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Canada's Brave Withdrawal From Kyoto

Posted: 12/14/11 10:56 AM ET

As the leader of a party of one in Parliament, Elizabeth May's support or opposition verges on the irrelevant, yet that doesn't inhibit her from speaking out.

And speaking out is perhaps what she does best -- witness her understated concern about Canada pulling out of the Kyoto agreement. In this, Canada is showing leadership that will likely be emulated by other countries that have doubts about the value of Kyoto (India and Russia). We, and others, are catching up to U.S. concerns.

In her quiet way, Ms. May wrote in the Huffington Post that she thinks by Canada quitting Kyoto, "you (the average citizen) may feel like throwing yourself down and weeping for the betrayal of our future."

As far as one can tell, so far May is the only one who feels so inclined.

Agreeing to the new scheme reached at the climate change conference in Durban, South Africa was according to May "our chance to avoid cataclysmatic [sic] climate change." She thinks "Stephen Harper must not be allowed to get away with this."

For some who had doubts about Canada quitting the Kyoto agreement that it had ratified under the Chrétien government, May's reaction confirms that Harper and Environment Minister Peter Kent have done the right thing.

Doing opposite to May isn't a bad formula for doing what's right.

As it is, the proposed refurbished Kyoto nonsense wasn't to be signed until 2015, and won't take effect until 2020. Doesn't that alone indicate it's uselessness?

In fact, there's no evidence (just theorizing) that if every country diligently lived up to Kyoto carbon emission standards, it would have the slightest effect on climate change -- which we don't understand (much less control) anyway.

What we do know is that buying emission credits from polluting countries like China, which has escaped Kyoto protocols because it's backward and needs to catch up, is another wealth-redistributing scheme.

To many, the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has been discredited by being selective and dogmatic about the validity of climate change (global warming) -- by saying that it is largely the product of human negligence and not a cyclical occurrence.

Arrogance sometimes dictates that we think our industrial activities have greater influence on nature than they do. Common sense, as well as science, indicate otherwise.

Kent says staying with Kyoto would cost Canada something like $14 billion to buy carbon credits abroad. May disputes this, but others think it would cost more.

Of course, Canada could reduce its carbon emissions to 6 per cent below what they were in 1990, instead of what they are today -- 30 per cent higher than in 1990. To paraphrase May, that really would be "cataclysmatic" to the Canadian economy.

Even the Liberal government didn't try to live up to what it agreed to when it ratified the original Kyoto protocol.

"Legally binding" is a term tossed around regarding Kyoto, and it is meaningless. Nothing is legally binding when it comes to national interests, no matter the country. Canada made no secret of its contempt for Kyoto, and it's good that we can abandon hypocrisy and move on.

Having said all that, as a nation and as a people, we should seek to cut back on pollution, reduce carbon emissions (which are not pollution) and do what we can to safeguard the environment while creating jobs and advancing the economy.

 
 
 
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JBSCanada
They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot!
01:20 AM on 01/03/2012
How is it that the European countries were able to meet and beat their Kyoto targets by as much as 14% - and we not only couldn't match our targets, we didn't even bother to try?

Germany is making a killing selling many thousands of solar panels and thousands of wind-turbines world-wide. By the way, until Greece, etc... Germany's economy was romping along - on top of the challenges of getting out of the nuclear-power business.

You've got to hand it to the Germans, they take a challenge, make it look easy, and make a fortune out of the deal. What's wrong over here?
11:24 PM on 12/19/2011
Peter Worthington, just where do you get off declaring that my representative in parliament is irrelevant? She was elected. Were you? Her party had 3.9% of the national vote. How many did you have? She has a very long and impressive history of working for our environment, and her party was the only one to have submitted its platform to the parliamentary budget officer toi ensure that it had done its homework correctly.

With regard to the 14 billion, May disputed Kent's assertion that we would pay penalties of that amount. She was correct, and Kent was lying when her labeled those payments as penalties. They represent the cost of paying others to meet our commitments.

When you state that the Liberals did not try to meet their commitments, you are "exagerating". They were disgustingly late in adopting a plan, but they were not the ones who upon entering power, immediately abandoned what plan had been adopted. It was the "Conservatives" went full steam in the other direction, and the carbon credits that you refer to having to buy are simply proportional to how far we have progressed in the wrong direction.

The one issue upon which you have not bent the truth, though the word "leadership" is ludicrous in this context, is your declaration that other countries will likely follow in our footsteps in abandoning climate action. I am as disgusted by your bending of the facts, as I am by my country's "leadership".
01:48 AM on 12/18/2011
All discussion of costs of staying in Kyoto are meaningless when we consider the immeasurably more disastrous economic consequences of failing to preserve the environment on which our economy depends. This isn't about a choice between economic hardship or environmental destruction; this is about avoiding the total economic collapse that would come with total environmental collapse. Kyoto was too little, too late, but now we are doing nothing at all -- and our pull-out weakens the initiative of those nations that might have been making some genuine progress.
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Maria Korovessis Sewell
To decimate is to reduce by one tenth.
09:23 AM on 12/16/2011
"Doing opposite to May isn't a bad formula for doing what's right." Shows impeccable thought process - what a contribution to public discourse.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
12:50 AM on 12/16/2011
Go to American Indian Institute & read the statement... same message 31 yrs. ago & 22 yrs. ago & 8 yrs. ago & 2 yrs. ago..

"We will never have peace as long as we make war on Mother Earth."

A quote from the 2008 Haudenosaunee Statement to the United Nations' Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues presented by Oren Lyons, Onondaga Faith Keeper.

American Indian Institute

www.twocircles.org

&

GLOBAL WELL-BEING TOOLKIT on CLIMATE CHANGE AND CLIMATE JUSTICE

http://www.ggjalliance.org/node/497

from: http://www.mynewsletterbuilder.com/email/newsletter/1410565071

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www.350reasons.org - a website presenting 350 reasons why carbon trading will not serve to stabilize the climate. You can submit your own reasons for opposing carbon trading via a web-form on this site.
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uneeda
Make Peace in Our Time
08:09 PM on 12/15/2011
Worthington suggests that because Ms.May is the solitary Green in the House,her opinions are irrelevant.The reality is Ms.May represents a significant percentage of the voters across the country.
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calisel99
life began wit the first self replicating molecule
02:07 AM on 12/16/2011
sadly ms may only garnered 2.5 percent of the vote...not really a significant percentage and add to that the the greens lost a number of votes in this last election...and of course the only reason she even has the 1 green seat is because she shamelessly moved around the country till she could find a riding that she could win
01:51 AM on 12/18/2011
Worthington also suggests that facts are determined democratically; that the apathy of the majority of Canadians towards the environment means that we needn't be worrying about a coming environmental disaster. Not only is it true that May reflects a significant fraction of Canadians, but it's also true that the size of the fraction that has been awakened to the real and urgent need to do something to prevent environmental disaster does not determine how very real that coming disaster is. Reality isn't determined democratically, and even if a minority supports May, that minority is right.
02:26 PM on 12/15/2011
What blithe disregard for the fact that Elizabeth May is the elected representative of many Canadians, and indirectly represents many other Canadians who did not have an analogous choice in their riding. The insinuation that anything May supports is bad for Canada and anything she opposes is good for Canada, is ridiculous and illogical on its face, not to mention narrowminded and simplistic. I guess being Worthington and having founded Canada's version of News of the World gives him the right to claim ideological, moral, intellectual or any other form of other superiority over anyone he disagrees with.
11:31 AM on 12/15/2011
Does anyone have Stephen Harper on record saying he does or not believe in climate change. His actions show he does not believe in climate change, but I would like to know what the conservative party position on the matter is. I think it is a fair and simple question to ask.
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RobLuzecky
03:30 AM on 12/15/2011
Mr. Worthington's point, that we should rather passively do what we can to save the environment as long as it does not interfere with our economic interests is quite simply flawed. First, the opinions he uses to justify his point are uninformed and reflective ideologically skewed mind. Second his level of skepticism toward 'theory' makes one wonder what exactly constitute valid grounds for action in Mr. Worthington's universe. Third, and perhaps most troubling, Mr. Worthington seems to forget that environmental concerns have logical priority over economic concerns; if we continue to damage the environment that sustains us, we seriously undermine any means to facilitate an economy of any sort.
01:31 AM on 12/15/2011
Under the Kyoto agreement, article 37 allows the withdrawal after approx 2002. Canada is in complete compliance and following the agreement. Chretien should never have signed it, as he knew it was impossible to meet. Besides its junk science and all about the money.
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calisel99
life began wit the first self replicating molecule
02:10 AM on 12/16/2011
global warming is junk science cmon really!...global warming is a fact that 98 percent of scientists agree on,whats ultimatly responsible for global warming is another story
02:04 PM on 12/18/2011
OK let me add that the "fact" or "theory" that Global warming is man made, that's junk science.
11:42 PM on 12/18/2011
98 percent is an underestimate. Scientists are quite convinced by the evidence, and it's hard to find one who is a climate change denier.
01:58 AM on 12/18/2011
It's funny how a generation that loves technology and is addicted to the latest gadgets is so quick to disparage the scientists who produce the science on which all of that technology is based the moment that the scientists happen to report a fact that's inconvenient.

Science isn't a left-wing conspiracy. Climate change and other forms of environmental destruction caused by humanity are a reality, and we need to do something significant today to stave off the environmental -- and economic -- disaster that will happen if we don't take action. If you want to question the science, read the papers and find the flaw. "I just don't want to believe it, so it must be junk," isn't peer review.
02:09 PM on 12/18/2011
There are many cases of scientists fudging data for the money or reconitiion, also many examples of scientists making misakes.

1. Climate change humanity are a reality -FALSE, no proof whatsoever
2. we need to do something significan­t - FALSE

There are dozens of papers that contradict, as well much of the "proof" is nonsense.

You can make a better case for God than Global Warming, people want to believe in their religions, regardless of lack of proof. Go ahead, believe in yourreligion, just dont ask me to pay for it.

Look, you will not find any facts supporting Global warming is man made.
12:15 AM on 12/19/2011
IPCC statement on the melting of Himalayan glaciers1
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/presentations/himalaya-statement-20january2010.pdf

There statement on the melting was shown to be completely false, the big beneficiaries to funding, 100's of billions have been the warmests.
There have been so many exaggerations and falsehoods it is really a joke..

It is much like religion, a stain on a building is thought to be the virgin mary, a flood somewhere is thought to be Global Warming caused by man.
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CarlyQ
Without followers, evil cannot spread.
01:13 AM on 12/15/2011
I give up. I am officially renouncing my feelings, concerns and ethics as a member of the human species to focus on the only things that matter: immediate gratification and money. After all, if you can't beat them, join them, right?

Ergo, from this point forward, I will no longer recycle because most developing countries don't. Why should I make an effort when nobody else does?

I will not donate to food banks or thrift shops because poor people are leeches. If you can't afford food, clothing or housing that's too bad, it's your fault and you probably deserve it because 1) you haven't worked hard enough or 2) you made stupid decisions at some point in your life beginning at birth.

I'm going to run as much water as I like because I live in Canada and if you were born in an arid country, that's your fault, too. If you want water, get a job and pay for it.

I'm going to lie. The Conservatives have recently made it ethical so it must be okay, since they're Christian and all. If Christians can lie and still be better than the rest of society, then it's okay.

Lastly, let's "hang 'em high" - preferably Mussolini-style. Bring on the Crime Bill and death penalty, too. While we're at it, let's impose legislation that makes it legal to "detain" citizens indefinitely. Like the USA.

Now excuse me while I hurl. Donning the conservative garb has made me suddenly sick.
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Tony frm Banff
Search for truth,not spin
10:59 AM on 12/15/2011
Oh! dont leave the human race for the dark and evil side like a right wing conservative reformer rednecked yellow belly blood sucker.
Come back to the good side and keep the fight to stop this dreaded evil called the cons of Canada!
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Peter Burgess1
12:25 AM on 12/15/2011
China’s GDP income per capita, per 1 ton of GHG emissions: $ 435
Canada’s GDP income per capita, per 1 ton of GHG emissions: $ 2,348

Canadian income per capita: $39,171
China’s income per capita: $ 7,544

$7544 / $435 = 17.34 economical cost per person, per 1 ton of GHG emissions
$39,171 / $2, 348 = 16.68 economical cost per person, per 1 ton of GHG emissions Note this is without factoring total emissions so far.

China’s % of world GHG’s: 17%
Canada’s % of world GHG’s: 2%

China’s GDP income per capita, per 1 ton of GHG emissions: $ 435
Since they are emitting 8.5 times as much as Canada, each Chinese person is earning 8.5 tons worth of income for each ton a Canadian is.

China’s GDP income / capita, * 8.5 tons of GHG emissions: $ 3,697.5
Canada’s GDP income /capita,* 1 ton of GHG emissions: $ 2,348

The end ratio is 1.57 times economically more difficult for a Canadian to reduce GHG emissions per ton as it would for a Chinese person. This means infrastructure, services, healthcare, day care, education, taxes and so on.

Yet China is given a pass, and Canada is to be burnt at the stake.
Sorry but we’re not playing nice-guy-finishes-last just because you wave pictures of kids in Africa at us and don't have the guts to face down China.
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
06:29 AM on 12/15/2011
Thanks for that breakdown
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Peter Burgess1
12:19 AM on 12/15/2011
Anyone who can't recognize that a country of 34M will always lose a per capita argument with a country that has 1.3B can't appreciate math. They are 36 times our population­. If we entered Mad Max times reduced our emissions to 10% of our current they would still be polluting "less" based on per capita.

Secondly there is the question of sacrifice. The purpose of Kyoto is to find a way to do this so it is fair to everyone. China argues it would be too much of a sacrifice to rduce it's emissions even 1%of worldwide total, but by per capita, supposedly­, it should be 36 times more severe economical­ly than it would be for Canada. It would be worse, but not 36 times worse but hey, that's the "golden" per capita argument for you.

For Canada dropping 1% is 50% of our total emissions and only 1/17th of Chinas. Which country is sacrificin­g more reducing that 1%?

Further there is (as per kyoto) the question of economic reliance. When China emits 1 ton of GHG's they only make $434 for that. China pollutes for cheap. Canada earns $2,348 for the same 1 ton of GHG's. So if we understand math, we understand who is making the -astronomi­cally- larger sacrifice between China and Canada to lower the GHG's by 1% of world total.

And that is why people who just blurt out, "Canada pollutes more per capita" and think they've found the answer to everything are idiots.
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baizhongtang
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10:29 PM on 12/14/2011
I vote for Worthington to be named most awful Canadian of 2011.
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Maria Korovessis Sewell
To decimate is to reduce by one tenth.
09:18 AM on 12/16/2011
Allow me to fan you, & fave your suggestion.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
09:34 PM on 12/14/2011
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