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So a Boy in a Burka Walks Into an LCBO...

Posted: 07/24/2012 1:45 pm

One of the most significant local stories in recent times that has nationwide -- if not worldwide -- implications, is the one that appeared in the Toronto Sun on Tuesday about the 14-year-old boy in a burka buying liquor with impunity.

Yes, it was a stunt orchestrated by Sun TV News host David Menzies, but it was not a stunt designed only to shock, but one aimed at underlining a problem. And the problem is not 14-year-old grade 8 boys buying booze, but of anyone wearing a burka or veil, rarely being questioned.

Those who feel the staff are culpable at three LCBOs for not demanding the Burka-clad person show a face, or at least identity as the law requires, are missing the point. Had they demanded the purchaser show a face or produce identity, they may well have feared being accused of prejudice or being motivated by hate. Who can blame the LCBO cashier for not risking the wrath of human rights zealots who often seem to lack qualities of common sense that one would think would be a requirement for the job? Nor is it unknown that Western "converts" to Islam use wearing the burka as a statement, and even a provocation.

The greater implications of this burka-and-booze story is that it could happen anywhere. Personally, I await with interest when the first burka-clad gang of robbers hits a bank, mindful of the Bill Murray movie (Quick Change) where the bank robbers were dressed as clowns to pull the job. Funny, but effective. The burka is an ideal disguise in our country, because we are so sensitized to pretending it's normal, that we are reluctant to cause a scene by asking questions.

One only has to think back to when the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan and enterprising Western reporters periodically tried to enter the country disguised as women in burkas. It didn't work too well then, because the guys in the burkas were much taller than most Afghan women, and stood out.

Then there was a case in Florida a few years ago, where a niqab-clad Muslim woman wanted her photo for a driver's license taken with her face covered. When she was told to show her face to the camera, all hell broke loose as she and others demanded their "human right" not to show her face.

The same argument has occurred over Muslim women testifying in court and insisting that they have the right to be in disguise. Quebec is one province that has taken a lead by insisting that the burka is taboo when applying for a government job or appearing as a witness in court where the accused has a right to face an accuser. That sort of thing.

Wearing a burka or veil has little to do with religion, and everything to do with cultural mores. Many feel that when people from other cultures come to this country, they should at least go through the motions of adjusting to the new culture to which they've been granted citizenship. That doesn't seem too much to ask. And in fairness, most who emigrate here do adjust, and add diversity to the existing culture.

The David Menzies story in the Sun nicely defines the problem, and readers are fortunate that columnists like Tarek Fatah, Farzana Hussein and Salim Mansur have the courage to defy extremism, and put a touchy problem into perspective.

 
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One of the most significant local stories in recent times that has nationwide -- if not worldwide -- implications, is the one that appeared in the Toronto Sun on Tuesday about the 14-year-old boy in a...
One of the most significant local stories in recent times that has nationwide -- if not worldwide -- implications, is the one that appeared in the Toronto Sun on Tuesday about the 14-year-old boy in a...
 
 
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08:48 AM on 07/27/2012
WEll clearly every person whho worked at these LCBO's did not understand the culture whatsoever otherwise they would have noticed a devout Muslim woman was buying liquor, which is forbidden.
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Cynthia Dudley
04:40 PM on 07/26/2012
The real question is why they didn't ask why a supposedly observant Muslim was buying alcohol in the first place?
09:33 PM on 07/25/2012
This article is ridiculous. Had they asked for ID there would be a news article on how the monopoly is racist, denies service to those of a religious culture, how Canada doesn't like immigrants blah blah blah. It's stupid. Kids buy alcohol without proper identification, it happens ALL the time; burka or no burka.
05:55 PM on 07/25/2012
In Tunisia, which is considered as a touristic country, I work since almost a year - and at work, now for Ramadan, I have been "advised" not to drink and eat in front of my colleagues until they start to - although I am christian orthodox, a foreigner, and have nothing to do with islamic holidays! So what about my "human rights" since I have been in a way pushed to obey Ramadan customs?! For everyone complaining for burka issues in i.e. Europe or USA, just tell them to inform themselves how Europeans are treated in non-muslim countries for much less important issues than burka wearing! Thank you.
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emulsifier
I love the whole world, boom-de-ahda, boom-de-ahda
03:07 PM on 07/26/2012
We uphold ourselves to our own and better human standards and practices. You do not look at Tunisia or Saudi, and look at how they treat non-Muslims or even their own Muslims (such as women not driving) and demand that for yourself in the West.

Ridiculous fallacious argument.
05:04 PM on 07/25/2012
I am from pakistan and i live in qatar(middle east). i am however, a non-theist and dont wear any veil. But living in both these countries, i have seen and experienced that many, rather most women here who wear the niqab act not only offended and hostile but downright violent when asked to reveal their faces for the sake of security. Not only them, but the men of their family are willing to start a fist-fight if their women are asked to do so.This has provided the criminals and impostors with a HUGE advantage when passing through security. I understand that this article is written about and for a western society and the degree of extremism there might be a little less, but i do agree with the basic danger of allowing the veiled faces to remain veiled during security check-ups for religious or cultural reasons or for human rights' purposes.
03:30 PM on 07/25/2012
Is the Sun not liable as "Aiding and Abetting" the commission of a crime?

Furthermore, noticing an undercurrent of racially motivated actions from our Con leaders, and now from its infantile cousin, the Stun. The feds volleyed the removal of heath coverage for refugees, Ford suggests banishing immigrants and now this.

Inciting bigotry is something you'd hope our leaders would try to avoid. Not so when it feeds the latent racism within the base of the right wing.
08:52 AM on 07/27/2012
And every person Ive ever met who voted Conservative, when it got right down to it, only did it because they don't like immigrants.

Ad then when you get into it further, and I tell them that my mom, my grandparents, my boyfriend and his family are all immigrants, i always get, "Yeah but theyre from Britian and the US, we like THOSE immigrants."
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vogonpoet42
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12:34 PM on 07/25/2012
"Stunned News" "All the news thats fit to manufacture"
12:10 PM on 07/25/2012
A simple method to accommodate this particular cultural insanity would be to use retinal scanner or some other bio-metric measure for anyone who insists on hiding their face.
11:51 AM on 07/25/2012
A very valid point made by Peter Worthington. Just look at the current killings in Iraq and Afghanistan by terrorists posing in uniforms of police and soldiers. The burka would make an even easier disguise for a terrorist, male or female. As a point: I traveled from Rome to London for the first time in 1968 and saw so many veiled women in London streets that I thought I had landed in Arabia. Given the high security nowadays in Western countries and even elsewhere due to Islamic terrorists, the burkas, veils, the haiks, etc., could easily become disguises for Islamic fanatics seeking to create death and destruction. Sadly, for security reasons, such clothing should not be allowed in public spaces.
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10:51 AM on 07/25/2012
Should a Muslim even be buying alcohol at the point that they are wearing a burka?
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emulsifier
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03:10 PM on 07/26/2012
No sir, I do not think such a dichotomy would ever exist in reality.
10:38 AM on 07/25/2012
I must admit, I found this pretty funny, the news business is very competitive...
10:37 AM on 07/25/2012
This shows 100% if you are wearing a burka you will be treated differently and Canadians are polite.

I think the book "dress for success" makes the point that how you dress is important, the burka sends a message.

There have been a number of robberies with people wearing burka's, it is hard to identy someone dressed in such away.
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10:09 AM on 07/25/2012
Wait, you're telling me that asking for an ID card is now "scary"?
Are you kidding me?
My guess is the LCBO guys didnt care and saw away of getting away with selling the alcohol regardless of who was under there.
I've been buying alcohol since I was 16 with fake IDs, the LCBO guys really dont care in many places and especially in smaller areas (downtown was the toughest)
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10:08 AM on 07/25/2012
Well this kid had a brilliant idea tbh. I just hope more people don't try it LOL.
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10:58 PM on 07/25/2012
It wasn`t his idea. This was a stunt manufactured by the Sun.
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06:51 AM on 07/26/2012
Where is the proof?
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freeSpeakr
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08:19 AM on 07/25/2012
Everything I read about Islam says alcohol is forbidden.

If someone in a burka is buying alcohol then they're not a muslim, in which case simply remove the face covering and show picture id showing an uncovered face. Or, if in fact, Islam is built on myths, like Christianity, Judaism, etc, etc, etc then the burka doesn't matter. In that case simply remove the face covering and show picture id.

Religion divides us. Time to evolve past it.
08:37 AM on 07/25/2012
I know plenty of Muslims that partake in drinking alcohol....then again, I know many Christians that covet their neighbors' wives.
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freeSpeakr
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08:45 AM on 07/25/2012
me too, and there's the rub (with fundamentalist interpretations of religious dogma).
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Thaddeus Jude
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11:03 AM on 07/25/2012
Of course, but at the point that they're wearing a burka, you'd imagine they'd be devout enough to not drink alcohol.
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10:10 AM on 07/25/2012
Most of the civilized world IS evolving past religion very rapidly. Much of Scandinavia is now over 50% atheist, and another 30% or so agnostic. Even Israel is now 35% atheist. The United States is the most religious nation of all the developed nations, so it is easy for Americans to perceive the "world" as being stuck in fairy tale land. Nope - it's just you.
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freeSpeakr
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11:37 PM on 07/25/2012
Still too many people think the Flintstones is a History Channel doc.