“Government spying is like dynamite. It can be very useful but it's use is tightly controlled. The pubic interest is justified in invading individual privacy only in very specific circumstances. How do I know? The Bill of Rights told me so.”
“They couldn't build pathetic sweatshops and spewing toxic cesspools in the US because of too many pesky regulations. So they moved US manufacturing to China.”
icanhazemail on Dec 7, 2013 at 14:21:13
“Well yes, and for the lovely ability to not have any kind of insurance for the workers (even basic liability for injuries) and to be able to pay them 99 cents an hour.
Some industries are not polluting, but how can we compete with the wages?
I need manufacturing here for my business. What we make is not a dirty industry product, but it's very hard to find places. Next time I'm at an upscale party, I'm going to have too much champagne and circle the room trying to get people to go in on a small industrial factory with me.
It's just time.”
“"They WANT cheap labor, not a renewable consumer base right here in the USA."
They want both, but they all want to be the ones using cheap, outsourced labor while hoping that somebody else is paying the wages for their consumer base. Meanwhile the economy disintegrates.”
Tavon on Dec 7, 2013 at 10:34:49
“I agree. Yet, China, Mexico and other nations are rasing the wages of THEIR employees, the reason is so they can have their own people buying their product an services. As their wages increase, it is less viable for the US business to "outsource.
Our own employees need to see that and learn that increasing the consumer with exports, that having our own employees as the consumer needs to be the priority.
Our business people can't outsource building our infrastructure. As we fund the oil industry that has been profitable and should stop, the money should go to renewable engergy...even with some failures. What new project does not have mis-steps? We need to keep on the cutting edge, instead of allowing other nations (China, India) get the first foot in the door.
There are types of businesses that need developing instead of the type that is going extinct....jobs do go extinct, and the old traditional jobs are replaced with the new. (horse buggies are no longer a big business)
With the numbers of middle incomes that need to evolve from one type of work to another....what is that higher paid work to be? Science... research and developement, etc. ??
Fast Food restaraunts and greeters at discount stores is not really what citizens should have to settle for. That said, if that is what Big Business leaves to US citizens, then pay them well, so they do NOT need government aid. If corporations get government aid...why not them?”
“I ran my own business for years with little contact with the government except for a license and taxes. But it does seem to me that regulatory "relief" of the sort the created "too big to fail" has been lavished on very large businesses, whereas regulation of very small businesses has, if anything, increased. However, the most egregious examples (such as banning lemonade stands) seem to be coming from specific local governments or homeowner associations.”
“Indeed I took your sarcastic point. I just could think of a way to make mine with further sarcasm. The notion that "money is speech" is even more absurd since, if the WalMart heirs have assets equal to the bottom 30% of the US population combined, some people have a whole lot more freedom of speech than others. Moreover, note that much political spending in applied by persons who are not even eligible to vote for the person or issue they are attempting to elect, pass, or defeat. Often outside money (generally coming from a few powerful interests) well exceeds that which is raised within the affected constituency. How is this not anti-democratic?”
Razer on Dec 6, 2013 at 21:58:24
“I missed the sarcasm, it can be so hard to tell with text. I absolutely agree on every point. I think the fact that 1% of our nation has the speaking power of 80% of our nation is pathetic. How our government and our courts could so obviously and publically acknowledge that money owns our government and judicial system without a widespread public backlash,.. with parts of our public actually supporting it,.. I will never fathom nor am I sure that I want to know. ”
“"What are the good jobs we can look forward to with robots making them unnecessary..."
This is a big and developing problem. We need a national conversation and a national strategy to address us. Meanwhile we should not allow corporatocracy to use the schools to make robots out of us.
"We the people....should be for we the people, not a political party."
Divide and conquer is an ancient and effective strategy for control. Not that we should not encourage differing opinions. We need to examine all perspectives that are offered in good faith. But even as disagreements arise between members of a family between whom the bond is inseparable, ones focus should further America and all Americans ahead of partisan victories.”
Tavon on Dec 6, 2013 at 16:38:22
“Wouldn't it be a good discussion to determine how to be a 'majority' rule, without the first priority to be 'party rule'. It is a game, and if the people think it's about them, they need to take a look at the % of dissapearing good middle income jobs over the last 50 years...all the while big business and profis soar...along with the wealth of a few.
Good paying jobs are not what the Plutarchs want. They WANT cheap labor, not a renewable consumer base right here in the USA. Competition can make a better product and a better price....but it is not sustainable without consumers. Well paid employees make consumers.
Men, women, who are supporting a families are working in fast food restaraunts. That was once a viable job for a student and first job experience.
One side says they don't deserve better pay; the other says give them living wages.
Shouldn't the REAL goal to decide what are the good businesses that offer good jobs at good pay? We need to build back the middle income base, not continue to see the middle class slip more and more into poverty wages.
“Agreed. Not more government or less government, and certainly not privatized government (aka corpratocracy). Smart, responsive, and effective government; and that means informed and engaged citizens and candidates who are loyal to this cause.”
“Agreed, and one of the parties is especially duplicitous to us and servile to the powerful. But even their opposition is infected and tends to go along to get along when they are not themselves on the take. I doubt that Sen. Warren is expecting any big dollar contributions from Wall St. or has a cushy financial sector lobbying job promised to her when she retires for public life.”
Tavon on Dec 6, 2013 at 14:12:07
“It is, and should be dificult to belong to a poltical party, when what you point out can be seen as true. We need to keep to the individual that cares about the nation first. (in my opinion)
We the people....should be for we the people, not a poltical party. There is power in numbers. there is often more power in money.
Our measue should be not for THEIR power and jump on the hay wagon when that is their motive. Out nation was not made great by any political party, but by the healthy middle class...and seldom do our politicians remain in the middle class.
What are the good jobs we can look forward to with robots making them unecessary and Fast Food places and discount stores are the only one's a lot of people can get?”
“Ah, but people are made of flesh and blood and corporations are made on paper. Corporations limit investors financial responsibilities to the possible loss of the funds they have invested, but somehow would-be Dr. Frankensteins in all three branches of government have transformed them into servants of the powerful that wield the legal rights of citizens without the burden of conscience or very much in the way of legal accountability (too big to fail, too big to prosecute). So not people but zombies.”
Razer on Dec 6, 2013 at 19:22:34
“Lol, I agree and my point was one of irony and sarcasm. It was only when corporations were finally defined as "people" that the government finally could make the claim that they were serving the 'people' of the united states.
The belief that corporations are "people" and that money is "speech" is not only counter to the God many in the right claim to believe in, but also counter to any real conceptualization of life. It's also a blatant and obvious ploy to allow the rich and powerful to be able to speak with unlimited authority.”
“Warren added. “The Education Department needs to be on the side of students. Their job is to be a watchdog, not a lapdog.”
As is the job of the whole dang government, as well as We the People. The government is a creation of the public that is there to serve the public: OF the People, BY the people, FOR the People. It is charged with promoting the public interest (including commerce),resolving certain sorts of disputes equitably, repelling and arresting foreign and domestic predators, and encouragement and respect individual choices that do not erode or threaten the public good. It is supposed to be one man or woman, one vote, not one dollar, one vote. The latter is classic corruption.
Ms. Warren is a genuine public servant and her contrast to most of her colleagues highlights how pervasively corrupt our government has become. We need many more representatives of her kind.”
catlady1954 on Dec 6, 2013 at 13:19:09
“Couldn't agree with you more. Very eloquent post. Faved.”
Tavon on Dec 6, 2013 at 13:19:03
“And, then, we too, need to become a part of the solution...not just type away and expect someone else (Ms. Warren, the President) to do it without people backing them up.
Especially in a time when one Party has made vows to destroy...not caring that the people they are supposed to be for.....are hurt.”
“"With unpaid student debt approaching $1.2 trillion amid stagnating wages, a combination of higher debt loads and little-used default-prevention programs is leading to rising defaults and fueling government and financial industry concerns that student debt risks hindering economic growth in the coming years."
That's the deal with so many of our recent "pro-business" government policies. Except they are not at all pro-business or pro-America; they are giveaways to a few very powerful powerful interests that destabilize the economy and sabotage America's future. Think about it.”
80s music man on Dec 6, 2013 at 13:09:19
“Thank the dems and RINOs (moderates) for having those policies.
A low tax, low regulation environment would be good for everyone, business or individual.”
““The Department of Education needs to be aggressive in watching out for students, not for profit-making loan servicers,” Warren said. “They’re there for our students, not to help loan servicers make a profit.”
Next she will try to claim that the whole US government is there to serve We the People of the United States!”
ta2t2o on Dec 6, 2013 at 13:12:55
“True dat!. I don't think we need more government or less government, we just need more effective government. We need these folks to do the jobs they were hired to do. We need a few more like her. I hope we don't lose her to the cesspool in DC.”
Razer on Dec 6, 2013 at 12:43:33
“But, corporations are people.. so our US govt is doing a very good job.”
“The NYT link "CIA Helped Arrest Him... " is worth a look.
"...a senior C.I.A. officer told him shortly after Mr. Mandela's arrest: ''We have turned Mandela over to the South African Security branch. We gave them every detail, what he would be wearing, the time of day, just where he would be.''
"The account said the American intelligence agency was willing to assist in the apprehension of Mr. Mandela because it was concerned that a successful nationalist movement threatened a friendly South African Government. "”