“Corporate nonsense, as you put it, backed by law is regulation. You don't have to care one whit what a particular corporation thinks in regards to you providing your own service. Unless government law dictates that the corporate nonsense is an obstacle in your way.
Which it does.
What other business model can you point to that allows a price to be given only after service has been provided? What other business is capable of charging grossly different amounts depending upon method of payment?”
“If you think stopping the president from performing the tasks outlined in the Constitution then I guess I will agree to disagree. I guess you think Congress should rule the nation and forget the executive and judicial branches or did you know there were three branches of government.”
“Try to understand how important it is to protect the voice of the minority. Whether you're in the minority or not. Our system of government is designed to make sure that the minority has a say. Otherwise, it's two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
The dangerous possibilities of ignoring minority voices is too much. People should be afraid, in my opinion.”
Dave60 on Dec 4, 2013 at 21:21:14
“I know how important it was so the GOP should not have abused it. Not allowing the executive branch to perform their Constitutional oblication is important . They keep playing their games and are being schooled.”
“The "old" system of healthcare is too expensive, I agree. However, when you examine why it's so expensive you start to realize it has way more to do with regulation than most folks would actually think going into it.
For instance, to setup shop with a new MRI machine it first has to be determined that a new MRI service is needed in the area you're in. Who makes that decision? The current MRI service providers. Conflict of interest? Absolutely.
The deeper you're willing the look into this stuff, the more likely you are to alter your position.”
DelKat on Dec 5, 2013 at 06:41:48
“Jo, the example you give is of a private provider giving market information. How is that regulation? Sounds like corporate nonsense to me.”
“You think the government's doing a good job with social security? Seriously? The whole system isn't sustainable.
The idea that taxpayers are going to save money in the long run under the ACA is goofy.”
paverguy1 on Dec 4, 2013 at 23:16:28
“Let me spell it out as you are a bit slow, I was not saying that the fund is or is not sustainable, My point was what it costs to administrate the fund. Sorry you were unable to comprehend that. They ( the government) administrate the fund for apporximately an eighth of what the big financial houses say they would charge for administration. Seems a bit excessive to me. They must not know as much as the government, when it comes to financial administration. But I guess we all learned that the hard way in 2008. Your prognostication that the ACA will not save money may or may not be true, but neither you or I know that at this point. I am willing to wait and see. It may work, it is the conservatives plan in it's basic principles. Hopefully, they were right. One thing is for sure, something needed to be done, we have one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world. Hopefully this is a step in the right direction.”
“Short answer: insurance is good at analyzing risk based on the cost of healthcare. This has nothing to do with actually lowering the cost of healthcare, which is where the actual problem is. The cost is arguably so high *because* of the regulations already attached to the healthcare industry.
For example, to setup shop as a new MRI provider, first it must be determined that a new MRI is needed in a particular area. Who makes that decision? Why the current MRI providers, of course.
Basically, a free market approach hasn't even been given a chance to work.
The basic idea is to allow competition in healthcare to actually lower prices, as opposed to forcing everyone into insurance. Sadly, the ACA is pretty big mess.”
baby huey on Dec 4, 2013 at 20:10:34
“Basically, a free market approach hasn't even been given a chance to work.
Boy what are you smoking what do you think we've had all these years the free market and the free market says some people can have ins and some can't”
“I'm not required to drive a car. I do have to be alive. So I only pay car insurance if I choose to drive a car.
If you still sincerely believe that you're saving money despite added government bureaucracy then I don't know what to tell you.”
paverguy1 on Dec 4, 2013 at 14:16:37
“the government takes .075% to administrate the social security fund. If privatized, most estimates are that private administrators will charge .60% to .65% to administrate the fund. That's 8 times as much, yet I keep hearing that the government can't do anything efficiently.And your analogy does not work. The comparison that you can choose to drive, is not apples to apples. IF YOU DRIVE, you must have insurance to protect not only you, but to prevent you from raising the cost of others who would have to pay your bill when you can't pay yourself. Health insurance should be the same. You pay your own way, as a responsible adult, so others don't have to shoulder your burden.”
Listen, insurance is about assessing risk, specifically assessing risk in regards to the price of healthcare. It's not about actually lowering the price of healthcare. Lowering the price of healthcare would be a heck of lot easier without countless government regulations standing in the way. A free market approach has never been given an opportunity to work.
Arguing for personal liberty, suggesting there should be mandates forcing folks to do what a particular party of ideological beliefs wants them to do is in no way saying that folks should be denied healthcare. That's a decision for healthcare providers to make.
Healthcare should be given for a price. Otherwise, doctors are nothing more than slaves. And, I think we can agree, slavery is bad.”
pavedwithgoodintentions on Dec 4, 2013 at 14:23:01
DelKat on Dec 4, 2013 at 14:07:29
“Jo, I am less concerned about the "slave" doctors who CHOSE to go into that field than I am about patients that require services but can't get them. We are the only Industrialized Nation to fail at this. Saying Free Markets have not been tried is ridiculous. We have too many markets.
Our system pits the for-profit insurance market against the for-profit health care industry. Guess who loses - the patient. Personally, I dislike preserving the for-profit health insurance market, but if you think the individual mandate is tough to swallow, my ideas would give you a heart attack (for which, at least now, you are assured of medical help).
Our old system was too expensive for everyone. The one is not perfect (on that we agree), but at least now we are taking health care for everyone much more seriously.”
“You're not making sense, at least to me. There's no mandate forcing folks to have children. There's no mandate forcing folks to buy a house. Providing an incentive is not the same as levying a tax. Clearly.”
“Huh? How does no individual mandate equal denying a person healthcare?”
DelKat on Dec 4, 2013 at 13:48:30
“That is how insurance works, Jo. It is not profitable to insure someone with a pre-existing condition unless they are part of a pool of with higher average health ratios. Hence, people with pre-existing conditions (ie: people who need health care) were priced out of the market and could not get the care they need. It is basic Insurance 101.”
“...the good news. lol. No back-end, no idea what subsidy payment to give insurance companies, law changed willy-nilly without congress, no chance of getting the young and healthy to participate at 40%.”
Don Atkins on Dec 4, 2013 at 14:03:17
“You naysayers never get tired of hating our President! Why won't the GOPers consider joining the human race?”
“Curiously, does being a bully feel good? Is it fun to force others to do what you say?
Myself, I believe in personal liberty. So it's hard for me to understand the thrill you get up your leg when talking about individual mandates.”
pavedwithgoodintentions on Dec 4, 2013 at 14:03:37
“Aren't you special...”
baby huey on Dec 4, 2013 at 13:49:38
“Jo do you pay insurance on your car, do you pay it on your house. You bet your backside you do. Now ask the question why aren't you screaming and yelling they are forcing you to pay that.
Fact is we can live and be happy without a car we can live and be happy with out a big fancy house but how good is life, how full and happy are those who are sick and can't pay their bills not so good.
I ask you what is your bigger and bette plan to get those without health insurance”
paverguy1 on Dec 4, 2013 at 13:45:47
“And I believe in personal responsibility, like not leaving your unpaid medical bills to others who are responsible enough to have an insurance policy. Now that IS a conservative principle. Do you drive a car, do you have insurance? Or does that go against your libertarian principles?”
stallrocket on Dec 4, 2013 at 13:45:30
“It's understandable that you feel oppressed by the requirement that you carry health insurance so the rest of us don't have to float your medical debt when you get hit by a bus. But look at it this way, I want the personal liberty to avoid your irresponsibility.”
kathy10111011 on Dec 4, 2013 at 13:45:23
“I get a thrill in my heart knowing my son has insurance-and inexpensive..
Only a man gets a thrill up their leg (EWWW)
The bullies are the baggers in the house who tried to REPEAL IT 42 TIMES AND FAILED...and spent 100 million doing it..
OBAMA WAS ELECTED ON THE ACA....AMERICANS WANT IT..
Go cry on World net Daily...PAT BOONE IS WAITING,,..”
Irmanator on Dec 4, 2013 at 13:43:30
“The same way people are bullied into having children so they can deduct them from their taxes. Or bullied into buying a house so they can deduct the mortgage interest from their taxes. You don't want healthcare insurance? Pay the fine/tax/penalty.”
marybanilow on Dec 4, 2013 at 13:42:21
“Did the idea of people being turned down for having pre-existing conditions give you a bigger thrill? Or was the idea of insurance companies arbitrarily turning down coverage for a procedure your idea of liberty? Did life time caps set you sailing along the red, white, and blue waves of freedom?”
DelKat on Dec 4, 2013 at 13:41:55
“Curiously, I find denying a person health care who needs it a bit harder to understand.”
R Edward Pearson on Dec 4, 2013 at 13:40:39
“All you have is limited personal liberty. Has been that way since 1789.”
“Haha. Okay. In other words, reality, inside that bubble you refuse to step outside of. One day, someone you don't agree with will be president. You'll be screaming about the constitution and about limiting the power of the office to what it should be.
And rather than mocking you, I'll be beside you, supporting your cause.”
diveguy99 on Dec 4, 2013 at 13:48:28
“i've lived through many, many presidents I don't agree with. including this one. but the claim that Obama is somehow ignoring the constitution and doing whatever he wants to is just false. if you're going to be upset at the president, at least pick a real issue.”