In Nebraska and Kansas there are about 2000 CAFO regulated feedlots, all except about three owned by families or employees.
None of them would let Wayne Pacelle on the premises because he once said it would be a good thing to spread Hoof and Mouth disease in this country. He has since worked hard to convince everyone that anymore than two or three animals was excessive. He discovered the confusion of hormones and antibiotics in the public worked to his benefit and HSUS has since made millions.”
april45 on Jul 15, 2013 at 19:57:55
“So you are saying that it is a healthy environment for livestock to live in overcrowded pens walking in their own feces? You think it is healthy to be injected with hormones and be given antibiotics for prophylactic use through your whole life, not to mention the antibiotic resistance it is causing? This does not even touch on the inhumane way the animals are treated. Just because they are to be killed for food does not mean it is alright to treat them this way. Even I know that, and I do not make millions or have anything to gain from it.. ”
“There are problems with this story.
1. Zirnstien was still in college when Smith approved the label status for processed lean boneless beef trimnings. Since he was not on the USDA payroll, she did not approve it over his objections.
2. Carl Custer worked for USDA-FSIS another 15 years before retiring, waited another 5 years while starting a consulting business and in just the past two years this has started to become an issue. Not much of a whistle blower. In his own words on linked in..a ner do well.”
“My wife usually has me cut all the fat out of a round steak befoe she puts it in a stew.
Always, there are little chunks of meat in the fat trimmings. It would be even more with a brisket.
Lower value meats are sometimes converted to hamburger. The centrifuge process allows separation of the fat from the muscles resulting in a leaner food. Take your choice, buy a high fat hamburger and clean up the grease spatters or buy a leaner hamburger with lean beef trimmings for the same price.
Everything, everywhere has the opportunity to become contaminated with bacteria. What is the last time you had a surgery in a sterile operating room and the surgeon did not prescribe an antibiotic.
The ammonia gas is ALL about food safety and 17 years has proven that it is not a problem to the consumer.
Interesting that ABC did not include this in the video. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/statement-from-american-meat-institute-president-j-patrick-boyle/
And who is behind making this a news item now?”
JoeRandom on Mar 16, 2012 at 06:04:32
“Yeaaaaaaah... Never mind that about a third of Americans are obese. Nope, no problem at all.”
“I'm waiting for Dr. Hurd to take you to the shed!
The 80% number relates to weight. The biggest portion is monocin, a drug that promotes beneficial bacterial growth and inhibits or is antibacterial for bacteria that cause cattle to bloat. We feed monocin to cattle in drought conditions to help them digest the drought sticken forage. It is totally not used in humane medicine.
The drugs that are used in both humane medicine and animal medicine all require individual animal treatment, not mass medication.”
wallyone on Aug 7, 2013 at 09:24:26
“I think you mean "monensin" which is sold under the trade name "Rumensin." You are correct in that this compound, and others like it including Bovatec and Deccox and Corid, are in no way related to any antibiotic class used in human medicine.”
hp blogger Katy Keiffer on Aug 6, 2013 at 21:43:10
“He is welcome to do so. I like Dr. Hurd personally and think he is a very conscientious vet. But the studies done by Consumers and other non-partisan/non-profit organizations have run studies showing that using a class, such as tetracycline, (widely used in animal ag) has an impact on how another drug in its class, such as doxycycline, (widely used in human medicine) is going to work. Dr. Hurd also made the excellent point that there really aren't enough large animal vets to go around, so expecting farmers to wait for someone to show up and write a scrip and tell him what to do is a major hurdle to reducing antibiotic use on farm. The fact that there is a 3 year lag before it is phased out of routine food and water is troubling in and of itself. And lets remember they have only recently taken cephalosporins and fluoroquinolones out of circulation in animal medicine. And penicillin class drugs are still widely used in animal medicine. Its hard to keep animals healthy in feedlots. Animal ag has to figure this out, or they will really start to lose market share. Its kinda like the battle for safety features in cars, remember that? When Detroit dallied and delayed, Toyota and Volvo stepped up.”
oldwoman64 on Aug 6, 2013 at 08:14:06
“From the article,
"while it is true that not all of the antibiotics used in food animal production are used in human medicine, a majority of them belong to the same drug "classes." Antibiotics in the same class often work to stop the growth of bacteria by using a similar mechanism of action. Giving one antibiotic to an animal that may not be used in human medicine may lead to the development of bacteria resistant to an antibiotic in the same class that is used in human medicine."”
“It is absolutely true that less than 2% of the population farms, and for many it is a part time job.
It is also absolutely true that 98% of farms are family farms.
Nebraska is the BEEF state with as many cattle on feed as any other state. It also has not had a single new feed lot added since the state supreme court decided that the restriction to family farming only in the state was unconstitutional.
Your arguments need to a better reconciliation with fact.”
Zonatron on Aug 6, 2013 at 08:00:22
“So 98% of 2% is all you are concerned about? Just because they haven't built another CAFO in addition to the thousands they already have makes it hunky dory? Colorado is also beef and a lot of dairy. A company out here uses 4% of the US milk production all by itself. As a result the state may actually up the number of cows allowed per facility just to accommodate them thus excaserbating the problem. I think YOU should not let the perfect get in the way of the good here. At least there are some voices trying to make a difference.”
“For perspective, less than a .01% change in organic matter in all the world's grazed and tilled soils would exceed the total quantity of carbon released into the atmosphere by fossil fuel combustion. Implementation of notill cropping techniques, especially if cover crops are added, and rest-rotation grazing systems as currently be promoted by US university and natural resource service would be adequate to sequester all fossil fuel carbon produced, or at least until a new steady state of organic matter in the soil is achieved.”
“I don't think it was painstaking hybridization. I think it was plain luck.
Have you tried to make flour from wheat. I do at harvest every year. Then I spend a lot of time absolutely amazed that civilization as we know it is based upon bread.”
“We grow dry peas (split pea soup) and pinto beans., some of the best vegetable proteins. To match meat for protein, you have to eat 3 times as much. So a quarter pound hamburger replaces a whole meal of beans. Since a balanced diet requires other fruits and vegetables, Meatless Mondays are really NO DESERT MONDAYS!”
You have been there and done that...the sequestration thing.
However, when Mr. Clinton did it, air traffic and food inspection continued.
Team Clinton proved more capable, considerate and compassionate than team Obama.”
dgrich on Feb 24, 2013 at 13:22:17
“Think that was Reagan.”
mashtoe on Feb 24, 2013 at 11:33:05
“So you consider free trade, NAFTA, normalized trade with communist China, banking deregulation, and work visas to be compassionate? For whom? I guess Wall Street sure but not for US workers.”
“An aging neighbor with a failed organic wheat farm and some llamas followed her daughters suggestion and called HSUS. Their contribution was to call two llama car places not funded by HSUS, (although one is featured on their website) and an AP reported to write a story about how her llamas were neglected and suggested abuse..
A kinder, more responsible story would been about the problems of aging and choosing appropriate dreams....but of course that is completely alien to HSUS's agenda.”
chienblanc4csi on Oct 20, 2012 at 11:32:50
“(cont.) Calling a rescue group turns out to be a big mistake, they find judgement, not compassion. So forget that, they already feel bad - but they still have animals they can't properly care for. HSUS looks so good in their TV ads, so kind and compassionate, so caring and loving. Little do they know HSUS will only call that local kill shelter, and probably law enforcement. Once that kill shelter has possession of the animals, the crucifying begins. The owners were promised discretion, told that they were "doing the right thing", but oh, never mind, now that you have turned over all your animals, we will tell the world how horrible you are, begging for MONEY on your name. All the media are alerted, and their name is splashed all over TV and newspapers. And the shelter kills the animals anyway, because they have no more space. And the local HSUS rep begs the community for MONEY 'to care for all these abused animals' - which are dead, or soon will be. This is a business of crisis marketing, with the animals as the tag line, the hook, the reason for us all to donate. And people still hate Richard Berman. How many people know that Berman's firm helps MORE ANIMALS than HSUS! Because Berman gives actual MONEY to actual real animal causes, like the Humane Society for Shelter Pets, which anyone can visit to find a shelter in their own neighborhood. HSSP asks for NO MONEY, btw.”
chienblanc4csi on Oct 20, 2012 at 11:29:50
“(cont.) But they don't take into account the MIDDLEMAN here, the means to an end. The MONEY. Which is HSUS's part in all this. They actually plan on these animals being killed, because it is part of the process towards their goal. The MONEY. Then, when the animals are gone, HSUS starts in on the owners, very publicly shaming them, blaming them for the deaths of their animals, convincing the public that these people - who tried hard to do the right thing from the start - are the most despicable people on the planet - animal abusers. So, people like your organic farmer, who, for some reason, such as illness, death of a spouse, financial crisis, age or infirmity, or maybe just poor judgment and lack of planning, find themselves in over their heads, are turned into virtual criminals by simply trying to do the right thing. Most of these people really do love their animals. They hear that the local shelter is always "full", and will kill their animals, so they try a rescue group . . . to be continued.”
chienblanc4csi on Oct 20, 2012 at 10:48:17
“This sad story is typical of the HSUS modus operandi. I find it highly offensive that they set people up this way. What they do is lure people into coming to them (said the spider to the fly), lie to them about how much they want the "help", and as soon as the person's animals are seized, HSUS pounces. People don't see it coming, they assume, wrongly, that HSUS is an animal charity, that they actually care about animals. But what they really care about is their public image and MONEY. They exploit animal suffering - not to mention human beings - to raise funds. Not only that, but they manipulate the public by bragging that they actually "help" animals, but in reality, the animals are only the means to the end. MONEY. Once the animals are seized, HSUS dumps them on the local animal shelter, which these people could have done themselves, except they assume that the shelter is always "full" and their animals will be put to death immediately. (They really DO care about their beloved animals, but that isn't what HSUS wants us to understand. ) . . . to be continued.”
“Kathrine Merrigan, current Deputy Secretary of Agriculutre wrote the Organic Standards. The Standford study conclusions are consistent with what she has said for many years. There are no significant health reasons to choose organic.”
BeerLover on Sep 22, 2012 at 12:01:33
“Bwwuuuuaaahahahahah!! A government agency supporting the conclusions of a big money tilted story. Really?”
“From the camera angle, it appears that the inept animal stunner may have been the camera operator.”
Umm - not really on Aug 24, 2012 at 14:55:04
“Hadn't really thought about it, but you're right. Wonder if he had even been trained on how to use it, or whether he had just seen somebody else do it and decided to have a crack at it? Also didn't seem to be another animal "in the queue", did there? Not that anybody would ever "stage" anything like this, nooooo.
Now, before 99% of you jump on me with both feet, let me tell you this - it is not 'customary' for any animal to be left in a "knocking chute" for several seconds after it has been stunned. If the stunning was correctly done, the animal is rolled out of the chute immediately so that it can be shackled and bled (to death) prior to regaining consciousness. If the stunning wasn't done correctly, they don't just stand there looking at - or videoing - the animal, they stun it again. That portion of the video has all of the hallmarks of a staged incident.”
“Watch Beef Products Inc.'s video on pink slime on UTube....then tell me you still want to eat this stuff, if you do it is your choice, but I don't want to eat it, I don't want my family eating it nor do I think the children in schools should be eating it just because its cheap! All of our children deserve better.”
“several problems with the whistleblower adjetctive in this story
Gerald Zirnstien was still in college when the the labeling criteria for BLBT was approved during President Reagan's term. His opinionated email missed relavancy by a dozen years.
Gary Carter's opinion is a matter of degree. Meat that is 90% fat and therefore trimmed is then run through a centrigue to remove the fat and the remaining meat is 90% lean or just 10% fat. The 90% fat is now a purer product more suitable for cooking or other uses.
He describes himself as a ner do well. So why put much stock in his opinioin.”
“After clicking on the read the orginal buttons and going to New Scientist and the Science, I believe it has been reviewed.....but I expect to be complete the study would have to approach the size of wikipedia.”
“I had thought climate change was the cause of dust storms over Baghdad until my sons came home and reported that it rained 30" annually and the climate was really much like Austin, Texas. For civilization to have started there, farming must have been easy since making bread from grain is sophiticated. Using farming techniques we would call "organic" they have depleted the quality of the soil so that fertilizer and water have to be added to grow vegetables. My sons watched rich black soil where vineyards were torn out quickly get turned into hard red clay after a few years under the plow.
I recommend notill.org”
rjmtx on May 5, 2011 at 21:28:52
“Hey, but Austin 10,000 years ago was more like east Texas, and I bet Baghdad had higher rainfall, too. It is climate change, but this is really big picture stuff. I hear Israel is like Austin, too (except Mediterranean), and abuse of the land coupled with long-term climate change has made it what it is today. Austin used to be oak savanna, and look at it now, rocky and full of cedar thanks to fire suppression, overgrazing, and farming. Oh, and the pines are gone thanks to climate change.
I'm really just excited you mentioned Austin... I miss it sometimes.”