NDP becoming the next Bloc.
canuckjen
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06:22 PM on 08/21/2011
Agreed. I'm getting used to Keith Beardsley writing articles that demonize the NDP in order to prop up the Conservative party. He's a Conservative propagandist and not a journalist.
12:10 AM on 08/19/2011
What bothers a lot of Quebecers is that it loses it's election influence.With all those new ridings in Ontario,Alberta and B.C.,Quebec has become politically irrelevant.
Quebec peaked in 1967 and it's been falling behind Ontario for 44 years. In 1967 Quebec had 6 million people and Ontario had 8 million. To-day Quebec has 8 million and Ontario has close to 13 million. Thanks to the Parti-Quebecois a lot of people have left. They sure were good at chasing businesses away.And the fact that Macleans magazine declared Quebec as the most corrupt province in Canada didn't help. I have a number of friends that moved to Ontario from Quebec and they won't be moving back.Too bad to see Montreal get left behind Toronto.
09:54 AM on 08/19/2011
As much as I'm sure it will pain Quebecers,the CPC achieving a majority of seats without Quebec was the nail in that coffin.

In the end they have no one to blame but themselves. Two decades of supporting a separatist party has made the rest of Canada tune them out. By voting Bloc for so long they sent the message loud and clear they do not wish to take part in the national discussion but ONLY care about Quebec.
11:22 AM on 08/19/2011
I agree The bloc wants to separate so hop-fully this will help stop them from doing so!
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04:48 PM on 08/19/2011
Hate to break it to you but the reason why Quebec keeps falling behind, and why other regions fall behind as well, is because we've had a pro-Ontario industrial policy enforced out of Ottawa basically since Confederation. As an anglophone, I sympathize with Quebec. After all, if you put yourself there and look out at the rat of Canada, what do you see in English Canada? The United States of America. Put best, what does it say when the first people to adopt the term "Canadien" now suddenly view it now as a pejorative? Western alienation and Quebec separatism are not spurred in the regions, but by an increasingly Ontario-obsessed national capital who conflate the future of Canada with more and more and more American integration.
12:06 AM on 08/19/2011
"Government relations strategist; former senior advisor and deputy chief of staff for issues management to Prime Minister Stephen Harper." (who happens to be from Alberta and won all but 1 seat in that province)

I see that Harper and his lackeys are taking a page from Ralph Klein's playbook - one of many - in describing any opposition to their policies as "whining". Proportional representation and a preferential ballot - the sooner the better.
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11:30 PM on 08/18/2011
It's a refreshing shift from the western separatists.
10:31 PM on 08/18/2011
What a waste of a column. What would you do for your electors? It's their job.
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08:51 PM on 08/18/2011
The NDP always seem ready to be anybodies dog....
04:19 PM on 08/18/2011
I believed this line of thinking from the moment the election was over.
canuckjen
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06:25 PM on 08/21/2011
LOL It's not a line of thinking. It's a line of ...coming from a Conservative propagandist.