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I Thought Atheists Believed in Reason

Posted: 04/25/2012 2:29 pm

It doesn't seem like a big deal, and it certainly wouldn't have been in Canada of the past, but today it's an issue that makes headlines.

It involves a routine blessing by a city councilor before a banquet in Saskatoon to honour civic volunteers, and ended with the dreaded word: "Amen."

Sounds harmless? Maybe once upon a time, but no longer.

A Christian prayer to bless the food about to be served is pretty standard for many functions -- Canadian and Empire Club luncheons, Rotary or Lions Club dinners, military mess dinners, convention feed fests.

According to the National Post, one Ashu Solo was so offended at a Christian prayer before the meal that he intends to lodge a complaint with the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission.

Solo was offended because the prayer made him "feel like a second-class citizen." How come, you might ask? Because he's an atheist, and now feels he's "become a victim of religious bigotry and discrimination."

Solo, who is a member of Saskatoon's cultural diversity and race relations committee, was among those "volunteers" being honoured at the dinner. To him, a Christian prayer at a civic event violates the principle of church and state being separate.

Taxpayers' money paid for the dinner, so there should have been no urging of the Almighty (presuming there is an Almighty) to bless the food. Solo claims Canada "is not a Christian country...It is a secular, multicultural country and secular and multicultural city with ... numerous religions as well as spiritual people, agnostics and atheists."

He called the dinner prayer "religious bigotry."

This sort of fuss is happening all over the place these days. Unfortunately (for some), human rights commissions are an invitation for extremist accusations and create alienation by abandoning common sense.

It could be argued that citizens who believe in any religion are unlikely to feel humiliated or discriminated against by a pre-dinner prayer.

Why is it that those who don't believe in God, whose religion is disbelief, are more likely to be offended by the mention of God? Surely, only an extremist lacking in faith would take offence at a benign plea to the Divinity before a banquet.

Solo wants an apology from Saskatoon mayor Don Atchison and assurances that there'll be no more prayers at civic events. One hopes Mayor Atchison politely tells him to stuff it.

And it would be reassuring if the human rights commission assured Solo that a blessing before a meal may be a ritual, but it's not religious bigotry. If he feels second-class, it's his own doing.

Meanwhile, the tribunal chief of the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal, Shirish Chotalia, is having a nervous breakdown, or something that has persuaded her to take "stress leave" after the Federal Court criticized her management.

As well as employee complaints against her being upheld by an independent investigator, the Federal Court ruled against Chotalia's support of the federal government's refusal to give equal funding to off-reserve aboriginal children as it does to on-reserve kids.

The judge questioned the fairness of the decision and ordered that the issue be reviewed again. Hence Chotalia's "stress leave."

If there were no human rights commissions, Chotalia would have no excuse for being stressed out, and no one would be paying attention to Solo's silly rants. Is that reason enough to be rid of them?

Probably not.

 
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03:32 PM on 04/26/2012
What if, before the beginning of every meal, we all said "Thank logic and reason that we don't believe in god or other imaginary deities"? I'm sure Christians would have an issue with that, and rightfully so.
03:17 PM on 04/26/2012
The defense of public prayer has taken a turn that may eventually prove to be its undoing. Instead of "This is a Christian nation" or "God should not be excluded from political life," prayer in schools and at public gatherings is being defended by Mr. Worthington and others as a long-established, harmless tradition, which should offend no reasonable person. Whether you agree with this position or not (I don't; it violates our God-given right to be offended) it represents an important step toward the trivialization of prayer. It is no longer obeisance to that old fellow in the sky. It is just a vestigial social form, like clinking glasses before taking a sip of wine or--as one commenter mentioned--saying "God bless you" when somebody sneezes. The glass clinking no longer has anything to do with concern about the wine's being poisoned, and "God bless you" is no longer said to fend off evil spirits that may invade you when you sneeze. Letting public prayer descend the slippery slope toward innocuous irrelevance may in the end be a more effective way to get religion out of the public sphere than direct efforts through human rights commissions and the like.
03:16 PM on 04/26/2012
I wonder if it was being offended that drove Mr. Solo to lodging a complaint or undergoing a frightening experience of being in a room full of people talking to a imaginary being.
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waldopepper
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01:53 PM on 04/26/2012
Dear Mr Worthington.

I don't want you to turn my country into America. And I will oppose you every chance I get.
01:52 PM on 04/26/2012
As an athiest, I am uncomfortable with any type of prayer at any tax-payer function (unless we can also have someone add "there is no god" at the end of the prayer); however I don't have much to add that others haven't already said above.

The problem I do have with this article is the way that Mr. Worthington has
discounted Ms. Chotalia's stress leave from the CHRT. This kind of "eye-rolling" does nothing for the stigma that surrounds those with mental illness.
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10:01 AM on 04/26/2012
Mr. Solo should just chill out. Some people seem to be on the look out for stuff to be offended about. I have been an agnostic most of my life, but have no problem if someone wants to say grace before a meal (public or private). Like it or not religion is a part of our culture and you can't get rid of one without destroying the other. Can you imagine Mexico without their religious festivals, no Semana Santa or day of the dead etc., it wouldn't be the same place. We almost destroyed our first-nations people by forbiding them the right to practice their religion/culture and imposing our own. People of faith should not all be judged because of the intolerant, in your face, religious kooks out there who think you're morally inferior because your an athiest.
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duggyg
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09:27 AM on 04/26/2012
Surely this ritual prayer smacks of a self righteous assumption, something that could be done singularly, individually, is promulgated upon a not necessarily compliant crowd, as though it would be something they should accept, whether or not they do. It's a fantastic arrogance, it' s the same attitude exactly as that which promulgates proselytizing among the "heathens".
11:41 AM on 04/26/2012
Theyve been getting away with it for far too long.
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Azim S Khan
09:12 AM on 04/26/2012
I didn't find the prayer to be offensive... I did find this article to be a bit insulting. :/
I agree saying a prayer makes an atheist feel like "a second class citizen" is a bit excessive, but it's not like atheists are usually unreasonable.
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08:18 AM on 04/26/2012
Athiests are like any other group of people. Would you say "I thought Christians were supposed to care for the poor" if you found one example of a Christian who does not? Of course you wouldn't, because that would be bigotry. So how about we allow Athiests the same courtesy?
08:13 AM on 04/26/2012
i agree a pray should not have been a part of this occasion. personally i wouldn't be offended. in an age when there are sooooooooo many different religions, spiritual practices and non-spiritual practices why just offer a Christian prayer? sure it's part of tradition, BUT, that tradition should be examined in the context of the diversity that is now Canada.
06:59 AM on 04/26/2012
Mr. Worthington, when has religion EVER followed "common" sense?
11:48 AM on 04/26/2012
"Religion is based . . . mainly on fear . . . fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. . . . My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race." [Bertrand Russell]
05:38 AM on 04/26/2012
Christian prayers used to work in Canada when the nearest Muslim was likely 2,000 miles away. Old school politics endorsed Christianity, accepted Judaism, and eschewed Islam. More modern Christian politicians 'tolerate' all religions, but 'know' that their religions is the real one. Therein lies the problem with a Christian prayer at public functions. Regardless of how you dress it up, it is still perceived as an endorsement of religion in general and Christianity specifically. While the atheist may be the first to speak up, I imagine many Muslims are also offended by the obvious Christian bias being embraces by their government. As are Hindus, Sikhs, etc. The best (and really only) option in a multicultural society is for the government to endorse no religion, thus allowing all religions to feel equal. Read 'The Heathen's Guide to World Religions' for more. It's on Amazon.
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09:16 AM on 04/26/2012
Islam has far more in common with Judaism than Christianity does, I find that bit to be particularly sad about the whole thing. A lot of Christians refuse to even try and understand other views.
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04:47 AM on 04/26/2012
im an atheist, but its not really a big deal...my step dad says grace at the table for xmas and thanksgiving dinner...i dont care for it, but its his house and i just keep quiet till hes done...as for the public prayer, its getting very old...hell ,we cant even say merry christmas anymore cuz it offends people...and especially in canada were so many cultures practice different religions, it might just offend someone who is religious as well....
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sgillhoolley
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08:20 AM on 04/26/2012
I've been an agnostic since I was a wee child, and I never cared for having Christian prayers foisted upon me. We live in a free society, not a Christian one. You are free to pray on your own, but don't try to force me to do it. Besides, do you really want some non-believer mucking up your prayers?
12:31 PM on 04/26/2012
"It's his house" is the key here... government tends to behave as though this is 'their house'.. not for those of us who disagree to raise our issue... this is typical arrogance of those who believe in mythology and try to run the lives of others on platforms no more solid than the tooth fairy and santa claus.. I totally disagree with Worthington's tired outdated view of what the rest of the world should put up with. Hey, you have enough dough, why don't you just fade away? Your ideas have less relevance every year.
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01:11 AM on 04/26/2012
I can understand you lack empathy for Mr. Solo and I understand the lack of consideration shown by imposing a christian prayer on the participants. Religion has a capacity to inure its disciples with a sense of exceptionalism such that one has difficulty seeing beyond one's mythical boundaries.

If I, as part of my religion, I had urinated on your head table, you might have some sense of how the cascading myopia of a prayer is felt by the religiously challenged.
01:06 AM on 04/26/2012
It is impossible to deny that Solo is right. Anti-theists have been silent for far too long. Our tolerance in the past has been mistaken for acceptance.

"Religions are tough. Either they make no contentions which are subject to disproof or they quickly redesign doctrine after disproof.

The fact that religions can be so shamelessly dishonest, so contemptuous of the intelligence of their adherents, and still flourish does not speak very well for the tough-mindedness of the believers.

But it does indicate, if a demonstration was needed, that near the core of the religious experience is something remarkably resistant to rational inquiry." - Carl Sagan