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No, The Student Protest Is Not Just About Tuition

Posted: 05/24/2012 12:55 am

The ongoing -- perhaps growing -- student strikes in Quebec have brought into focus the most pressing question in this period of austerity: is the only solution to current economic challenges to cut public services and raise "user fees" such as post-secondary tuition? The answer to this question has as much a consequence for student strikers as it has for workers and Canadians from coast to coast.

Just as there are reasonable alternatives to cutting public services at any level of government in Canada, there are also many viable alternatives to raising Quebec's tuition fees that should be considered. But these, unfortunately, have been successfully kept out of the realm of public discussion over the course of this strike.

The most obvious is a higher tax rate on the super rich. Why is it, for instance, that under Quebec's current tax scheme, someone who earns $85,000 per year pays the same rate of tax -- 24 per cent -- as someone who earns ten times more or $850,000? After all, someone who earns $40,000 is subject to a lower 16 per cent rate of tax, so why does the same progressive bracketing approach not apply to the other end of the wage spectrum?

In Ontario, the two per cent surtax on income above $500,000 negotiated between the Liberals and the New Democratic Party as part of the deal to pass the 2012 budget is expected to generate nearly $500 million dollars annually. A similar measure in Quebec would likely go a long way towards resolving the structural university deficit, pegged by the government in 2009 at around half a billion dollars.

Another option kept out of discussion is corporate taxes. In 2011, Quebec eliminated the corporate tax on paid-up capital, denying itself hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue each year. Or take the general corporate income tax rate, which, at 28.4 per cent, means that Quebec has one of the lowest rates in North America. Many readers might be surprised to learn that this statutory corporate tax rate is lower than in California (40.75 per cent), Florida (38.58 per cent) and Texas (35.65 per cent). In fact, American subsidiaries in Québec remitting profits to the U.S. must also remit the difference between the lower Québec/Canada corporate tax rate and the higher U.S. rate to the Internal Revenue Service, so Quebec is effectively passing up revenue to a foreign government.

Certainly, the argument that corporations should pay for universities via taxes is particularly strong, given that they benefit immensely from a skilled workforce. After all, would any of the big pharmaceutical companies in Quebec have even considered locating in the province if there were no talented researchers to hire?

And what about mining royalties? Quebec is extremely well endowed with raw materials and natural resources, but are citizens getting a fair share of that wealth? In 2011, MiningWatch Canada and Québec meilleure mine observed that the province "still ranks near the bottom of the heap in the collection of mineral royalties," and that it "was only paid $114 million on revenues of over $5.6 billion." It is no coincidence that only a couple of months after Premier Jean Charest went on his province-wide dog and pony show to sell off Québec's immense northern riches, through his Plan Nord, students went on strike over plans to raise tuition fees.

In the context of the strike, where one stands on the above public financing options is certainly important, but it is ultimately of secondary significance. What is more more significant is that the strikes have created an opportunity for a mainstream debate not only in Quebec, but across Canada, about what the responsibilities of large corporations and the wealthy in society must be.

Over the last decade, regrettably, governments in Canada have been unwilling to entertain this kind of discussion. Take, for example, the recent Drummond Commission established by the Ontario Liberals. Its carefully crafted mandate to assist the government with balancing the budget did not allow for a review of the revenue-generation side (i.e., the tax system) of the public financing equation. It is not surprising, then, that the Commission concluded that cutting services and jobs is the only way to cut the deficit.

It is this kind of austere logic, presented as inevitable, that Quebec's striking students are railing against. Indeed, contrary to what is claimed repeatedly in the mainstream press, students are not saying that they should not pay their "fair share" for education and let the province sink into debt. Rather, unlike the super rich, who tend to be unequivocally opposed to higher income tax rates (i.e., paying more), students are saying that they should pay for their education through a progressive tax system once they enter the workforce. And this is not a particularly radical idea.

In many parts of the world, including many countries in Europe, post-secondary education is zero or close to zero. In Sweden, in fact, a small controversy broke out in 2010 when the government decided to introduce tuition to non-Swedish/non-European Union (EU) students; local and EU students would not be affected.

By striking and holding their ground for more than a hundred days now, Quebec's students have forced a discussion of public financing options that have heretofore either been suppressed from public discussion or characterized as socialist delusions. For the students' remarkably insightful proposed solutions, we must be thankful. And for their remarkable achievement in arresting society's attention, we are truly indebted.

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09:39 AM on 05/27/2012
This has nothing to do with education at this point. It is about ousting the Liberals and bringing in the PQ. It is meant to derail the inquiry into the construction industry now that it will focus on the PQ era contracts, as well.

Offering free education, free medical care or any free services is a misconception. It has to be paid by someone and the royalties and corporate taxes you allude to won't cover the full package. Quebec's $7.00 per day daycare, for example, costs taxpayers an additional $31.00 per day so it is no longer $7.00 per day. European, Scandanavian and countries of the Netherlands are all in dire financial situations precisely because they offered so many FREE perks to their citizens. It is not sustainable. Sweden, for instance, has a 49% tax rate for citizens and the corporate rate sits at around 28% and there is no escaping it.

What you should be doing, M.Rousseau, is teaching these students fiscal and social responsibility; respect for the laws and the society they live in. If they are such heroes as you allude, why do they cover their faces when comminting acts of violence or vandalism? Why don't you address their misconception that throwing smoke bombs into the subway system is not a harmless prank as one of the comments below states? Then again, you are part and parcel of the problem since you are associated with the swivel servants association; talk about detached from reality.
10:56 AM on 05/27/2012
Addenda: The smoke bomb defender commented on the article by David Kaufman. I should have referred to that article in reference to my comments. I apologize for not catching the error.
05:22 AM on 05/28/2012
There's nothing dire about the swedish financial situation. They experienced a healthy growth of 4.4% last year, with unemployment sitting around 7-8%.

The financial problems experienced in some parts of Europe are more due to financial ineffiecency and a lack of social responsiblity than anything else. When it's a national sport to see who's best at avoiding to pay taxes, you're bound to run into trouble eventually.
08:52 AM on 05/28/2012
You are correct in the case of Sweden, however, they are willing to pay the price for their social structure while many Europeans and, increasingly North Americans, are not as you point out.

In my home province, Quebec, you have approximately 27% of the adult population on some form of social assistance; another 30% of the adult population working at some level of the civil service (provincial, municipal or federal); unemployment hovering around 8.5% (for the books) plus countless more who have fallen off the radar; the highest personal income tax rate in Canada; an actual provincial debt of more than 126 billion dollars. We are in no position to emulate the cradle to grave policies of any country. It is safe to say we can both see the cliff this road is leading to.
11:30 AM on 05/28/2012
And the unemployment rate age 15 - 25.... 25.9%.
the overall rate is actually much higher but is underreported for a variety of reasons.
The Swedish model on the surface looks great... Just as was the case in Ireland 5 years ago. The real question is can it be sustained.
04:35 PM on 05/26/2012
"Why is it, for instance, that under Quebec's current tax scheme, someone who earns $85,000 per year pays the same rate of tax -- 24 per cent -- as someone who earns ten times more or $850,000? "

Oh, I don't know...maybe because tax RATE is not the same as tax PAID.

Do the math, for God's sake. One person pays only $20,400 and the other pays 10 times more than that ($204,000). If you're suggesting that the person who pays $183,600 MORE each year than the other into the government system (i.e.: back to society) is somehow shirking his duty as a citizen, or that the system is unfairly rigged in their favour, you might want to give your head a shake.
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01:23 PM on 05/26/2012
The reason we have "austerity" today is because the thieves and fraud artists of Wall street caused untold losses to people in North America and the World. And the governments, (all of ours included gave the taxpayers money to the banks and corporations). That, plain and simple, is why we have "austerity" today. Former home owners, the unemployed, students and countless disadvantaged folks are being asked to pay for the greed of these evil members of the 1% who have caused all the misery we have been trying to cope with for the last 5 years. It was a boiling pot getting ready to boil over. Those who pretend not to see the real reasons for Occupy Wall Street, the G20 disaster, the students revolt and countless other demonstrations are courting disaster. If those in power in government continue to play the flunkies and lackies of the !%, and continue to try to fleece those that have already been fleeced, there is no telling where this will go. It is time for a sober reassessment by those in power and those who pay (by democracy) to get them there. Failure to understand the underlying accumulated anger will only bring disaster to the 1%.
04:48 PM on 05/26/2012
So you're advocating communism.

Hmmm... I think that's been tried before. Didn't work so well, as I recall.
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11:34 PM on 05/26/2012
Rather simplistic response. I guess you don't know much history. Let me help.
Did the English Revolution lead to communism?
Did the American Revolution lead to communism?
Did the French Revolution lead to communism?

What caused those revolutions? Was it maybe frustrated expectations from the greed and selfishness of what in those days would have been the !%.

Do a little reading OK?
05:39 PM on 05/26/2012
And the people who lied about their income so they could get a big mortgage and flip the house at a profit bear no responsibility whatsoever. Or lets look at the Acorn group who pressured the banks into making the loans in the first place. There is lots of responsibility to go around for this mess.
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11:39 PM on 05/26/2012
Oh! Another victim of 1%er controlled media. Poor you. Or maybe your are a propagandist for Wall street, bankers and the financial community... You don't use your own name so anything you say is suspect. Who do you represent? Why don't you change your name to "Wakeupstupidme"?.
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11:36 AM on 05/26/2012
protest is only meaningful and justified when it is accompanied by a clear agenda. this article attempts to present some such issues, but the people in the streets today do not appear to be seeking dialog on, say, mineral royalties.

there can be no dialog when one party has nothing but contempt.
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04:37 PM on 05/27/2012
You are looking for a single issue, when the protests are manifestations of many issues, some even the protestors themselves don't understand. People are becoming upset, but don't know why, so they pick certain things, like say tuition, or wall street, or the 1% and think that a protest might force a change, and that a change will actually change anything. It won't, at least not for long. They are basically trying to shuffle things around in the box, and the solutions won't be found there. The solutions are outside the box. As Einstein said, you cannot solve some problems using the same thinking that got you there. People have to be able to step back far enough to identify the true issue before they can solve it.
10:28 AM on 05/26/2012
Nothing is free, buddy. Sweden's tax rate is 65%. There is no free lunch. Get over it .
04:37 PM on 05/26/2012
Well said, Dave.
03:38 PM on 05/27/2012
That's exactly the point !
Sweden's 65% tax rate is certainly not the burden of minimum wage earning swedes.
But someone DOES pay it (presumably the wealthiest swedes)
...and it DOES provide their citizens with free education.
No discrimination. Poor AND rich have access.
11:06 PM on 05/25/2012
It is worthy of you to point all this out, but would you expect the governing party in Quebec to bite the hands that feed them?
02:18 PM on 05/26/2012
that's why we need to change our governing parties, plural.
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03:55 PM on 05/25/2012
Why is there no mention of the $400 million that the government is spending to give the city of Quebec an NHL hockey arena that will be used by a privately owned for-profit hockey club?
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02:09 PM on 05/25/2012
this is just a polite way of saying that "we students demand that the taxpayers of Quebec provide us with free college/university educations". well, i have friends living up in Montreal and they've told me no way in heck. these guys are not going to pay for someone else to go to college/university for free.
08:50 AM on 05/26/2012
Did you not read the article?

Repeating the lies put out about the protest gives me the impression that you came to this thread for the sole purpose of expressing your uninformed opinion, but were afraid to educate yourself on the issue.
04:39 PM on 05/26/2012
Did you not read the article?

Anne has it exactly right.
04:45 PM on 05/26/2012
if those people are paying taxes, then they most likely have a university education, and if they got it in Quebec, they paid less than students would under the new hikes. It seems like they want to have their cake and eat it too.

Now let's hear actual arguments as to why privatized education would be better than socialized education and not get into NWMT (Not with my taxes!) argument, because your taxes pay for lots of things: someone else's education, someone else's health care, someone else's war, someone else gold mine, etc. People pick on education because they don't believe in socialised education, so let's hear why it's not good to have taxes go to education. That's the debate, if you want to have it.
01:41 PM on 05/25/2012
"A generation of the entitled will soon find themselves deserving of nothing because the real wealth producers will have long since abandoned their efforts to serve others"
02:54 PM on 05/25/2012
That is like saying that "ranchers" ranch for the benefit of the cattle! Ridiculous!

"Real wealth producers" do not "serve others", they serve themselves. Others may get on the bandwagon, or buy stock, or get a job in their company - all secondary effects.
07:57 PM on 05/25/2012
And in the process of serving themselves they pay a 48% marginal tax rate, plus a 13% consumption tax, plus an extra 10K+ in property taxes... who do you think pays for the other 99%???
01:24 PM on 05/25/2012
And the cutting of the public services initiative is also a handy way of getting rid of people involved in dealing with the environment and various other issues the conservative government would like to get out of their hair because they stand in the way of total corporate freedom to pillage the country for profit.
12:28 PM on 05/25/2012
Correction on previous post corrcting:

I hate when articles fuel the fire with misinformation. I am not saying the reality is much fairer, but:
An 85K earner will owe less than 43% in taxes while the 850K earner will owe more than half his salary. 24% is solely the Provincial tax rate for any anyone earning above 80 200$.
The numbers…
All other contributions (e.g. QPP, EI, etc…) and deductions aside, both the 85K earner and the 850K earner in 2012 Quebec will owe the Feds 15% (6406,05$) on their first 42 707$ earned.
Now…
The 85K earner will also pay 22% (9 304.46$) on his next 42 493$ dollars earned to the Feds and stop at that bracket for Federal.
The 850K earner will also pay the Feds 22% (9 395.54$) on the next 42 707$, 26% (1 2217.92$) on the next 46 992$ and 29% (208 102.26$) on everything else (717 594$).
The 85K earner will finally pay Revenu Quebec approx 24% (20 400$) on his 85K.
The 850K earner will also finally pay Revenu Quebec 24% on his earnings, which amounts to an extra 204 000$.
So that’s 6 406.05$ + 9 304.46$ + 20 400$ = 36 110.51$ in taxes for the 85K earner. That is 42.48%.
And 6 406.05$ + 9 395.54$ + 12 217.92$ + 208 102.26$ +204 000$ = 440 121.77$ for the 850K earner. That is 51.78%.
12:28 PM on 05/25/2012
It's the big banks not rich people, don't blame people who earn their money for your problems. That's what these globalists want exactly. Occupy the federal reserve bank and every other central who receive billions of tax dollars from YOUR government! Than YOUR government cuts the services and jobs you rely on when this debt is called in.
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12:21 PM on 05/25/2012
Its about dog rights, well isn't?
12:16 PM on 05/25/2012
The intelligentsia, the oligards, the vested interests and our gov't won't stand for increased taxes on the rich.

Hasn't that become obvious to you?
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12:15 PM on 05/25/2012
The Liberal governments of Quebec and BC are just clones of the Harper neo-cons and servants of the corporate elite. Go Quebec! Quality education must be accessible to all. Tax the rich and end the looting of Canada's natural resources!
05:12 PM on 05/25/2012
But the looting of the resources leads to wealth and rich people, so isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face?