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Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Aug 18, 2012 at 12:55:04 in Canada Politics

“Orwellian "1984" style doublespeak. I wish we had the Ministry of Truth to clear things up for confused people [rolleyes]. The confusion goes away once you come to the realization that different people have different opinions as to what should be legal and what should be illegal, much like they'll have different opinions on what toppings make the perfect pizza. Given what you wrote, I think you understand the inconsistency. I now suspect that left-wing and right-wing minded people are the result, at least partly, of genetics. Kind of like we have left-handed and right-handed people. Consider that the federal vote in Canada is closely split between (loosely put left-wing) Liberal, NDP, Bloc and (loosely put right-wing) Conservatives. Similarly in the US, there is a close split between Democrats and Republicans. I think we could avoid a lot of conflicts if the left-wingers and right-wingers were freely allowed to live under their preferred government. Then neither could complain about the other steering their country in the wrong direction. The problem is, from what I observed, that both 'left' and 'right' want total control, and so the chaos continues. I'm trying to warm people up to the idea of segregation. It doesn't have to be a bloody war. You get bloody wars when one group forcefully imposes tyranny on another and gives them no choice but to fight.

Would you care to point to some of those 'main stream sites from the right'.”

bohemiangrooves on Jan 18, 2013 at 12:05:52

“oh left and rights are genetically programmed. so when the right solidifies power they can exterminate the left or at least preclude them from taking part in democracy because of their obvious faulty wiring. I know I'm painting an extreme, but extreme actions often are a result of a belief that ideas, or a race's failure to be as prosperous as you is a result of their genetic difference. It's also a belief that was widely debunked over the last hundred years and lies in the dustbin of junk science.”

Aaron Hachie on Jan 15, 2013 at 13:41:49

“Stay ignorant...”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Aug 18, 2012 at 06:46:13 in Canada Politics

“I see you used "irregardless" in a highly intellectual manner. Did you major in English? English is a second language for me, so if you're an English major, feel free to give me instruction on grammar and syntax to correct my disjointedness and incoherence. Thanks.

Don't feel pressured in any way to answer me. Most of the questions I post here to the mostly leftist posters are merely rhetorical, but in a way challenge them to defend their way of thinking. I'm not really demanding any answers from anybody, people can answer at their will.

Why did you ask me to define "White"? Is it not obvious that when I write "White" (as opposed to "white" to indicate a white piece of paper for example) I'm referring to White Europeans or alternatively Caucasians. Would you ask me to define "Black" if I was talking about Africans?

If racial prejudice has defined boundaries, what are they? What if someone had an opinion on another race but later changed it to be different or even opposite of the one he/she held before, would that be racial postjudice? Note that "postjudice" is not defined in dictionaries, however, I think we need that word because we could use a precise antonym to prejudice.

Being in favour of the repeal of S13 makes posters like you and me to be the ones who hold a differing opinion (from the majority of leftists posting here). In your words we're "radical".”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Aug 16, 2012 at 00:37:07 in Canada Politics

“AuntiFascist: "Tomasz Winnicki is also the name of a convicted white supremacist from London, Ontario..." Really??? You don't say. LOL!!! Hey, did you know that Americans have shaken of their racist past and elected the first African-American president?

You came late, but welcome to the party.

The federal court injunction was the result of a corrupt law based on junk 'science' and outright deceit. You should study the history of S13, how it came about. Have you heard of the Maxwell Cohen, Frederick Kaufman report?”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Aug 16, 2012 at 00:26:54 in Canada Politics

“Since you brought up Nelson Mandela, I think it's safe to assume that your opinion of him is similar to those of other leftists here. I suggested this to other leftists who tried to debate me. If you're White you ought to put your money where your mouth is and go live in South Africa for a few years, or move there for good.

"Hard right"? That's a new one for me. You know what links you and Ezra Levant? You're both in favour of multiculturalism and are anti racist. Ezra Levant and his buddy Mark Steyn didn't have much problem with S13 when White Nationalists were being railroaded. They only started to oppose it when they themselves got complaints.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Aug 16, 2012 at 00:08:16 in Canada Politics

“Is murder a form of hatred? Have laws against murder protected people from being murdered?

You don't think radical enough yet to worry about your posts being trashed... but I think you're getting close. I see you're using their terms "hate speech" and "hate group". Tell me something. Do you think only Whites are capable of hatred? If not, do you think Whites are more inclined towards hatred than others?”

Tomasz Winnicki on Aug 18, 2012 at 06:46:13

“I see you used "irregardless" in a highly intellectual manner. Did you major in English? English is a second language for me, so if you're an English major, feel free to give me instruction on grammar and syntax to correct my disjointedness and incoherence. Thanks.

Don't feel pressured in any way to answer me. Most of the questions I post here to the mostly leftist posters are merely rhetorical, but in a way challenge them to defend their way of thinking. I'm not really demanding any answers from anybody, people can answer at their will.

Why did you ask me to define "White"? Is it not obvious that when I write "White" (as opposed to "white" to indicate a white piece of paper for example) I'm referring to White Europeans or alternatively Caucasians. Would you ask me to define "Black" if I was talking about Africans?

If racial prejudice has defined boundaries, what are they? What if someone had an opinion on another race but later changed it to be different or even opposite of the one he/she held before, would that be racial postjudice? Note that "postjudice" is not defined in dictionaries, however, I think we need that word because we could use a precise antonym to prejudice.

Being in favour of the repeal of S13 makes posters like you and me to be the ones who hold a differing opinion (from the majority of leftists posting here). In your words we're "radical".”

Doogs62 on Aug 17, 2012 at 23:48:51

“Wow! That was disjointed and borderline incoherent. I still didn't grasp the intent behind your post. I'll answer the two questions you asked and disregard your ramblings.

Homicides occur irregardless of laws. Laws merely define a legitimacy for prosecution.

Define the term "White". Hatred does not have defined boundaries. Racial prejudice on the other hand does. Any individual is capable of "hate", however you cannot label a specific group as "hateful".

A radical is a person who holds a differing opinion from a group or groups as seen by those groups. It does not necessarily define a person who is outside the mainstream beliefs of society. Nor does it define someone who is deserving of ostracism.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Aug 15, 2012 at 23:54:47 in Canada Politics

“Why don't photographs of the crucifix in urine don't inflame Christians in Europe? Bit rhetorical, but I think people should observe and ponder the behaviour of Christians in Europe who are mostly White and Muslims who are not.

A freedom loving state populated with freedom loving people who freely chose to live there because they share close ethnic background and political ideology certainly wouldn't be depicted by your avatar, AuntiFascist. Actually I think fascism (A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship) is more closely related to the 'left'.”

Guy Souriandt on Jan 15, 2013 at 07:01:58

“You would be wrong. Fascists hate the left. That's an objective definition of fascism. They strongly support capitalism and ethnic homogeneity. They are extreme nationalists and very conservative.”

yogsodoth on Jan 14, 2013 at 23:32:24

“"Stringent socioeconomic controls"? Try completely unregulated capitalism. Fascism is about making the capitalists, the privileged class, the rulers. It's about combining Church, State, and capital to create a nationalist regime.
Nationalism and the eroding of the barrier between Church and State is part of the right-wing philosophy, is it not? As is unregulated capitalism.
The Fascists also dissolved trade unions, an idea which is close to the heart of the right wing, as I understand it. The greatest enemies of Fascism were the Communists, and the Fascists used the fear of Communism to consolidate their power. Much like the right wing.
So maybe you should read some history and philosophy, and try to understand what Fascism really was, rather than just saying it's more closely related to the left - which is utterly false. Authoritarianism and totalitarianism have been implemented on both the left and right sides of the political spectrum, they are neutral with regards to social progress/conservatism.”

bayoe on Oct 15, 2012 at 20:08:45

“Why are you making the distinction of people who are white and from Europe and Muslims who are not, you want to go back a couple hundred years to the crusades and the roman catholic church, how about the spanish inquisition, or the salem witch trials, it doesn't matter what skin color or religion, stupid is stupid.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Aug 12, 2012 at 23:33:17 in Canada Politics

“(To stop the constant indentation which creates very narrow but long posts I replied to my own reply.)

You wrote a lot LVX Occulta, so for now I'll just briefly address your last reply, the one starting with "I refuse to accept". If it was only subjective and maybe even not true that White Europeans created the best cultures, why in reality, objectively speaking, non-Whites are flocking en masse and emigrating to countries based on White European culture? Are Swiss packing up and emigrating to Somalia? Are Finns emigrating en masse to the Philippines? To see what is better or best you necessarily must make a comparison between different things. To compare whole countries you must examine at least two different countries as wholes, not a few or even a few hundred of individuals from them. To compare races of people you necessarily must look at the two distinct races and make comparisons in regards to whatever aspects you want to compare.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Aug 12, 2012 at 22:48:27 in Canada Politics

“We obviously need to live under different governments. I choose greater freedom. It seems to me, that some of you wouldn't mind living in a state with even greater repression than communist China 50 years ago. If I could I would satisfy you and create such a state for you, or better said, let you create that monstrosity for yourselves, as long as you don't interfere in my freedom to create a freedom loving state for myself and other freedom loving people of similar ideology to mine.

How do we know the cartoons were that of Prophet Mohammed? Does anybody even know what Prophet Mohammed looked like? Did anybody ever make a painting or a statue of him? We have fairly good drawings of people like Euclid who lived over 300 years B.C.”

Tomasz Winnicki on Aug 15, 2012 at 23:54:47

“Why don't photographs of the crucifix in urine don't inflame Christians in Europe? Bit rhetorical, but I think people should observe and ponder the behaviour of Christians in Europe who are mostly White and Muslims who are not.

A freedom loving state populated with freedom loving people who freely chose to live there because they share close ethnic background and political ideology certainly wouldn't be depicted by your avatar, AuntiFascist. Actually I think fascism (A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship) is more closely related to the 'left'.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Aug 12, 2012 at 22:23:34 in Canada Politics

“Multiculturalism which promotes race-mixing is a form of promotion of genocide. When an African and a European mix or when an African and an Asian mix, the offspring is no longer African or European or Asian. I have heard from mixed people that they often feel rejected by both groups. Race-mixing destroys true diversity and only leads to greater conflicts.

The supposed violence caused by supposed racists pales in comparison to violence caused by multiculturalism. Examine for yourself for example the daily crime reports compiled by Toronto police.”

yogsodoth on Jan 14, 2013 at 23:59:25

“The right fears multiculturalism because it threatens nationalism. But then, everything is a threat to nationalists, especially rational thought and philosophy.
A melting-pot society where everyone can practice their culture freely (within reasonable legal limits) has significant advantages over a homogenous culture, those being:
1) Significant economic and social ties between local and foreign populations, encouraging trade and discouraging war.
2) Higher genetic diversity, resulting in an increased resistance to genetic damage and disease. Stronger herd immunity from exposure to non-local organisms.
3) Higher cultural diversity resulting in better art and literature.
4) Eased requirements for challenging social norms and strictures, particularly those which are detrimental.

The Toronto violence you characterize as caused by multiculturalism is actually caused by racism and ghettoization. In situations where immigrants are not ghettoized, multiculturalism does not cause violence - therefore the root of the problem is, precisely, racism.”

dredesch on Oct 15, 2012 at 12:06:44

“"Race-mixing"? Are you serious? There is no such thing as a "pure" race anywhere in the world and hasn't been since the first farmers and herders started migrating from their homes of origin, deep in prehistory. I have no doubt you treat "mixed-race" people as badly as you do anyone not part of your favored "racial" group.”

LGC1953 on Sep 16, 2012 at 09:46:23

“Do you believe in the Bible and it's creationist writings?”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Aug 12, 2012 at 22:03:34 in Canada Politics

“Attempting to debate without providing factual evidence makes you a lousy debater. First, maybe you should crack open a dictionary and look up the terms "race", "racism", "racist" and "racialism". Not that I fully agree with the current definitions but it would give you at least some kind of a starting point. Racialism has to do with genetic heritage not some abstract concept. If Conservatives legislated new laws allowing immigration for only Whites from western European countries then you would be justified calling them racist. Allowing more free speech for everybody regardless of race is neither racist nor anti-racist, it's neutral. However, perhaps you didn't know that 'hate crime' laws such as section 13 was almost exclusively used against Whites. Jamaican-Canadian Imam Bilal Philips was not prosecuted even after he openly stated that homosexuals caught in the act should be executed. I strongly suspect he would be if he was White. So I'm likely more correct to state that S13 was racist (against Whites) than you claiming Conservatives being racist, which is ridiculous in my opinion.

Would you attempt to give me some kind of percentages of the racists who you think are not Conservatives and racists who are? Is it about half and half, one to four, what do you think the ratio is and why?

Ezra Levant isn't sad, he's always happy and cheerful when I watch him speak.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Aug 11, 2012 at 02:08:03 in Canada Politics

“Even though we are ideological opponents, at least we could agree on the definition of the terms. (An antelope stotts to signal to its predators to not bother chasing her because she's strong and can run away if chased. If the predator chose to chase anyway they'd just both lose energy. Antelopes and cheetahs are enemies, but they both understand the meaning of their 'language'.) Give me then your own definition of "Leftist" and "Right Wing". Isn't it true though that in recent years about half of Canadians voted Liberal, NDP and the other half voted Conservative in federal elections? Similar situation in the USA. It's closely split between Republicans and Democrats. What shall we call those people, what term should we give to signify their political and other ideologies?

Would you also say that "White Supremacist" and "neo-Nazi" are misleading and generalized terms, beyond having any meaning whatsoever?

I see you have a cross in your avatar. Are you a Christian yourself?”

Tomasz Winnicki on Aug 12, 2012 at 23:33:17

“(To stop the constant indentation which creates very narrow but long posts I replied to my own reply.)

You wrote a lot LVX Occulta, so for now I'll just briefly address your last reply, the one starting with "I refuse to accept". If it was only subjective and maybe even not true that White Europeans created the best cultures, why in reality, objectively speaking, non-Whites are flocking en masse and emigrating to countries based on White European culture? Are Swiss packing up and emigrating to Somalia? Are Finns emigrating en masse to the Philippines? To see what is better or best you necessarily must make a comparison between different things. To compare whole countries you must examine at least two different countries as wholes, not a few or even a few hundred of individuals from them. To compare races of people you necessarily must look at the two distinct races and make comparisons in regards to whatever aspects you want to compare.”

LVX Occulta on Aug 11, 2012 at 13:58:42

“I refuse to accept that any country, race, ect... can see themselves as "THE BEST" because once you think this it is impossible to judge any other culture, nation, religion, etc... The Judge becomes the Advocate. It's called Ethnocentrism. White Supremacy has to do with thinking the white races are, in some way, superior to others. But that's entirely subjective. Superior in what way? The Mediterranian people, with their lovely climate ample water supply, shipping, etc... had much time for philosophy, culture, art, music, etc... People living in the far north where the job of survival was 24 hours a day, 365.24 days a year developed other skills. Is one "better" than the other, or just better at different things? What does supremacy mean? Would I hire a Nobel Prize winning physicist to fix my plumbing? Would I hire a general plumber to fix my cyclotron? We specialize. "Best" is meaningless, and so white supremacists are living a fallacious existence. Hate is only weakness and fear, and those who hate the most are the weakest of them all.”

LVX Occulta on Aug 11, 2012 at 13:58:32

“The more people argue for the right to hate, discriminate against, or claim they have the best God, the more it proves we've refused to grow up and are still arguing about who gets to play in which bit of the sand box.

The Canadian system is broken. The Neo-Conservatives only won because of vote inequality. They won a Majority Government with around 34% of the votes. Some Canadian's vote that is worth more than mine, and others less. This is because of our riding and representation system. At NO POINT do I ever have the right to vote for the Prime Minister. EVER!”

LVX Occulta on Aug 11, 2012 at 13:43:24

“German National Socialism redefined the religion of the country as being officially a neo-Germanic Paganism and outlawed Christianity and other religions. Modern USA is trying to do the same thing by claiming the country is, and should be, Christian. It's dominionist thinking. The expulsion of immigrants, the redefinition of a national identity and the adoption of an official religion seems extremely National Socialist in outlook. When an American says "Freedom of Religion" they tend to mean "Freedom to chose you're flavour of Christianity" and not ACTUALLY freedom of religion at all. More and more it's the freedom to IMPOSE religion for which they argue. National Socialism is rapidly becoming the goal of the so-called "right" in America. Non-Christians do not see a "war on Christianity" but rather a war being waged BY Christianity against them. This isn't even really Christian but Neo-Hebraic Paulism, taking their views not from the Gospels but from random bits of the Epistles and the Tanakh. The only real consolation is that many of them might have heart attacks if they realise the word "Socialism" appears in the definition of their behaviour.”

LVX Occulta on Aug 11, 2012 at 13:36:30

“I think the Left vs Right rhetoric CREATES its own problem. People think in terms of words, and if they have no words they cling to what they do have. Once a person self identifies with a movement they tend to adopt other positions which the movement represents. This becomes habitual thinking and it is then very difficult to think about one's self as NOT being whatever it was they identified with.

In elections it is not uncommon for people to vote the way they always have. They identify as belonging to a party and, regardless of the issues, candidate or whatever, will vote the way they always have. In Canada this is particularly problematic because the "Conservative Party of Canada" is actually NOT the party that people voted for ten years ago. It is a re-branded Reform/Alliance party. By re-branding they get the votes from people who always voted Conservative but who would NEVER have voted Alliance or Reform. It's because they self identify and have no language with which to further define themselves outside of that paradigm.

By the definition of Right vs Left in the French Assembly we see that the Right were the Nobility and the Left were commoners. Since being a Nobel is illegal in the USA, NOBODY can be on the Right. By removing the distinctions between common and noble (which is actually why the "right to bear arms") the US is ALL LEFT because they cannot be nobility.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Aug 10, 2012 at 21:19:24 in Canada Politics

“Regarding your first paragraph. I addressed your questions in my previous posts. Read for example what I wrote regarding a hypothetical country where promotion of multiculturalism would be deemed to be hatred and illegal, punishable by fines and jail.

Regarding your second and third paragraphs. They're based on false premises so I won't even bother addressing them. But I think prehistoric microbes are the true heirs of this land... all earth for that matter, so governments ought to issue a formal apology, cough up trillions of dollars in restitution and give them voting rights [wink].”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Aug 10, 2012 at 20:06:01 in Canada Politics

“You are factually wrong. Can you give me names of even 10 Conservative party members who have publicly made a statement that could be construed as racist/racialist? Anything in the past year or two? Oh yes, and they should have also stuck to their word instead of groveling and apologizing when caught. Can you give me even 5 names or even 1?

The sooner the leftists in Canada who usually vote Liberal or NDP and the more right-wing leaning people who usually vote for Conservatives realize that we can have peaceful segregation and live under separate autonomous states, the better for all of us.

Did Ezra Levant make you sad? I hear Ezra Levant makes a lot of sad people extra super duper sad [wink wink].”

Aaron Hachie on Jan 15, 2013 at 13:44:25

“So you can only be racist if you say so in public?

Logic fail. Ignorance win.”

Tomasz Winnicki on Aug 12, 2012 at 22:03:34

“Attempting to debate without providing factual evidence makes you a lousy debater. First, maybe you should crack open a dictionary and look up the terms "race", "racism", "racist" and "racialism". Not that I fully agree with the current definitions but it would give you at least some kind of a starting point. Racialism has to do with genetic heritage not some abstract concept. If Conservatives legislated new laws allowing immigration for only Whites from western European countries then you would be justified calling them racist. Allowing more free speech for everybody regardless of race is neither racist nor anti-racist, it's neutral. However, perhaps you didn't know that 'hate crime' laws such as section 13 was almost exclusively used against Whites. Jamaican-Canadian Imam Bilal Philips was not prosecuted even after he openly stated that homosexuals caught in the act should be executed. I strongly suspect he would be if he was White. So I'm likely more correct to state that S13 was racist (against Whites) than you claiming Conservatives being racist, which is ridiculous in my opinion.

Would you attempt to give me some kind of percentages of the racists who you think are not Conservatives and racists who are? Is it about half and half, one to four, what do you think the ratio is and why?

Ezra Levant isn't sad, he's always happy and cheerful when I watch him speak.”

TRMS on Aug 10, 2012 at 21:19:47

“I don't have to point out public statements. Everybody knows most Conservatives are racists. It's a well known fact. It's not like they run aroud making racist statements in the media, bu you can judge them by their actions, like if they were to repeal hate speech legislation. Not all racists are Conservatives. But chances are, if you're a racist, you're probably a Conservative. I will name one racist for you though, you. You're clearly a racist, so why would you deny that your political party are racists? Thomas Winnicki is the name of a white "supremist". Ezra Levant is sad.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Aug 10, 2012 at 19:49:04 in Canada Politics

“Sounds like you'd like the life in a White Nationalist state that I and other White Nationalists envision.

Don't confuse the nazis of WWII with today's conservatives or conservatives with today's White Nationalists. Our ideologies differ significantly. Even those who call themselves White Nationalists do not agree on everything.

Don't forget that it is corporations that give employment to majority of the population. It's corporations that produce neat things like the Lamborghini Aventador and Bugatti Veyron.”

Ken Bryan on Jan 14, 2013 at 21:02:44

“Ur Polish you pinhead. You aren't "White". lol. What's awesome is the amount of "Polish" jokes that I hear other Europeans / White ppl tell shows me that even if you ever got your "White Nationalist State", you'd still be bottom of the barrel. How does that make you feel? Loser.”

dredesch on Oct 15, 2012 at 11:56:59

“And how many people can drive those cars? You talk about it as if it was some major contribution to civilization...

As for "white nationalists", a racist rose by any other name...”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Jun 24, 2012 at 22:44:01 in Canada Politics

“My first reply to this was not approved. I wonder why because it really had nothing 'hateful' in it even if judged by your standards. I'll try again a little bit reworded. Maybe the moderator just misinterpreted the meaning I was trying to convey.

You are obviously unaware what some people in Canada have been thrown into jail for, because of S13 or similar S319. I think I see where you're trying to lead. But how about this, you try to explain this to me. Why is it NOT the case that hundreds or thousands of people wake up one day hating the Amish or Mennonite people and for no reason decide to round them up and boot them out? It just hasn't happened and very likely never will. Let's see how 'hard' you can think.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Jun 24, 2012 at 21:53:57 in Canada Politics

“This argument about yelling fire in a crowded theater, I suppose when there is no actual fire, always seemed odd to me, even when I was on the left. Are there even, say 10 court cases where someone was actually convicted of that 'illegal' speech? We had laws against theft and murder from time immemorial. Did they stop thefts and murders?

I disagree with your opinion that Germany is more civilized than US. In Germany, even the mere questioning of the Holocaust numbers is illegal and punishable by fines and jail. Is there any other historical event (or any verifiable scientific fact) which was made illegal to question in several countries? Does that sound civilized to you? Does truth need laws which criminalize people who question it? Or is it more likely that deceit/lies would need such laws?

WWII was a massive conflict. There were more than two sides and more than one or two reasons why it erupted.

I left the 'left' because I learned that it lied to me. I'm more or less middle class income type. I have a fair bit of contempt for aristocracy such as the British royals. They rake in millions of dollars from others' hard work and themselves hardly lift a finger. That's why I want to reform the monetary system so neither they nor corrupt feds can steal from the working class.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Jun 24, 2012 at 21:19:55 in Canada Politics

“The format of this commenting forum is not well suited for continuous discussion because it keeps indenting. I've seen some replies that have been trimmed down to one character per line, making them next to unreadable. So I'm replying to my own post to prevent further indentation.

I've heard the argument "your rights end when they start interfering with mine", from both the 'left' and the 'right'. And here too, we come back to power. Those with more power will decide what rights they have and they might not care at all if they interfere or even totally violate whatever rights the weaker party thinks they ought to have. There is at least one leftist commenting here who is of the opinion that people should be thrown in jail for publishing crime statistics as they pertain to crimes committed by non White minorities. Juxtapose that with the fact that in Iran it is 'legal' to execute homosexuals who were caught having gay sex. I don't know what the exact numbers are but I would surmise that vast majority of Muslims don't object to executing homosexuals. We're back to the subjectivity of what is considered hateful, just and unjust. To them it's acceptable, to us Westerners, such punishment would be considered barbaric.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Jun 24, 2012 at 19:00:52 in Canada Politics

“You are obviously unaware what some people in Canada have been thrown into jail for no thanks to S13 and S319. I think I see where you're trying to lead. But how about this, you try to explain this to me. Why don't hundreds or thousands or even millions of people just wake up one day hating the Amish people and decide to round them up and boot them out? Let's see how 'hard' you can think.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Jun 24, 2012 at 18:53:49 in Canada Politics

“What is hate to an individual is highly subjective and different to each. See what I wrote in regards to statements promoting multiculturalism being considered to be hatred and illegal in a hypothetical country X.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Jun 24, 2012 at 18:44:56 in Canada Politics

“Hmmm... you took 'Canadian Studies' at some prestigious state university, eh? You must be highly educated [roll eyes]. You ought to hook up with Richard Warman for a beer and a chat. This London Free Press article http://www.lfpress.com/news/canada/2011/01/22/16990431.html states that in the 2008-09 fiscal year, aboriginal convicts made up 71% of all admissions to provincial institutions. This CTV article http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/QPeriod/20091113/aboriginal_prisoners_091309/ states that Aboriginals account for 17.3% of inmates but make up only 4% of Canadian adult population. And that's one of the main problems I have with leftists, because they want to criminalize stating truthful facts. If some facts don't reflect too well on a certain group then it's possible that certain people might develop negative opinion (contempt) in regards to that group. Section 13 of the so-called Canadian Human Rights Act actually criminalized publishing even true facts that might 'likely' (or even unlikely because they (CHRC/CHRT) never had to prove any likeliness or unlikeliness of anything) expose some group to hate and/or even just some contempt. In that case they might as well have criminalized every less than stellar opinion of protected group X. Whites of course being the exception there because it was always legal to demonize White people, because only Whites are mentally capable of hatred and racism... [roll eyes].

Leftists fit the definition of bigot much better than I do.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Jun 24, 2012 at 17:57:57 in Canada Politics

“Wow! What else would you like to throw people into jail for? Are you sure you're a White American? Because I'm having doubts. Maybe you just really miss Cuba and Castro.

Yes, I am a racist/racialist. I understand the great importance of White Europeans preserving their genetic heritage and all the various ethnic cultures of Europe. They are the two most precious things in the world that deserve to be preserved.

Can a mother or a father be proud of their child's scholastic accomplishments? Is that a legitimate source of pride for you? What about a brother or sister taking pride in the accomplishments of his/her brother or sister or uncle or aunt or cousins? I consider White Europeans, no matter where they live, to be my extended family. You may not feel that way, but realize that I do. And so, I take pride in my racial group's collective accomplishments.

The word "liberal" comes from "liberty" which is just a synonym for freedom. I wouldn't call you a liberal but a 'liberal', you know, inside the sarcastic single quotes.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Jun 24, 2012 at 17:34:33 in Canada Politics

“You show signs of 'liberal' brainwashing. Have you ever paused for a while and thought to yourself, why am I thinking this way, who put those ideas in my head, how can I be certain they are correct? I'd speculate (I might be wrong) that you would have absolutely no problem with me if I was Black and proclaimed Black pride. Do you have any problems with Black History Month? The reason why you have a negative knee-jerk reaction to my writings is because you've been programmed. Yes, brains can be programmed in a somewhat analogous way to electronic computers. I have been a bit of a leftist in my past, maybe not as an ardent leftist as some of you, but I did feel shame in being White because of all the horrible stuff only Whites supposedly did that 'schools' taught me. Later on, thanks to the internet, when I found the real reasons for certain world events and learned that some of what I've been 'taught' were outright lies, I changed my mindset to that of a White Nationalist, which I'm proud to state today, has made me a better man.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Jun 24, 2012 at 17:03:45 in Canada Politics

“So you think White people who prefer to live among their own kind are 'slimy racists', eh? Will you be packing your bags to make a permanent move to Zimbabwe soon? Show us how anti-racist you are. We'll see if you'll be welcomed there with open arms and plenty of handouts. Did you know that under White rule Zimbabwe used to be known as Rhodesia, which was also called the "bread basket of Africa"? Is Zimbabwe known as the "bread basket of Africa"? Us Europeans, we make things better.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Jun 20, 2012 at 22:22:43 in Canada Politics

“A country where I'd like to live would have absolute free speech, not limited in terms of content in any way. A country like that does not exist. Some right-wing people think I'm too extreme.”
Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Bill C-304: Hate Speech Clause's Repeal Gives White Supremacists Rare Moment Of Glee

Commented Jun 20, 2012 at 22:12:56 in Canada Politics

“Rights are a kind of an artificial, human invented thing. Those with power over us will decide what few rights and many obligations we have and what many rights and few obligations they have. That's how it has been for as long as humans existed. You may say something is unfair but in the end power rules. Note that in this case, right-wing people like me are not trying to take away any lawful rights of others. It is leftists who are complaining that a right we had before (free speech) was restored for us. It is leftists who would want to take it away again. Now some will wail again that 'hate speech' is not 'free speech' according to their leftists mindset, to which I'll say again that what one considers hateful is highly subjective. See what I posted about hypothetical country X where promoting multiculturalism is illegal.”

Tomasz Winnicki on Jun 24, 2012 at 21:53:57

“This argument about yelling fire in a crowded theater, I suppose when there is no actual fire, always seemed odd to me, even when I was on the left. Are there even, say 10 court cases where someone was actually convicted of that 'illegal' speech? We had laws against theft and murder from time immemorial. Did they stop thefts and murders?

I disagree with your opinion that Germany is more civilized than US. In Germany, even the mere questioning of the Holocaust numbers is illegal and punishable by fines and jail. Is there any other historical event (or any verifiable scientific fact) which was made illegal to question in several countries? Does that sound civilized to you? Does truth need laws which criminalize people who question it? Or is it more likely that deceit/lies would need such laws?

WWII was a massive conflict. There were more than two sides and more than one or two reasons why it erupted.

I left the 'left' because I learned that it lied to me. I'm more or less middle class income type. I have a fair bit of contempt for aristocracy such as the British royals. They rake in millions of dollars from others' hard work and themselves hardly lift a finger. That's why I want to reform the monetary system so neither they nor corrupt feds can steal from the working class.”

Tomasz Winnicki on Jun 24, 2012 at 21:19:55

“The format of this commenting forum is not well suited for continuous discussion because it keeps indenting. I've seen some replies that have been trimmed down to one character per line, making them next to unreadable. So I'm replying to my own post to prevent further indentation.

I've heard the argument "your rights end when they start interfering with mine", from both the 'left' and the 'right'. And here too, we come back to power. Those with more power will decide what rights they have and they might not care at all if they interfere or even totally violate whatever rights the weaker party thinks they ought to have. There is at least one leftist commenting here who is of the opinion that people should be thrown in jail for publishing crime statistics as they pertain to crimes committed by non White minorities. Juxtapose that with the fact that in Iran it is 'legal' to execute homosexuals who were caught having gay sex. I don't know what the exact numbers are but I would surmise that vast majority of Muslims don't object to executing homosexuals. We're back to the subjectivity of what is considered hateful, just and unjust. To them it's acceptable, to us Westerners, such punishment would be considered barbaric.”

Taterhead McGobstopper on Jun 21, 2012 at 00:20:55

“On this I will agree with you. Rights are a human invention. Absolutely. But here's the thing about rights. Your rights end where they start interfering with mine. Just like you don't have the right to yell fire in a theater, as a human granted thing, you also (currently) are limited in some of your hate speech in the US. You would be even further limited in your hate speech in a more civilized country like Germany, where they have stiff penalties for it. They learned their lesson in WWII and understand what letting hate run free and unrestrained can cause. If you don't mind me asking, why have you chosen to be "right wing?" Are you wealthy? Are you part of an aristocracy?”
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