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Exposing the Blind Side of the Ethical Oil Campaign

Posted: 11/19/11 08:30 AM ET

It's unethical to allow caribou in Alberta to disappear under the boot print of unchecked tar sands developments. But the ethical oil campaign wants you to ignore that.

Proponents of the ethical oil argument want you to look away as the tar sands drive the boreal caribou to extinction, an animal so entangled with our country's history that it's etched on the back of our quarter. They want you to ignore the fact that the tar sands suck up water from the Athabasca River and spit out toxic sludge into tailing ponds. They even want you to close your eyes as the quest for oil swallows large patches of Boreal forest.

In northeastern Alberta, boreal caribou are under siege. Herds have declined by more than 70 per cent during the past 15 years. A 2010 Government of Alberta study found that the tar sands could make local caribou extinct in less than 40 years. Ecojustice is unwilling to let that happen. We went to federal court in June to fight for the caribou. Representing Pembina Institute and the Alberta Wilderness Association, we asked the court to force federal Environment Minister Peter Kent to recommend emergency protection of the critical habitat for the threatened caribou.

Victory came in July, when the federal court set aside the minister's decision not to recommend emergency protections and ordered the minister to reconsider the steps government was taking to protect the caribou and come to a new decision. The court said the minister's decision not to recommend emergency protection was contrary to the scientific evidence that exists about the threats facing caribou. The court also said that a recovery strategy to protect and recover woodland caribou was four years overdue and gave the minister until Sept. 1, 2011, to release a proposed recovery strategy.

We reviewed the proposed strategy, released on Aug. 26, and found that it will do little to protect caribou herds. The science is clear: if Alberta's boreal caribou herds are to survive, their habitat must be improved. The proposed strategy, however, makes no mention of improving habitat. Rather, it sacrifices further habitat destruction as long as there is a plan to stabilize the population. In effect, the strategy has written off the herds in Alberta.

All of this has occurred as the ethical oil publicity campaign urged the world to avert its gaze from the ecological disaster that is the tar sands. Fortunately, not everyone in the world is so easily distracted. On Oct. 4, the European Commission labelled the tar sands as a dirty source of fuel, one whose import they may eventually ban. Why did they do that? The European Union has made a commitment to lowering its carbon footprint. Importing fuels that are more environmentally damaging -- such as those that come from shale gas or tar sands -- would compromise this shift towards sustainability.

On the same day the EU labelled the tar sands a dirty source of fuel, Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development Scott Vaughan told Canadians that federal efforts to reduce greenhouse gases have failed. In his audit, Vaughan reported that while billions have been spent to cut emissions, pollution and emissions from tar sands projects have more than doubled in the last decade (and continue to grow). It's now unlikely that we'll meet our commitments under the Kyoto Protocol and, even more alarming, the government has slashed its goal for decreasing greenhouse gas emissions by a whopping 90 per cent.

Time and again, the government's own studies say climate change will cost Canadians. Sometimes the costs are measured by the loss of critical habitat and threatened species. The boreal forest is our ally in the fight against climate change, moderating temperatures, producing oxygen and purifying our water. It's also home to majestic species like Alberta's boreal caribou. Sometimes the cost of climate change is in dollars and cents. A federal advisory panel said in September that ignoring climate change could cost Canada between $21 billion and $43 billion per year by 2050. The panel is an independent organization whose members were appointed by Prime Minister Stephen Harper's own government.

The ethical oil campaign often glosses over the price we're paying to develop the tar sands. Through calculated diversion and distraction techniques, they've tried to shift the focus to oil-producing countries such as Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran or Venezuela and their appalling records on human rights. They want you to support Canadian oil because it is ethical. But how ethical is an industry that destroys our boreal forests, pollutes our water and drives species, such as the boreal caribou, to extinction? It's time we stop pointing fingers at other countries and take a long hard look at how we are acting in our own backyard.

Will Amos and Melissa Gorrie are staff lawyers for Ecojustice, Canada's leading nonprofit using the law to protect and restore the environment.

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It's unethical to allow caribou in Alberta to disappear under the boot print of unchecked tar sands developments. But the ethical oil campaign wants you to ignore that. Proponents of the ethical oil...
It's unethical to allow caribou in Alberta to disappear under the boot print of unchecked tar sands developments. But the ethical oil campaign wants you to ignore that. Proponents of the ethical oil...
 
 
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Peter Burgess1
03:41 PM on 12/02/2011
The problem with the "ethical oil" argument is that it is a prime example of a lot of propaganda generted from a small sliver of truth. On the one hand it is preferible to buy oil from a country like Canada (I can name others) because the human rights, workers rights and regulations and standards are all generally higher if not much much higher than say a country like Nigeria. This is the basic sliver of truth to the argument, and it is a point. Not the end all be all of debate, just a point.

The problem is when books like "Ethical Oil" or lobbyists and supporters use the ethical oil argumetn the forget entirely to mention that the very same companies, like Shell for exampl, who are doing business in the oil sands are the also doing the very same nefarious business practices in Nigeria that "ethical oil" is supposed to address.

Truely "ethical oil" in it's basica concept would be an easier idea to embrace if Canada insisted that corporations who do business in the oil sands or Canada adhere to a basic set of rights, regulations and standards not just here, but world wide. *That* would be "more "ethical oil".
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
04:12 AM on 11/21/2011
This is really a fundamentally deceptive article. It’s a straw man argument, in fact. The basic facts of the issue are that in the short to medium term future the US will have to continue to import large amounts of oil. Up to now much of that oil has come from the Middle East, where the US has had to establish military bases and fight bloody wars to maintain control of its supply of oil. Now the US has a choice of where it will get its oil, the oilsands or ME oil?

The authors of this article are fundamentally misrepresenting the ethical oil argument by suggesting that it is arguing that the oilsands are ethical in some kind of absolute sense. This is clearly not the case. The ethical argument is that the oilsands are *better* than the alternative, not that they are perfect on their own. Nothing is completely ethical. Ethical diamonds aren’t completely ethical, nor are ethical clothes, and the oilsands certainly do have their issues as well which should be addressed, but they also do not exist in a vacuum. The great promise that they hold – the one that the authors are so deceptively trying to stop – is that they have the ability to greatly reduce American dependence on Middle Eastern oil, oil which has cost hundreds of thousands of lives in bloody oil wars and caused untold amounts of environmental damage.
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CanadaStan
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01:02 PM on 11/21/2011
$54.00 a barrel.
That's what it costs the US Navy to protect the oil supplies and shipping in the middle east.

Canadian oil is 54 bucks a barrel cheaper in other words, if the US could quit paying for the protection of the mid east oil suppliers.
02:08 PM on 11/21/2011
And what’s the environmental cost? What is the CO2 output of those Navy vessels? How much CO2 do the US military bases in the ME emit, the ones that are there to exert US power over the region and protect its oil supply? What was the environmental footprint of the Iraq war, and continuing military presence? What was the footprint of the Gulf War? What is the CO2 output of the military industrial complex back in the US that is required to manufacture their machines of war?

These are all the things the authors of this piece are trying to hide. They’re trying to get you to not think of them, or perhaps to not even be aware of them, by the use of their straw man argument. They’re trying to take the oilsands completely out of context, because that’s how they can paint it as dirty oil. It’s only dirty if you don’t think about what the alternatives are.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
01:18 AM on 11/21/2011
Oh dear, seems one of the missing tundra caribou herds has been found...:maybe some other herds will show up as well!

"A vast herd of northern caribou that scientists feared had vanished from the face of the Earth has been found, safe and sound -- pretty much where aboriginal elders said it would be all along.

"The Beverly herd has not disappeared," said John Nagy, lead author of a recently published study that has biologists across the North relieved.

Those scientists were shaken by a 2009 survey on the traditional calving grounds of the Beverly herd, which ranges over a huge swath of tundra from northern Saskatchewan to the Arctic coast. A herd that once numbered 276,000 animals seemed to have completely disappeared, the most dramatic and chilling example of a general decline in barren-ground caribou.

But Nagy's research -- and consultation with the communities that live with the animals -- concludes differently. "
Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20111120/herd-of-saskatchewan-caribou-located-111120/#ixzz1eJmMIR3S
11:26 AM on 11/21/2011
Another red herring - this has nothing to do with boreal caribou in Alberta or the point of the article. Boreal caribou are an ecologically distinct subspecies, which biologists (and the Canadian/Alberta governments) recognized when determining that the conservation status of caribou populations in the tar sands region is endangered.
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CanadaStan
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12:55 PM on 11/21/2011
Read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.
It goes to the credibility of the green movement.
I work in the territories, they guys there knew the caribou were there, if several hundred thousand had died, there would have been a few more bones laying around.
None of the locals I work with ever fell for the scam, they knew the caribous were still there.
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robert carmichael
06:02 PM on 11/20/2011
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relentless63
02:10 PM on 11/20/2011
What’s in a name? If that codification is ‘ethical oil’, its an obscenity not to be uttered in respectful company. We are destroying ourselves and our home. What kind of species are we?
01:51 PM on 11/21/2011
There is nothing obscene about the ethical oil argument, unless you think ethical diamonds, ethical clothing, ethical coffee, etc. are also obscene, because it’s exactly the same argument.

What is obscene, however, is the attempt to block the pipeline and perpetuate the American dependence on Middle Eastern oil, especially when it’s being done in the name of “environmentalism.”
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artleads
Let's have a national retreat.
10:56 AM on 11/20/2011
Thanks for your struggle to protect the caribou and the boreal forest. I've heard more from Americans who didn't want the Keystone XL pipeline, but much less from Canadians (perhaps because of media blocking), So to see this article by Canadians is heartening in a big way.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
01:41 PM on 11/20/2011
The caribou are fine, this is just a cheap scam to raise money for their own use.
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artleads
Let's have a national retreat.
03:31 PM on 11/20/2011
Too bad they are only interested in lining their pockets. So unlike those selfless, sacrificing folks who run Transcanada.
05:54 PM on 11/20/2011
With such an ill-informed comment, you betray your ignorance or a calculated interest in distorting the truth. Everyone agrees that boreal caribou in the tar sands region are sliding to extinction. This view is shared by all levels of government, industry, environmentalists, independent ecologists, and academic researchers. The consensus public position of all these different groups is that the primary cause of caribou endangerment is human disturbance.
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banana republican
Next in line for crumbs from the King's Table
08:43 AM on 11/20/2011
I'm reminded of the Spotted Owl crisis in the U.S.A Northwest. The entire logging industry was decimated by the Greenie's determined to prevent their extinction by preserving their habitat. When that didn't work, they looked to science for an answer only to discover it was the Bard Owl, not loss of habitat that was causing the Spotted Owl's demise. Were the environmental radicals remorseful for all the hardships their error had caused? Not in the least. They've clothed themselves in a cloak of 'righteousness' that (in their minds) grants them immunity for any harm they cause.
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Nick Hatch
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
01:57 PM on 11/20/2011
Putting the rights of animals above people - only a Greenie could see justice in that.
09:14 PM on 11/20/2011
You are entitled to your opinion but not your own set of facts. The ultimate cause of the Spotted Owl crisis was destruction of critical habitat caused by extensive clear cut logging of old growth forests in the U.S. Pacific Northwest and British Columbia. Competition from the Bard Owl was the result of an "ecological trap" that simultaneously improved habitat for Bard Owls while exposing Spotted Owls to competition they had not evolved with. The spotted owl population is still declining at about 3 percent annually.
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banana republican
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09:54 PM on 11/19/2011
The Alberta government has considered many actions to increase Caribou numbers. The last was the wolf cull. It seems to be effective but is no less controversial. The current land planning exercise for the lower Athabasca could still see the protection of a larger proportion of Woodland Caribou habitat.
The actual area of mineable oil sands is 1860 square mile the disturbed area is 266 square miles. Companies secure their reclamation with irrevocable letters of credit. 900 million dollars last time I checked. Much of the land not certified is nearing completion; however the industry is holding back on the final steps, before the certification can be finalized. Water usage is another area of interest, the oil sands operators are licensed for 2.2% of the Athabasca’s annual flow. They have historically used half of this. Tailings ponds are a concern, that’s why the new dry tailings process has already eliminated the construction of 5 new ponds by Suncor.
The EU fuel directive is a joke. It signaled out the oil sands while allowing the dirtier European fuels exemptions. Ironically the gold standard of fuel directives was the California directive. On October 11 the story came to light that SAGD and THAI production would be allowed into California. A lack of California heavy, long acknowledged as dirtier than oil sands production, was known to be running out. Again it seems, more about protectionism less about environmental protection. Ecojustice is hardly an unbiased view of oil let alone of oil sands.
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09:28 PM on 11/19/2011
Very well argued. Ethical oil has become a conservative talking point to deceive Canadians of the environmental catastrophe known as Alberta tar sands.

Kudos to Europeans to slap Alberta oil execs stooge in Ottawa, Stephen Hubris, by banning oil from tar sands.
12:03 AM on 11/20/2011
I actually work with companies in the oil patch and they are generally interested into moving towards more environmentally friendly ways.... as surprise surprise... it actually makes economic sense as well.

The switch from open pit mining to SAGD is well documented. The three large mines at Syncrude/Suncor/Albian Sands still do exist but its relatively inefficient way of doing things as most of what you dig up is sand which you have to extract out and return back. The operation of these heavy hauler trucks and big shovels constitutes a good chunk of the CO2 problems. There are no more open pit mines going forward. In SAGD you use steam, driven into horizontal wells, to basically wash out the bitumen underground which is then sucked up.

They used to refine bitumen to crude oil by extracting the excess carbon in a process known as coking, which resulted in huge piles of coke dust being left behind that is turned into synthetic coal. That excess coal is not worth anywhere near its weight as crude oil, and it can't be piped out like oil, it has to be shipped in bulk by train and that is also a major CO2 component. They now use a process called HydroCracking to drive externally generated Hydrogen into the bitumen to sweeten it into crude. This stops the excess coke problem, and dramatically improves the value brought out of the ground.
12:07 AM on 11/20/2011
You can check my comment history. I'm not a neocon or a corporate apologist. This is still, for Canadians, the economic driver of our country, and some of us realize the switch from an oil economy will not happen right now, or even in the next 25 years, and we need to move away from providing funds to antagonistic entities in the Middle-East and Venezuela. Then we can finally leave that area and it's mixed up politics and allegiance far behind. I don't necessarily agree with the "Ethical Oil" campaign, as I think it is focusing on the wrong issues. The industry has to start showing where someone of us are trying to move in regards to reducing the environmental impact of these operations. Bringing up silly political points does nothing.
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09:20 PM on 11/19/2011
Ethical Oil is an oxymoron.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
01:42 PM on 11/20/2011
Actually it is just commone sense and decency, like fair trade coffee or conflict free diamonds.
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MyTake
Release the Hydrogen Economy now!
08:56 PM on 11/19/2011
Good arguments.

However, you have to provide a path out of The Carbon Economy (controlled by Exxon (aka Standard Oil) that even The Tar Sands will follow.

Here is how you do it.

You promote the release of The Hydrogen Economy which leaves The Carbon Economy with no legs to stand on.

Three examples.

This pollution free 11.2 MW Fuel Cell Park became operational in South Korea recently and can supply POLLUTION FREE free power to 20K homes just from a 1 acre of land footprint: http://tinyurl.com/6skgw9h .

This outfit in the U.S. puts up Hydrogen Gas Plants and sells the Hydrogen Gas, by pipeline, to all of the Gulf Coast Oil Refineries in the U.S. which they use to try and reduce the POLLUTION from their coking processes: http://tinyurl.com/6umyf7f .

Mercedes Benz is PRODUCTION READY with their Hydrogen Fuel Cell Electric vehicle technology but The Oil Cartel will not install Hydrogen Gas pumps on their lots. Here is one of their cars that drove 33,000 pollution and trouble free kilometers this past summer and was found nudging a "oil jack": http://tinyurl.com/6nxrcq2 .

So, there you have it.

You have the Fuel Cell Electric Generation Plant that runs the Hydrogen Production Plant that supplies the Hydrogen gas for that car, ALL POLLUTION FREE AND ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY.

The Tar Sands is eliminated in the process and the caribou herds and avian life lives as nature intended.
10:25 AM on 11/20/2011
Yeah......not so fast. You realize most containers of any kind from food to clothes are made of plastic, right? That most clothes worn by people are made of synthetic fibre, right. That most electronic gadgets...anything from tv's to cell phones to the computer you are using is made from plastic, right? You do realize the two main raw ingredients in plastic are oil and natural gas, right?

If you really believe in what you're saying and you truely want the end to oil extraction, you will recycle your cell phone, computer and tv. You will also recycle your living room furniture as well as any drapes and blinds that cover your windows. You might want to do that after you have seperated your clothes between 100% natural and synthetic as you will have precious little if anything to wear. Remember to stay away from your PETA friends as all you will have left to wear is what was ripped from some animals skin...... while out and about walking to work as you will give up your car and any form of public transportation that contributes to the continuation of oil production. Once you get to work...assuming that you do work, make sure you tell your boss that you are not comfortable sitting on the synthetic chairs or walking on the synthetic carpet or tile..

Failure to do so is nothing more than being a hypocrite and not being true to your beliefs.
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MyTake
Release the Hydrogen Economy now!
11:58 AM on 11/20/2011
Well, Yeah.....The human race has survived for 9000 years, since it sprung out of those 28 compounds of the Sumerian period, without PLASTICS and SYNTHETIC FIBER derived from COOKING A BARREL OF OIL.

Hell, going plastic gave rise to The Corporate State of America because they made so much money in not having to use GLASS containers to ship product because of the WEIGHT and SPACE required by glass. Just stuff everything in plastics and save billions over time.

I hope you get down daily on your "synthetic rug" and pray to the Rockefeller Oil Gods from John D. right down to present day David for granting you all these plastics/synthetic fibers.

Say, I hope those BLUE coveralls don't have synthetic fabric fiber or asbestos fiber in them!

It might surprise you, that David Rockefeller, over at The Pratt House (NY) was the major mover and shaker to SEED all those oil and gas synthetics into food distribution and get them right into your house as a population control measure.

The renewable hemp fiber can replace everything that oil synthetics do now, but you obviously would end up trying to smoke it!
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EdRea
Trees are our native friends.
12:04 PM on 11/20/2011
Painted with the broadest brush possible.

If we reduced our use of oil for fuel, the use consumed in materials and goods would be a small percentage compared to fuel consumption. At the same time, we will be learning how to make materials and goods without petrochemicals. It will take a while -- but since there is not going to be a complete change with energy or manufactured goods all at one time, as in the picture you're trying to paint, everything will be fine.

The transition can and must take place. But, it's not going to be all at once -- and with only one approach.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
01:43 PM on 11/20/2011
Where are you going to get the palladium and platinum for the fuel cells?
And where are you going to get enough of it?
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MyTake
Release the Hydrogen Economy now!
02:56 PM on 11/20/2011
Well, it is found in mineral veins in Africa, Russia, Canada and Montana.

And the invasion of Afghanistan discovered trillions in minerals in them thar Afghan mountains, so I am sure there is a vein or two in there also.

And with all the cars and trucks and buses around the globe, the palladium in those catalytic converters can easily be re-cycled.

But that metal is not needed.

The next generation of stationary and mobile fuel cells will use solid-oxide fuel cells whose membrane(s) is made from ceramics.

Bloom Energy is using solid-oxide fuel cells for their energy servers now being used by these corporations: http://bloomenergy.com/customers/ . Just click on each logo to see the summary of what size of stacks they are using.

And if the San Jose Shark complex is using them, then, when they build the new Edmonton hockey rink, they should use them also.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
06:18 PM on 11/19/2011
How is that Nanticoke coal plant in Ontario doing?
Still dumping 17 megatons of C02 a year into the atmosphere?

How much do all the oil sands operations combined emit?
07:22 PM on 11/19/2011
Nope, CO2 emissions are down 66% from Nanticoke as two of the station’s eight generators were retired in 2010. Two more are to be shut down by the end of 2011.

http://haldimand.cioc.ca/record/SIM0342
"By the end of 2014, Nanticoke will no longer be using coal as a fuel and over the next few years will be exploring alternative fuels such as gas and biomass"

So, when are the tar sands being phased out?
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CanadaStan
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10:43 PM on 11/19/2011
Predictions predictions.
Is that like a computer model?
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EdRea
Trees are our native friends.
12:20 PM on 11/20/2011
False comparison.

You're comparing the extraction of the tar sands oil with the generation of a coal-powered plant.
The tar sands oil will be emitting even more CO2 once turned into a fuel and burned (don't forget the CO2 emissions caused by the processing, as well).
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Nick Hatch
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
04:59 PM on 11/20/2011
And yet, oil will be consumed whether if comes from the bitumen oil sands (it's not tar and using inflammatory descriptions is an Orwellian tactic no better than the article's criticism of the phrase "Ethical Oil") or whether it come from, say, Nigeria where they burn all of the natural gas off in the extraction process increasing the CO2 footprint beyond that of the oilsands, oh yeah, and commit crimes against humanity among their own people. But hey, the caribou count for more than oppressed Africans, right?
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
01:10 PM on 11/21/2011
You sure about that?
Show you work, show us how oil produces more C02 than oil.
02:29 PM on 11/19/2011
There is no "blind side " to Ethical oil" The so called destruction of the the boreal forest is , in fact , no destruction at all.
Firstly, we are talking about an area the size of Toronto, which will be systematically restored to a pristine condition, at the end of the cycle. Secondly, there is now more production from SAGD operations, than from open pit mining. The whole oilsands operation is a fraction of 1 % of the boreal forest in Canada.
We are still not seeing the same rabid opposition to coal fired power plants which pump out 40 times the CO 2 emissions. It's all about the oilsands. What a hare brained way of looking at the world. Get a sense of perspective, why don't you !!
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
06:06 PM on 11/19/2011
Correct, many cities cover more land than the oil sands mining operations.
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Creox
Life is too important to take seriously.
06:42 PM on 11/19/2011
What about coal? Do you think that's the only source of energy available after oil? lol

cmon.

Fossil fuels are a dead end. The writing is on the wall and it is outside of your window. We are killing ourselves and you argue about oil OR coal.
02:19 PM on 11/20/2011
You miss the point. If , as a society , we are concerned amount CO2 levels entering the atmosphere. If the oilsands are a large problem, and in the sceme of things, they are not, then, we should be 40 times more concerned about coal fired power plants, but, that's not what is happening. The emphasis is ALL on the oilsands, as far as environmentalists are concerned.
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Nick Hatch
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
05:01 PM on 11/20/2011
The writing may be on the wall, but that doesn't mean we'll run out tomorrow - and don't worry, China is picking up the slack where we are shackled by public sentiment against the nuclear revolution we should've and could've had decades ago.
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Creox
Life is too important to take seriously.
11:56 AM on 11/19/2011
Your comments C stan don't address the concerns in the article...at all. Your sources are teh industry itself and the one organization that spins any negative stories from the first source.

C'mon...you can do better than that...lol.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
02:51 PM on 11/19/2011
Ever heard of geology and mathematics?

The vast majority of the oil is far too deep to mine, that is why they are using SAGD and other processes.
And the reclaimed land isn't on Mars, you can go see it any time you want.
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Creox
Life is too important to take seriously.
06:43 PM on 11/19/2011
I don't care how they are extracting it. That is one part of the problem. The others are water depletion, air pollution and water pollution. Not to mention that the burning of fossil fuels is killing us.

Please tell me you're not a climate skeptic to boot?
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
02:56 PM on 11/19/2011
Patrick Moore a good enough source for you?
He was a founding member of grenpeace, and he seems to think the oil sands are alright.