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Are Women to Blame For Immature Men?

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:56 am

Lately, we've all been hearing a lot about the rise of women and the fall of boys. Statistics and personal testimonies have come to prove that while women are charging full speed ahead into that corner office, "men are in trouble."

It's sad that a significant block of the feminist movement was dedicated not only to the rise of women, but the utter failure of men. It's even sadder that this block seems to be succeeding. CNN reports:

In 1970, men earned 60% of all college degrees. In 1980, the figure fell to 50%, by 2006 it was 43%. Women now surpass men in college degrees by almost three to two. Women's earnings grew 44% in real dollars from 1970 to 2007, compared with 6% growth for men. In 1950, 5% of men at the prime working age were unemployed. As of last year, 20% were not working, the highest ever recorded.


Success shouldn't be a zero-sum game, but evidently, that's the game we're playing.

So who's to blame? Is it man-bashing feminists? Shifting gender roles? The ailing job market? Men? Women? Most likely an unhealthy combination of all the above. Today, however, I'm inclined to stick women in the hot seat... more specifically, myself.

I have three jobs. Two writing and one corporate gig. Two days ago I was offered what very may well be my dream job. Mere hours ago I was offered another competitive job. Point is, I should be walking on clouds. But I'm not. Why? Because in between the dismal release of the U.S. September jobs report, accepting my dream job, and getting yet another job offer, I also broke up with my quasi-boyfriend. Sure, I lucked out in this abysmal job market, but I didn't luck out in the equally abysmal dating game. These days, finding a good man might be even harder than finding a good job.

To be fair, unlike many young men today, this new quasi-ex of mine is not only gainfully employed, he has a very impressive resume. But, let's just say, our two months of pseudo-dating was a lot of me knowing what I wanted and him simply not wanting to make a decision. In between his initial "I really like you" and final "I adore you," there were a lot of "I dunnos" and "maybes." Well, maybe he just didn't like me that much. After all, that's the logical reason a guy would not want to date exclusively, right? Eh. Not really in today's dating game.

Of course, I had emailed a handful of my best friends by the time 9 a.m. hit this morning, and -- as is to be expected -- they all responded sympathetically. But, what was most surprising (and arguably more upsetting than the actual quasi-breakup) was that almost all of them responded with a resounding "UGH. I know how you feel."

We all seem to keep running into guys who simply don't know what they want. Sure, they like us, but they can't seem to make up their minds if they like us just enough to date us.

In her article "Are women leaving men behind?" Hanna Rosin claims that "[i]n certain segments of society, men are struggling to stay relevant in this rapidly changing economy, as manufacturing jobs disappear. Women, meanwhile, are making many more of the decisions: how to raise the children, manage the money, even whether to get married at all."

Men's immature indecisiveness and unwillingness to commit have left women making the decisions and issuing a lot of ultimatums.

If you don't want to date exclusively, we're done.

If you don't move in, I'm going to move to a new city and we will break up.

If you don't want to come over, I'm going to go hook up with someone else.

And therein lies the reason I'm sticking women in the hot seat. Why are we settling for ultimatums? Why do we accept having to force them to be with us? Adolescent men with continue to be adolescent men until something or someone forces them to grow up. For some reason this immature behavior is not only persisting, it's getting worse and women are getting more and more frustrated. We just have to stop. Stop putting up with the uncommitted hooking up. Stop with the ultimatums. Stop indulging the immaturity.

Ha. Easier said than done.

In one of the aforementioned emails I received this morning, in which a handful of professional young women were commiserating about the unfortunate state of guys, a girlfriend asked, "So does this mean we become lesbians, find new boys, or pretend that we don't care about finding new boys even though we do?"

"I don't know what we should do," I said, "I guess just be happy with what we can control (our jobs, social lives... pretty much everything but men) and then hope somewhere along the way a nice guy wakes up and realizes that it's time to man up, too."

No matter how much we're succeeding in pretty much every other walk of life, women are failing miserably at beating back that pesky thing called Mother Nature. So, guys, you might not have a clue what you want these days, but hopefully now you have a faint idea of what women want. If you can't man up and commit, at least stop leading us on with those meaningless "I like yous," romantic dinners, and confusing post-breakup texts.

 

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Lately, we've all been hearing a lot about the rise of women and the fall of boys. Statistics and personal testimonies have come to prove that while women are charging full speed ahead into that corn...
Lately, we've all been hearing a lot about the rise of women and the fall of boys. Statistics and personal testimonies have come to prove that while women are charging full speed ahead into that corn...
 
 
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06:11 PM on 10/26/2011
Rachel, great article.

An apparently common theory appears to be that women appear to generally be raised with more relationship-related experience. This appears to include free expression of relationship-critical emotions, discussion of relationship-related issues, and exercise of relationship-level communication. Men, on the other hand, appear to generally be raised for protective, rather than nurturing duties. Therefore, women appear to generally be reasonably expected to develop, at an apparently much earlier age then men, highly-detailed relationship-related perspectives including specific ideas about personal relationship-related preferences and needs.

While the women were inside addressing relationships, the men were outside, chopping trees (Absent trees, perhaps high score at “Call of Duty” (tm)). Perhaps any man can tell you that that tree chopping (as well as video-game explosives, helicopters and warplanes) are not the right context for sharing relationship-relevant insight. Perhaps, with tree-chopping recently learned (and/or high score emblazoned as computer wallpaper or screensaver, men are, much later, freshly turning their attention to trying to piece together fragments of stories on the battle of the sexes, on women’s needs, and about what their own needs should be.

Perhaps, knowing the real-life preoccupations that tie up men’s attentions before they get around to relationships can help women feel less confused, frustrated and, ultimately, disappointed when men seem somewhat less than ready to make “an honest woman” of a girl. Perhaps you might want to think, “He’s been busy, he’s been busy, he’s been busy…”
01:23 PM on 10/18/2011
I will this part as well - the women won't like it but I'm gonna say it anyway because alot of the males might not admit it.

Most males are attracted to women who need us. It's the Tarzan dna in us that drives our hormones. We may be attracted to the business owner driving the Maz but our protection instinct doesn't trigger. We know you don't need us. We'd have equal footing with your autonomy. That's not a hormone trigger for us.

The secretary, the waitress, the struggling student, the single mom teacher who can barely pay bills, the overtly feminine woman who cant seem to get it right......see the pattern ? They need us. Tarzan, John Wayne and our Captain America genome awakens. We find these women very desirable because we get to be who we are, men.

We don't bring much to the table anymore that can compete and we know that, but we're still happy prisoners of our austrolepithicus dna.

We want to be your hero. We know if we're not. It's not something you can fake. It either is or it isn't there.

Stop dating boys with toys and you wont have to look for a man, he'll find you.

Food for thought.
01:10 PM on 10/18/2011
Well my first observation is that you must have slept with him earlier than later. You skipped the whole courtship process and went straight to erotic sex.

The courtship process is an age old time tested process for vetting each other. You never really know somone until sh*&^ hits the fan and then watch how they react to the problem. Or how you both interact to a mutual problem. Up until then you're on a quasi fake honeymoon for a marriage that never happened.

If you have layed out the expectation of a courtship its very possible your ex would have bolted for easy naked sex girl down the street. You kinda had that instinct but you wanted him anyway so you played a trump card only you won the hand not the pot.

Love has nothing to do with money, occupation, employment, fashion, ultimatums or selection. You fall in love by forces out of your control. If men and women would stop "selecting" each other and just follow their heart chances are they would be very committed and content.
04:34 PM on 10/17/2011
Divorce laws and family court are a disaster for successful men and all the statistics show it. So why would any man commit ? Add to that the law of supply and demand and successful men have it made today. What about the not so successful men ? Why dont you ask their fathers what happened ?.....although more than likely they were raised without one.
06:40 PM on 10/15/2011
Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Perhaps women students work harder (such good girls!) and don't expect to get good grades just because they are male (saw that in business school).

Perhaps women's real wages grew because they were so low to begin with.

Perhaps the, um, recession has something to do with 20% of men not working (although I am curious to know where that figure comes from). What is the rate for women? Perhaps men have a higher unemployment rate because the good, family-supporting, professional jobs finally started to be outsourced, and what has replaced them are temporary, customer service, part-time jobs.

And how do all of these statistics "prove" that "a significant block of the feminist movement" was dedicated to the "utter failure of men". That is giving women, and the "feminist movement", a lot more power than they ever had.

Why am I not surprised that this poster is a "publicist"?

Let's get some context here before we start blaming women for something else.
06:06 PM on 10/15/2011
First, you cite CNN stats that show great upheavel and uncertainty in the fundamentals of mens' lives, then when that upheavel and uncertainty enters in the personal realm you call them immature. And isn't it women who are always saying the men without jobs or careers or income or assets are not relationship material anyway? Why do you care if this type of man commits or not; you should not be dating him in the first place according to Dating 101. Oh, BTW, you don't have 3 jobs, you have one. The first two are more like hobbies.
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12:02 PM on 10/15/2011
The point is, a lot of men don't want to commit because they don't want to get tied down. That's not immaturity - for most men, that's freedom! They know that in marriage, they have to surrender lots of freedom (it's true - I'm married) as women make most of the decisions in that institution. Women are always searching for security - they ultimately want someone to take care of them - so they pressure men to get married. Men are secure with themselves and happy to be free. Isn't it the women who are actually being immature because they can't live unattached and when they are attached, they start dictating how things should be - hence the divorce rate. You can't change men, women, nor should you try - it always ends badly. Accept men as they are. Otherwise, prepare to be forever disappointed.
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12:48 AM on 10/16/2011
Fanned. I always think it's funny when people (men or women) think they can change their partner. They might succeed for a while, but ultimately there is a price and it will backfire. You should be with someone because of who they are, not who you want them to be. I think lots of women fall into the trap of trying to make men what they want them to be. The guy then starts to have mixed feelings and seems indecisive to the woman. Ultimatums never help. Unless you want to end something in which case they work great. Some people fail to realize this to their detriment.
11:20 AM on 10/15/2011
Wow. Two whole months before an ultimatum was given? If a guy were to pledge his undying love to me and ask that I move in after just two months of dating, I'd likely run for the hills. It takes a fair bit of time to get to know a person once the initial walls drop, and even longer to decide whether you want to be with that person long-term.

Are there a lot of indecisive, immature men out there who don't want to commit? Certainly... and I will wager that there are just as many women who fall into the same category. Though I have a wonderful husband, secure family life and domestic calm, many women my own age are still living the party lifestyle of their late teens.

The indecisiveness and hesitation you've encountered may stem from the fear of being saddled with a person who has unrealistic demands and lack of understanding. Perhaps if you want guys to "man up" and be commitment-focused and driven, you should "woman up" and work on some patience and empathy.

Also? Don't ever presume to speak for me and what I may or may not want.
We may both be female, but from what I've gleaned about you from what you've written here, I'd sooner tear my ovaries out with a whisk than draw any other parallel between us.
03:45 PM on 10/15/2011
Totally agree. A lot of confused immaturity here.
07:55 AM on 10/15/2011
Or ... maybe you were pushing way too hard, and expecting too much. 2 months is nothing. I would never tell someone I love them after such a short period. Real love takes time.
I would say you were the immature one here.
07:33 AM on 10/15/2011
So basically if a man doesn't declare his undying love to you after just two months of dating, he's indecisive and immature?

Wonderful.
06:15 AM on 10/15/2011
I can see the authors point of view on how men are immature and unwilling to settle and make up their minds when it comes to love and commitment. I myself am a male and my view towards dating is often immature and my motivations are driven by a desire for those uncommited hook ups. But why is that wrong? Why should I feel ashamed of that and more to the point why should I man up to commitment. Relationships are great but their is a loss of autonomy I find in every relationship. Im not ready to give up my freedom to do whatever I want because once you commit your life choices become more and more limited. I wanna live my life now and start a family later.
Also, there is some kind of myth that is indirectly perpetuated here, that all men want hook ups with no strings attached and women always want commitment. Not true. Both women and men are equally capable of uncommited promiscuous behaviour. On top of that, when I compare my male and female friends number of ex-significant others I find women come out ahead of the men. What does this say about commitment if women are in and out of relationships more than men, its quite narrow to think men are the cause of this and women are the innocent victims in every relationship.
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Wisdom is having more questions than answers.
11:53 PM on 10/14/2011
You are very shallow. This reads like the jejune dating blog of an over-privileged status-conscious white girl. Try looking for love instead of a man with an "impressive resume." It's more enduring than the type of corporate-class arranged marriage you seem to be seeking. When your objective is an inorganic farce, perhaps instead of blaming critical thinkers and feminists, you could be begin to question why you're chasing the romantic comedy variant of the failed American Dream.
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10:06 PM on 10/14/2011
All the middle aged single women that I know only ever got involved with men once they said the word "forever". Women don't want to be trapped in a lifetime of monogamy any more than men do. But for some reason they have to hear that word "forever". Probably because it's unnatural for a man to say it so when he does the woman knows that her domination is true and complete. Did you know that the majority of relationships end when the woman decides to end it?
08:57 PM on 10/14/2011
Neither all men or all women are the sane maybe you have not found the right person.
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05:42 PM on 10/14/2011
Immaturity is a huge issue but not just for men. A mature women would understand that men are hard wired differently then women. Women are hard wired to couple up for the security of their off spring, men to spread their seed around. If a man is indifferent to coupling up he's following a deeply entrenched program. Demeaning men as immature when they aren't ready to couple up is immature, striving to accept gender differences is mature.