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Are Strollers On Public Transit A Nuisance?

Posted: 01/23/2013 2:41 pm

The mom 'nets have been sizzling over the discussion sparked by the recent story on Today's Parent titled Should Parents With Strollers Be Allowed On Public Transit?

Discussions have flared up on Twitter, Facebook and numerous mom blogs. I have mostly stayed out of it as my kids are (thank GOD) well past the stroller stage. However, my childhood was spent in the UK with family that did nothing BUT take strollers on buses and therefore I think there is a lot more to the story than is being discussed.

I have never been on a Toronto bus, but I do ride the Vancouver transit system as little as possible because frankly, it sucks. I too don't think it is family or child-friendly and as someone who grew up carless, feel for those who have no choice.

However, it IS about choice, since Vancouver is supposedly all about being a greener city and being green and taking transit should be for everyone, families included and that means not only making buses more family friendly but our culture too.

Not only are buses not designed for strollers (especially folded up), our culture is not designed for it either. People on buses and the Skytrain are not very friendly. They don't appreciate ANYONE who is not fully compact with those annoying backpacks and totally tuned out on their iPods. Anyone with wheelchairs, bikes, packages or babies are considered an infringement on their right to travel without acknowledging those around them.

I grew up in Scotland where the buses seemed to be dominated by seniors and families. I recall being offered a "wee sweetie" by little old ladies and I also recall my cousin and mother of four being offered HELP getting her kids and stroller on the bus. Let's also remember the strollers were smaller and the buses there had a storage spot at the front.

People helped moms. I don't see that too often here and now. Vancouver is not a "helping" city. We are a tad narcissistic and a tad selfish and so when a mom shows up fully loaded (what is WITH all that stuff you are bringing!) on a bus, all we think about is how late that person is going to make us and that their babies better not even look at me.

Family-friendly transit means not only making buses run more frequently and be designed better, but it also means creating cities that don't equate families with minivans and the idea that if you are on a bus you are too poor for a minivan and the "why did you have kids then" mentality.

It also means stroller companies designing transit-friendly strollers and teaching moms that you CAN travel light with kids. Don't LOAD up your stroller with so much stuff that you can't fold it up. The age of self-entitlement is not making things very friendly — eco, or otherwise.

Everyone can and should be taking the bus. It should not be an onerous undertaking for anyone.

 

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12:46 PM on 03/12/2013
The strollers today are 100 times bigger (big knobby tires, many compartments and storage racks) especially the 3 wheelers that DON'T fold. Old fashioned strollers were designed for exactly that, mobility, and the ability to not impede other users of transit. There should be no need for a "jogging stroller" on the bus.

Women had it far tougher 30 years ago, as they had to pack around their USED diapers (yep, I'm a "before pampers and disposable diapers" baby) and they did it OK, without all the "extras" mothers seem to feel they have to carry around with them today.
If anything, technology's made things SMALLER for people.. easier to carry and so on, and then you have those people who I believe are so self-absorbed (and rude) that feel people should "make way" for them and the kitchen sink they pack.

It's called a "backpack" for your stuff, and the stroller should be of a more compact size. How about consideration of others too, making it about poor you is shameful when I've seen what my mom had to go through.. without complaining. This self-entitlement attitude from people today is sickening.
Maybe transit could market more "acceptable types" of strollers for mother's who will be using the service? Or make a rule that only "acceptable, folding strollers" are brought on board.
I know it doesn't work for everyone.. but what does?
07:23 PM on 03/12/2013
I think if transit services across the board say that you have to fold your stroller when you get onto the bus, then people will adapt. Its that or get a car.
11:57 AM on 03/12/2013
Use a baby sling and stop pushing your kids around in increasingly larger and more cumbersome contraptions. Also, having your kids walk for themselves somewhere before the age of five might help. I love kids, but their parents suck. Strollers are not designed for quick efficient public transit and no amount of redesigning buses will change that. Strollers are a big pain for people who use wheelchairs or have other mobility issues and people with visual impairments (probably some other people I forgot here, sorry). Children are not mobility issues. They are tiny, portable people. Strap that kid to your body like a cute little 'roo, take that four year old by the hand and help make public transit safer and more efficient for the rest of us.
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07:52 PM on 01/25/2013
It is very difficult to suggest that strollers always be folded up.

When crowded subway seats are all taken, it makes sense to let your toddler remain seated, not only for their comfort, but for safety too, since mom's other arm my be needed to hold onto a poll to remain upright. You can't hold onto your child, your stuff, and hold onto a poll on a lurching bus or train, so keeping them buckled in their seat is often prudent.

Also, although technically not mere "strollers", most of the baby conveniences that take up the most room and draw the most ire of other passengers are the larger style "Prams" or car-seat/stroller hybrids meant for much younger babies. Many have the pop out style infant seat, so even when folded the large car seat part can't be held in the lap. So really baby takes up just as much room of floorspace and another seat. Plus any fool knows you do not disturb or pick up a sleeping baby. I much rather a mom take up more room than try to pick up the kid and start if off crying.
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02:16 PM on 01/24/2013
More than the stroller 'crisis' came through in Sauriol's whining. Since she grew up in the U.K and seems to be unhappy in Canada ,I would suggest she go back where she came from. She won't be missed. She's welcome to go back to the land of 'rotten teeth & wee sweeties'. Nothing in Canada is perfect, there is no claim of perfection when these 'refuges come banging on the door to be let inside'. "Move to Mali, Sana'a, Yemen,Mogadishu, Somalia and strollers on transit won't be a problem".
Since her kids are grown and she's nearing retirement KS should just get out of Canada.
Retire back to the U.K, leave the country to Canadians that love Canada , warts and all.
04:06 PM on 01/24/2013
Well aren't you a cantakerous old crank.
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04:41 PM on 01/24/2013
I guess I struck a nerve with one of the self important one's
12:41 AM on 01/24/2013
TTC buses in Toronto usually have an extendable ramp which has a big motor at the front right of the bus, to the left of the front door, which takes up a lot of space making for a narrow entrance. So the problem is big strollers at the front of the bus blocking the entrance. It wouldn't be so bad if they moved to the back somewhat so passengers could enter and exit without climbing over or around the stroller. Safer for the children, too.
12:56 PM on 03/12/2013
That's a good point. Maybe a redesign is in order for transit, knowing the type of demographic they serve needs to have a bit more room for stroller, or wheelchair, accessibility (ramp at the back door as well.. structural redesign?) in order to accommodate a larger group of disabled/families. We pay good money out for transit service, should be getting some of that back in accessibility and options for those not "able" or who are with children.
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09:11 PM on 01/23/2013
I don't know how long it's been since you took a bus in Vancouver but they are ALL designed to accommodate wheelchairs and strollers. Two strollers with moms took up the entire front of a crowded bus I was on yesterday....and the mother/daughter duo freaked out at passengers THREE TIMES when someone on the crowded bus incidently touched their strollers.

"4. Can I take my wheelchair or stroller on Vancouver Public Transportation?

The simple answer is "Yes!" All Vancouver public buses, community shuttle minibuses, Canada Line/SkyTrain rapid transit, SeaBus and West Coast Express vehicles are all fully accessible; each bus can accommodate two wheelchairs."

http://vancouver.about.com/od/gettingaround/tp/Vancouver-Public-Transportation.htm
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04:43 PM on 01/24/2013
Yes indeed they can...but witch schedules that leave people leery to miss a bus......the fight for stroller vs other wheeled needs does get hot. And again..it is more the attitude from moms with the giant strollers AND the rest of the world that perhaps needs adjusting. Stroller or otherwise...it is not a friendly system. I have friends in wheelchairs and they dread public transit. Mostly for being ignored and looked down upon by anyone who feels they are slowing down the bus or taking up too much space
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09:50 AM on 03/12/2013
Which, not witch and 'schedules that leave people leery to miss a bus'?
08:11 PM on 01/23/2013
I think the issue primarily is that these mom's bring on their large strollers and take up a lot of room and usually in the places where individual who have mobility issues would usually go. I am fine with them bringing a smaller stroller on board, but just not the huge strollers that seem to be prevalent. All transit users should have the mentality that less is more and that you should only bring the necessities when taking transit.
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07:47 PM on 01/25/2013
Isn't being a mom with a small child a mobility issue of it's own though? I realize that some strollers are way bulky than they need to be, and some do fold very flat when kids are old enough to sit down in a seat, but infant strollers for the very young ones can only be made so small, and most people can only afford one, so they by the convertible kind that holds a infant car seat. I am a person with mobility issues who occasionally needs a cane to get around, but I still was a baby myself once, and needing to ask a mom with a stroller to move down or let me pass is a small price to pay it forward.
10:43 PM on 02/09/2013
I understand where you are coming from, but it just seems like they are getting bigger and bigger and very rarely do they even realize that they are taking up that much room.  Maybe they should get a smaller stroller for transit use and not get a bulky one as their primary stroller.  Personally I would like to see the bulky strollers banned from busses.