“My sister in law has two. Our neighbours have two, one of whom is my son's friend. Our friends across town have two. Just like all people.
You need to put down the Quran and get with the times. In the grand scheme of things it's more important to honour and know the different lives of your neighbours than when exactly to start your iftar meal. If god is so flimsy and shallow to care more about the timing of your meal as opposed to you loving, respecting and honouring all citizens of the world, then it is not a god worth paying a second's worth of attention to.”
“If we allow business to discminate against the public on the basis of the directing mind's beliefs, then we're back to not serving black customers at the lunch counter (because of beliefs around racial mixing).
If you serve the public, you serve the whole public, without discrimination. It's progress that anti-discrimination now includes the LGTBQ community.”
“Well, that's discrimination plain and simple. And you're using Islam to celebrate such discrimination. Chances are that one of your family is gay (and hiding - with good reason given your thoughts). If you could understand that someone's sexuality has nothing to do with sin or evil, then you'd see how silly Islam and any other religion is with respect to homosexuality.
In any event, the SCC upheld the right of CA gays to marry, and one by one, each state in the US will follow Canada, Spain, France, UK, Netherlands, and other enlightened nations to recognize the inherent human right of gay people to form marriages and families.”
Ruhina Khan on Dec 7, 2013 at 10:54:15
“They are in the same category as murderers because they are trying to put an end to the human race”
Dec 6, 2013 at 23:48:26
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“Yes. We have matinees here.
Funny how a person living in a country where pretty much everyone is Turkish and looks the same and is Muslim and eats the same food and where almost every restaurant is exactly the same tells someone from a city with a foreign born population of 50%, where 40% of the people are non-European, and where city services can be accessed in hundreds of languages and you can eat from the world's gourmet tables in almost every neighbourhood that that city is not cosmopolitan. Ha!
Cosmopolitan means "from around the world". From around Anatolia, with a few Bulgarians and Albanians thrown in is hardly cosmopolitan.”
Taxim on Dec 7, 2013 at 00:10:10
“I can imagine why the average American tourist doesn't exactly leave town with any legitimate cultural knowledge but I can never quite understand why they are so vocal with their ignorance. Mind you, it would be very difficult to find very many people in Istanbul interested in attending an opera matinée, weekday no less. :))))”
Dec 6, 2013 at 13:06:04
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“Note to barwench:
The Russian community lives in the far northern suburbs, so going to a suburban strip mall in Thornhill to sing Russian folk songs and drink vodka does not make your little two-day trip with mama and papa a "Toronto Experience".”
“Please, the Grand Bazaar is full of the same crap we can buy here in Toronto and it's all made in China. Where do you think it's made? In Gazientep?”
Taxim on Dec 6, 2013 at 01:37:12
“Çerkezköy, actually. You appear to have some sort of desperate emotional need to been seen as something more than you are. Informed, for example. Is this a common reaction to growing up on the prairie?”
Dec 5, 2013 at 23:14:45
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“I don't live on the prairies and where I live the winter isn't that long. It was 14C today.
Remember, Toronto is an alpha world city in a first world rich nation known for peace, human rights and democracy, and where you ply your trade is a beta world city, in a middle income country with abysmal human rights and a fragile demoracy. Although it is a whole lot better than Imperialist dictatorial Russia.”
Taxim on Dec 6, 2013 at 01:38:27
“Only a prairie boy experiences Toronto as a cosmopolitan city. :)”
Israel is not an apartheid state. It is currently occupying extra-territorial land not its own, but within its borders, equal rights are guaranteed to all citizens. As the Arab Israelis have become wealthier, more secular, and more assimilated into general Israeli culture, their birth rate is tumbling. After 60 years of statehood (a tiny period of time) you now see Arabs and Jews working and living alongside each other in metropolitan Tel Aviv, and at the beach and in restaurants and clubs together,. The young Arabs are more interested clubbing in Tel Aviv than in living their parents' life in a small Arab village. The occupation will end, but Israel will endure as a ethnic Jewish majority state.
South Africa was indeed occupied by colonialists from the Netherlands and the UK.
Indonesia is the most successful Muslim country and the closest the Muslim world has to a democracy, along with Turkey. Neither is perfect, but they're better than any Arab country.
Chile and the Philippines certainly did benefit from western influence (or imperialism if you prefer). Otherwise, the Philippines would be a complete basket case and Chile would be Ecaudor and not the richest and best run South American country.
I know you're busy. Respond if and when you have time.”
Jeremy Janishewski on Dec 9, 2013 at 14:45:08
“I have no problem with Israel existing though it certainly has no relevance to the life of the average American. I just don't think it will unless it softens its stance. If I were Israel, I would negotiate a separate peace with the PA in the West Bank, do my best to show that it can work, and then put political pressure from both sides on the Gaza Hamas Authority which would likely lead to their ouster by the people, largely by seeing the economic gains of the West Bank, but what do I know.
One thing I would say about Arab lands post early conquests, if we are going to go back far enough in history to say that Israel is a jewish land by historical right, is that the contributions to the world in categories from treatment of prisoners, to math, science, architecture, medicine, engineering, etc.. rival that of any in the history of man, democracy or no democracy. Strange how such brutal conquering cultures seem to contribute so much to human civilization going back to Greeks, Romans, Persians,etc.. (sorry off topic thought).
As far as Chile, Ecuador, and the rest of South and Central America (wow this could be a whole other topic), we stifled their growth, I'm almost out of words, I might leave this for another time ;) Hope to hear from you soon, take care. And I forgot Indonesia, ugh, word limits.”
“I do actually. But to be honest, I'm not impressed. There are some lovely traditions, but this is a code for living for the year 700, not for the year 2014. And Jews are not hiding behind trees and are not your eternal enemy. And women are not unclean....ever. And while it's a lovely story, no man ever ascended into the sky on a winged horse, unless it was done with CGI.
I'm a proud Jew and support my traditions without having to believe all the gobblygoop that was believable to an ignorant population that was illiterate, and unschooled in science and critical thought. Just something to think about.....”
Ruhina Khan on Dec 6, 2013 at 23:22:57
“Islaam is a very vast religion and people take from it what they want. All the things you mentioned above i have not heard about mainly because i was not exposed to the same stories you were exposed to. The only real source of Islaam is the Qur'an; and even that gives the true picture when understood in its original text. It takes a lot of critical thought just to understand one verse. If people were to understand the Qur'an as it should (not just read it as a holy book) we would be able to unravel all the scientific mysteries of the Universe as never before.”
“OK, but I think you confuse a perfect moral, superhuman system of laws and governance with the imperfections of democracy. As it has been said, democracy is the least bad system.
So, countries that have managed to create well functioning mature democracies after western imperial rule...hmmmm...let's see.....
Um...how about India for example? (hundreds of years of British raj)
Or Japan (years of American occupation following WWII)
Or South Korea (years of American occupation following WWII)
Or Israel (years of British mandate after the Ottoman occupation
Or Germany (occupied by 4 states followiing WWII)
Or South Africa (occupied by the Dutch, then the British, then the Apartheid regime)?
Or Indonesia (occupied by the Dutch for hundreds of years)
Or Philippines (occupied for hundreds of years by the Spanish, then the Americans)
...and to return to your examples:
Chile is currently a functional democracy and seems to have no problem with the US or UK whether its government is to the right or left.
Same goes for Panama.
Vietnam is NOT a democracy (like Iran is NOT a democracy), but yet Vietnam has good relations with the US despite the horrors of the Vietnam War.
There just seems to be something wrong with the Arab countries.”
Jeremy Janishewski on Dec 5, 2013 at 17:23:11
“I am enjoying our discourse, but please understand this will be my last post for a while. I have to work after all ;) I will reply as soon as I can tomorrow.
Japan, Germany, South Korea - Good examples and I said in my first post that I was talking about POST WW2, so we do agree on that, and that truly first global war was a special example. Let us not forget the realities of that war however when we pat ourselves on the back. Brave African American soldiers were segregated even when they demonstrated more skill than white soldiers in battle.
Israel- Apartheid state that will cease to be a jewish state in a few years when its native Arab population grows larger than its Jewish population.
South Africa- did not benefit from occupation, became a democracy by overthrowing it and treated its former masters with more humanity than I would have.
Indonesia- Not democratic and not successful by any measuring stick, not sure why it is on the list.
Phillipines/Chile/Vietnam- The perfect example of why I have a problem with your world view. These nations, and most of the above, did not benefit from colonialism and exploitation, they survived despite it and are dealing with slower growth because of it. In none of these non-WW2 examples could you give me any tangible benefits from imperial rule. I think you are confusing emerging democracies as having grown from imperialism, when they grew after and despite it.”
“Oh, then we're agreed. No history of democracy in Iraq. Or anywhere else in the Arab world for that matter.”
Jeremy Janishewski on Dec 5, 2013 at 14:50:07
“Explain to me how democracy could ever develop under western imperial rule. And no, we do not agree. Iran elected a democratic ruler and we had him replaced by a military dictator, overthrown by a popular revolution that we are dealing with to this very day.. As we did in Venezuela, Panama, Ecuador, Vietnam, Chile, the Arab nations, India, and the list goes on. No attempt by the right to revise history would pass the truth test and neither will yours. I would bet we would agree on nothing. If you want to go further, America has no history of democracy either for anyone but rich white land owners, so it applies to all. How long before blacks had the vote, and are still not treated as equal citizens? How long until women had the right to vote? How long before children were not dying in factories? How long did we have slaves? How long did we reject one immigrant population after another? Your turn to answer questions.”
“I'm afraid that 5 years of a tripartite governing council is not a history of democracy. And the CIA couldn't have done anything if the Sunnis didn't support the Baathists (who were ascendant all over the region at the time) who devised the way to overthrow the governing council.
By the way, Qasim was an army general who overthrew the monarchy in a coup d'etat, and then who ruled himself with his army buddies. Qasim became autocratic and advocated for militarily annexing Kuwait. When he didn't get his way with Kurdish leaders, he attacked Kurdistan. This led to the weakening of his power, and his ultimate fall in a coup.
While the CIA and other intelligence agencies had their fingers in the pie due to Qasim's rabid anti-Western tilt, it was Iraqi Baathists themselves that overthrew this cracy autocrat.
So, now, back to the question: when exactly was Iraq's history of democracy?”
Jeremy Janishewski on Dec 5, 2013 at 13:37:36
“The Sunnis are a minority in Iraq, he was correct in calling for the invasion of Kuwait ( as Kuwait was a colonial invention designed to take control over the Rumaylah oilfield to deny independent Iraq a huge source of income and to create future political instability (obviously successfully). The Kurds were part of the council and most were not ba'athists. Not sure you can call a nation that just fought a war to rid themselves of imperial western rule as "rabid". They had every right to be after colonial brutality. And your depiction of him as "crazy" is not a historical fact, it is posturing. And the CIA backed Ba'athists were awful. Lets not pretend they did Iraq a favor. So, now, back to my answer: I never said they had a history of democracry.”
“I'd love to hear all about Iraq's history of democracy!!!!! Please, I've search everywhere, and I've found nothing about it.”
Jeremy Janishewski on Dec 5, 2013 at 13:05:05
“In 1958 Qasim overthrew the monarchy that actively collaborated with British colonial imperialists and declared a republic, formed a tripartite governing coucil, created a constitution, and was elected PM. The CIA did not like this, nor did they like his relations with the USSR and his allowing the Communist Party to form and participate in government so the CIA had him overthrown in The Ba'athist coup in 1963, continuing the long tradition of America wanting democracy for everyone as long as they elect who we want, interact with who we want, and sell us those resources. Also, I never said they had a history of democracy. From 1963 until the end of the Iraq/Iran war, we supported the totalitarian forces that used American money, weapons, and power to oppress any democratic action, so how would any democracy exist? I said that we destroyed it and we did.”
Jeremy Janishewski on Dec 5, 2013 at 12:48:50
“A shame, it is very easy to find. In1958 Qasim overthrew the monarchy that actively collaborated with British colonial imperialists and declared a republic, formed a tripartite governing coucil, created a constitution, and was elected PM. The CIA did not like this, nor did they like his relations with the USSR and his allowing the Communist Party to form and participate in government so the CIA had him overthrown in The Ba'athist coup in 1963, continuing the long tradition of America wanting democracy for everyone as long as they elect who we want, interact with who we want, and sell us those resources. Also, I never said they had a history of democracy. From 1963 until the end of the Iraq/Iran war, we supported the totalitarian forces that used American money, weapons, and power to oppress any democratic action, how would any democracy exist. I said that we destroyed it and we did. And please stop with the exclamation marks. They, along with all caps, make posters look unhinged.”