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My Dog And I Pooh-Pooh Your Bag Ban

Posted: 06/12/2012 11:42 am

They always go too far.

There were a lot of people (like me) who were initially upset when stores began charging five cents for a plastic bag -- mostly because when shopping at Loblaws I'd forget to bring a cloth bag. Also, I found plastic bags enormously useful to have around -- not only for garbage at home, but also when walking the dog.

That's even greater concern now that City Council has gone nuts, and as well as dropping the five-cent charge come January 1, they want to make plastic bags illegal. Ban them outright. By a 27-17 vote. The dolts. Do they have any idea how this ban is going to affect, say, dog owners who depend of plastic bags to "pick up" after Fido does his business? What'll happen is that people will revert to doing nothing when the pooch poops. Let nature take care of it -- biodegradable and all that.

Again, I and innumerable others, often wonder what happens to the five cents charged by store for a plastic bag. Common sense tells you it vanishes into the store's coffers, not into financing good works. Oh, some of the plastic bag money may reach needy projects, but I'll bet mostly it's a windfall for the stores. Plastic bag bookkeeping probably costs more than the bag revenue.

At another level, how can plastic bags be banned? Who do those councilors think they are? Who'll police the ban? Surely not our cops. Why would they? It seems the councilor responsible for introducing the ban that's been pounced on by a mish-mash of council's lefties and think-alikes, was David Shiner, son of the late and oft-lamented Esther Shiner, an alderman who fought tenaciously for the city and what she felt was in its interests.

Before entering municipal politics, David Shiner ran a clothing store. Supposedly, under the plastic bag ban anyone buying shirts or undies will carry them out in their arms, or their own un-plastic bag, or a paper bag.
Mayor Rob Ford seems a bit shell-shocked that his proposal to end the five-cent fee, has escalated to ban the bags entirely. I haven't a clue how many jobs are at stake in the plastic bag industry (nor have the 27 councilors who voted for the ban), but anything that jeopardize honest jobs and a useful service is to be avoided.

This ban came out of the blue -- no consultants, no surveys, no thought about consequences. Just knee-jerkism.

Some councilors with a more realistic grasp on common sense -- like Norm Kelly -- predict the bag ban "will never see the light of day." Well, it's already the "light of day," and the ban is starting to wither. Or is it?

Maybe those whose living is linked with manufacturing plastic bags will sue the city. If they do, they might just win. There seems no way that courts will support a ban of plastic bags for no reason other than a bunch of councilors think it is "green" to do so.

The plastic bag fiasco stands as another example of those in charge trying to improve on an issue that succeeded (sort of), and going too far into an area they know little about, having done no research, and simply reacting mindlessly and collectively.

As a conservative, David Shiner should have pangs on his conscience.

 
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11:28 AM on 07/27/2012
Thanks for posting this! You are completely right. This bag ban just doesn't make any sense. The fee of five cents is probably just to cover other discrepancies in their bookkeeping. I can't believe they would go this far.
01:12 PM on 06/13/2012
It seems to me that there should be restrictions on what the Reps. can Legislate "on". There are too much triviality, and non sensical preoccupations. Could we use the Charter to limit their idiotic behavior? Could the use of Referandum be any better for certain things that affect us.
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tokenblackman
12:47 PM on 06/13/2012
Wow Peter, this is a classic example of first world problems. If this issue is causing you this much stress you might want to reevaluate your your life.
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Nic the wonder puppy
When life throws lemons, throw them back
11:45 AM on 06/13/2012
Yes, and well said for a human
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10:26 AM on 06/13/2012
I will remind ALL of you that it was the most CONSERVATIVE counsoler who brought this to a vote, not any one of the liberal ones.
And I will also remind you that this was promted by Ford asking the counsle to vote to remove the 5 cent tax on plastic bags, a completely fair measure.
So maybe you other conservative should have supported the 5 cents eh?
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Pondering panda
09:27 AM on 06/13/2012
I use bio degradable bags for my pooches. The ones you paid for in the store has holes in em anyway... No thanks. I'll be happy to see the plastic bag go.
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northof49th
08:59 AM on 06/13/2012
Back to the future there buddy having a ban on plastic bags should of happen years ago. You also can purchase bio- degradable bags for your dog, canvas bags for your groceries. You forgetting your bag well go see your doctor or wrap one around your head so you won't forget it or maybe I'm wrong maybe you should take it off so you can see what's really going on around you .
07:19 AM on 06/13/2012
You can use small paper bags to pick up after your dogs.
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Xavier Jumbo G
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05:38 PM on 06/13/2012
You can also use this "news paper" called the "toronto sun". Works really well for absorbing animal poop. The problem is you have to pay 50 cents or whatever it costs (i obviously dont buy it),and therefore giving money to "journalists " like ezra levant ,sueanne levy and michael coren.This is pretty much all the sun is good for.
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foogie
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11:31 PM on 06/12/2012
Wow, man, do you ever check any of your 'facts'? The vote was 24-20 in this case, not 27-17. In this instance, the actual numbers matter little but the fact that virtually every 'factual' statement you make is wrong (I'm speaking historically here) makes it difficult to consider your opinion to be informed.

There have been dozens of plastic bag ban studies done around the world, including the US and Canada. In the interest of the 'financial responsibility' that Ford and his puppets claim is paramount, we really don't need to waste money on another one, right? There are also many existing plastic bag bans that have survived legal challenges so there's no reason that this ban, supported by evidence and precedence, won't.

A few points:

Small, thin, dog waste bags can still be purchased. They are cheaper apiece than 5 cents and use much less plastic. Used plastic bags from the grocery store are not your only option here so move on.

Biodegradable plastic bags are a marketing gimmick. The vast majority of them only biodegrade under very specific circumstances that do not exist in urban landfills (such as Toronto's) so they are not a viable alternative. They end up hanging around forever like other plastic bags.

Re-usable bags _can_ get dirty, true. I have a radical solution to this problem: clean them on occasion. They can be machine-washed and hung to dry along with your regular loads. That should clear up that problem.
11:25 PM on 06/12/2012
Founder of a major newspaper must be rich and he's upset about 5 cents. The "light of day" is the state of the ocean. The mindless and collective action is destroying the earth.
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10:24 PM on 06/12/2012
Soooo, they shouldn't ban plastic bags because you use them to clean up your dogs poo! Wow, really, I imagine you are just joking, but if you are serious, seriously, get a grip...

"Maybe those whose living is linked with manufacturing plastic bags will sue the city."

No, the corporation may sue the city, but those who earn a living in the industry will lose their jobs and have to find another one...

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, the other co-founder of the Toronto Sun was the brains behind the project....
08:50 PM on 06/12/2012
Stop the whining. Over a quarter of the world's countries have banned plastic bags and are doing fine. San Francisco is an example of a big city with a ban since 2007. As for the "germ ridden' reusable bag defense, get a cotton bag and throw the damthing in the wash occasionally.
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see-ellen2001
06:03 PM on 06/12/2012
Dog owners, fret not! The city is planning to unveil and poop, scoop, recycle program at a park near you! You simply load up your reusable, Eco-friendly bag with doggy-do-do, then deposit at the Eco-waste depot. Sadly you must figure out a way to get said do into said bag :(
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Gnomish
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09:28 PM on 06/12/2012
I have an alternate idea that solves that problem as well! Research continues.

Maker fair is coming up.
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Xavier Jumbo G
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04:11 AM on 06/13/2012
They sell these things called "pooper scoopers".I got one for 12 bucks years ago.They are great for many reasons, Not having to use plastic bags is great and not bending down when you have a back-injury is also a plus.
05:07 PM on 06/12/2012
How many retailers will lose out on impulse purchasers because I don't have a bag with me. How many reusable bags do I really need to stuff my closet with because I had to buy another one unexpectedly. Sure we can use paper - of course it costs more to the retailer, is heavier/unit to ship to the retailer, for the consumer, it is bulkier, it tears, it isn't waterproof and is generally less user friendly. I’d also like to point out that the gross volume of items going to the landfill INSIDE the bag far exceeds the bag itself. If you have embraced recycling, you are just as likely to be putting the bag into the blue bin along with all the other packaging. If not, then the bag is not the problem! Perhaps rather than lining the pockets of the retailers @ 5 cents a pop, or banning the bags outright, we should try incenting those same retailers to manage the problem at it’s source. We have the science and engineering behind the market - we have created biodegradable and bio-ethical (ie non-oil based) plastic substitutes. Encourage reusable, but be realistic with the single use need. Perhaps if we actually tried to tackle the problem rather than nanny state it, we could come up with a win/win solution.
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05:06 PM on 06/12/2012
Sadly, the argument in favour of "poop and scoop" convenience is hardly compelling - whether empty or full of biological waste this bag is still going to end up in the landfill - now doing a fine job of preserving your dog offerings in the process. If you have a dog, live with the cost of managing their waste disposal. I am SO opposed to a plastic bag ban - especially as an ill considered knee jerk response to an already poorly executed initiative. I think the 5 cent fee has encouraged more people to embrace reusable bags - I'm one of them (frankly, I like that I can carry a ton of groceries without the bag handles tearing, as I caress my milk bag all the way to the fridge!); however I am deeply offended at the green-washing that has propagated what is really just a cost transference opportunity for the retail sector far beyond the GTA. Lets try and put some intelligence behind the argument to save the plastic bag and use a considered approach to how we do this in a 'green' way. While reusable works best much of the time, single use still has a place - I don't always want to carry a dozen extra bags just in case I see a good sale and want to stock up on canned soup! Not to mention that it's not always about the groceries.