Jan 9, 2013 at 17:34:16
“I'd say, in a world where basic needs are taken care of through automation, this will free up tremendous creative pursuit - people doing things they want and love to do - think of how much creativity and well-being would be unleashed. In the absence of 'work' and the need for 'money' to survive, people would be freed to do things they love; science, sport, art, craftsmanship, writing, volunteering, innovation, invention - people who are inclined toward these things would do them, because they can.
We seriously need to get serious about redesigning the way we organize our world and how we allocate resources for an automated society. Past notions of 'work' and 'earning' and 'deserving' need to be cast aside in favor of building a healthy society. The technology to do so is now here. Will we be mature enough to cast aside our outdated notions, and the systems they entail?”
slohand4 on Jan 10, 2013 at 00:32:49
“As I mentioned in a another comment, this whole automation problem of machines replacing people has been coming on for a long time.
And yes, in a perfect world, people should end up with more leisure time and creative time. But, with very few exceptions, this isn't happening.
I have never, ever, seen any expert discuss this, but one reason northern european countries began to adopt a more socialist pattern of government with lots of paid days off, short work weeks etc. is because a way back in the 50's they could see this problem coming. Basically thru taxation and other means they sought to create ways to distribute the wealth (and work) created in their countries more evenly. And, to a large extent, they have been successful.
Yes you are right that we need a new model. But we have some examples. It is not easy to create the right balance of free enterprise, innovation, and at the same time create good social outcomes. For the last thirty years of so the world has been buried in the glories of the free enterprise, 'every man for himself' approach to everything. Tremendously successful for the few... a disaster for the many.
This is not going to end well. The appalling level of ignorance, especially in the US of A. means anything that even smells of 'socialism' or 'guberment' is a source of ridicule.”
“That's a strong point. I think it's probably less important to understand the exact workings of the brain and consciousness, but rather to think of it in terms of 'what kinds of problems does the brain solve?' or 'what sorts of tasks tend to require this thing called "intelligence"?' There are probably many solutions to 'intelligence' that don't mimic the brain's particular workings - or, to be more accurate, the brain's many *modules*, for it appears more and more clear that the brain is really a place where many, many modules are all at work at the same time. Jason Docheff”
“I think there's too much emphasis on the 'surpassing human intelligence' version of Singularity-related conversation. I more see the 'Singularity' as a period, perhaps coming soon, of rapid, explosive advances across a wide spectrum of different technologies and disciplines - bioinformatics, medicine, artificial intelligence, nanotech, robotics, etc.- that might quickly and utterly change the way we live, the way we allocate resources, etc. I think that's the conversation we should be more focused on. Especially as our post-capitalist-era economic models prove themselves to be outdated, permanent unemployment grows due to automation of nearly *everything*, etc. Fascinating yet a bit scary. Jason Docheff”
BannedInBoston on Dec 22, 2012 at 00:09:06
“Personally, I think all we're going to get out of all this is just _sexier iPhones....”
niumarmion on Dec 20, 2012 at 19:07:55
“It is an evolutionary process involving trial and error. The new development is that it is proceeding near the speed of the flow of electrons.”
“Technological unemployment on a grand scale is on its way, folks. We need to start thinking seriously about how we are going to change the way we allocate resources in society, for a society where there are no jobs. Martin Ford, Marshall Brain, and other thinkers have put some good thought into these problems we inevitably face. Jason Docheff”
“Wonderful article, very readable and relatable explanations. I have been practicing a Stoicism-infused philosophy toward living for several years now, to very satisfying results. The many letters written by Seneca are a great place to start - I heartily recommend them.”
TheJD on Sep 30, 2012 at 12:22:44
“Yes, Jason, you are right that Seneca's epistles are good reading to get into stoic thought and application...”