Dec 7, 2012 at 19:41:53
Canada British Columbia
“Once again we are faced with the fallacy of exclusion from Krause. For example, in addition to Pembina and the WCELRF the Rockefeller Brothers Fund also funds (through Corporate Ethics International & the New Venture Fund) efforts to "reduce demand for tar sands derived fuels in the United States." Very difficult to jive that with the claim all this is to "maintain the U.S. monopoly on Canadian exports."
And never explained is the quid pro quo: How do these foundations materially benefit from all this? If we are to take this at face value we are to accept that private foundations are funding U.S. foreign policy on their own dime out of some sort of patriotism - and nothing more. Which of course contradicts 300+ years of corporate behaviour.
We live in a Canada where the HarperGov - as documented recently by the Polaris Institute - met with oil industry lobbyists 2,733 times since 2008. This is 463% more meetings than with environment groups. And what's the real-world effect? Just yesterday changes to the Navigable Waters Protection Act stripped protection from thousands of lakes and rivers so that now only 97 lakes and 62 creeks, rivers and canals require Federal approval for development.
This is what's *actually* happening.
There is a minor factual error: The Canadian Boreal Initiative (which the HarperGov was a partner in - another fallacy of exclusion) seeks to protect 50% of Canada's boreal forests, which are 1.4 billion acres in total. 50% is 700,000 acres.”
Dec 3, 2012 at 19:10:06
Canada British Columbia
“Hmmm...I think genuinewitty needs to revisit the definition of "ad-hominem". Writing - with examples - how the Harper Government has muzzled Canadian scientists because they endanger it's energy development plans and then comparing it - with examples - to the Harper Government vilifying environmental foundations they had previously embraced because they threaten it's energy-development plans is not an example of the ad-hominem fallacy or, in fact, any logical fallacy. (It's actually a compelling argument).
An example of a logical fallacy would be the conflation of, say, the Hewlett-Packard Foundation with the Hewlett-Packard Corporation, which genuinewitty does. Or stating the Ruckus Society is involved in black bloc anarchism because they are based in Oakland and that's where a lot of black bloc anarchists allegedly come from.
They might also want to look into the concept of "assuming your conclusion" also known as "begging the question".
Asking questions and urging transparency is not what Vivian Krause is being criticized for.”