May 1, 2013 at 22:36:16
“I don't understand how you think that happens. When I applied for jobs, it didn't ask me if I was foreign or Canadian. There was a salary range that was visible to everyone. No one in the interview asked me if I was a foreigner or Canadian.
Further, when international students graduate, most of them can work only for 3 years. If they want to continue after that, they have to go through HRSDC and prove that their wages are at the same rate as Canadians. Employers can be audited, and blacklisted.
It doesn't make sense for a corporation to hire someone on the cheap every three years because it then has to train someone new every three years. There's costs for that. Heavy costs.
There is no reason why foreigners should be brought in to work at Tim Horton's. I'm speaking about professional jobs.
It's a fallacy that foreign workers lower wages.”
Terran on May 1, 2013 at 22:51:45
“perhaps in some singular cases it may be the case that employers will houour the wage commitment - however when the market gets flooded with immigrants, foreign trained professionals, international students, temporary workers with a local canadian trying to get the job - employers being greedy will naturally lower or suppress wages. why do you think there haven't been any real gains in pay over the last decade if not more? flooding markets with cheap foreign labour doesn't help local pool of workers. ”
May 1, 2013 at 22:17:33
“Not on HP. It seems that HP commenters are OK with relying on foreigners and their 6 year olds to build their TVs and sew their clothes in windowless factories. In that case, corporations are great because I can fill my apartment with goods made in China and India for a fraction of what it would cost if they were built here. But when the same corporation recruits foreigners to work in its offices, even if the workers are doing professional work and paying taxes, the hypocritical junkies step out with their "woe is me" cries. It's almost pathetic.
It's so sad to see people want to shut down such programs and insulate themselves from global market forces and global competition.”
May 1, 2013 at 22:00:02
“a way "in"??? I'm not talking about taking ESL classes. I am totally against allowing international students to come here JUST TO STUDY ENGLISH. But, it's a lucrative program for the government, and creates jobs.
I was referring to full-time studies at colleges and universities. Do you honestly think it's easy for someone in a little town in India to save $30,000 a year to pay for his/her kid's tuition? It's definitely not a way in. But when you're here, why wouldn't you apply for jobs here? Many do go back because they don't get hired. Many stay because they do get hired.
It's not like international students are graduating, and then recruiters give them extra marks because they are international students. IN fact, it costs companies to hire international students. I don't get why Canadians think foreigners get treated better than Canadians. ...”
Terran on May 1, 2013 at 22:21:23
“the reason why canadians think that is because foreigners lower the pay for canadians as they are willing oftentimes to work below market value - employers that are greedy tend to hire recent immigrants / international students as it costs them less. so at the end local candidates get shafted, employer benefits by increased profits for using cheap labour and the international student is happy to have a job and government doesn't care about any of this or local canadians. great system if you are not local canadian.”
May 1, 2013 at 21:43:57
“Sure. I'm not saying people care about international students, nor am I asking you to care about me. I'm pointing to the cost benefit of eliminating or restricting the TFW.
My interest is to contribute to Canada's economy and society. I'm sure there are millions of substitutes for me who are born in Canada.
But, I don't think you know how economies work, and you may be confusing your own short-term interests measured in years or a couple of decades, with that of Canada's, measured in decades and centuries. But that's probably why you won't amount to much, or haven't amount to much despite the privileged position you are in as a Canadian.
Countries compete for labor and intellectual capital just like companies do. If Canadians don't want international students and foreign intellectual capital (often developed at universities and colleges), they'll go somewhere else.
Don't think about yourself only. Think about the nation.”
May 1, 2013 at 21:33:42
“You get an initial open work permit following graduation, but if you're a decent employee and your company wants to keep you, you can't get an extension on that permit unless you go through the LMO. I've done it.”
efecactus on May 1, 2013 at 21:37:21
“Ok.... I thought you have to go through the Canadian experience visa proggram”
May 1, 2013 at 21:32:36
“Criticizing?? Are you just dense????? I'm saying if this kind of thinking prevails (your kind of thinking), Canada will LOSE international students. Which may be just fine. But, my point was that you can't ask international students and their families to spend their life savings to come here, study here, and then not give them an opportunity to pursue employment. They will stop coming. Again, that may be just fine. I was merely pointing to a cost-benefit of constricting TFW or eliminating the program. Don't get your panties twisted.
So, Canadians have a "right" to employment? I'd love to see that in the BNA Act of 1867. (Google that. TFW like me know what that is. I"m sure you don't.)”
second degree on May 1, 2013 at 23:43:23
“Become a citizen, then we'll talk sweetpea. Just as an FYI - we've moved past the BNA and are now into the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Google it.”
Terran on May 1, 2013 at 21:46:10
“isn't the idea behind international students to get educated and go back home to actually use that knowledge for the benefit of their country of origin? you are not talking about international students - you are talking about potential residents using educational system as a way in which in itself is not genuine.”
May 1, 2013 at 15:16:55
“I went through labour market opinions, in which my company had to disclose my intended wage, and justify why they were hiring me and not a Canadian. I don't know how companies are "getting away" with things? I had to file an application to both HRSDC and Immigration. I needed both approvals.
I don't understand how Tim Horton's can demonstrate that they couldn't find anyone...it's crazy, and gives the rest of us who studied in Canada and are working professional jobs, a bad name.”
lladyon on May 1, 2013 at 16:50:35
“Yes a bad name textbyjatt~ I am wondering why you must go on and on with this comment? But then I see...."why they were hiring me and not a Canadian"
LOL!! Here I thought you were the HP moderator.
I am sure immigration will appreciate all your Canadian education~ this will help with your moderating of others' comments as well. GOOD JOB texbyjatt!!!”
May 1, 2013 at 15:14:51
“Why not try to offer an opinion that is specific to the topic? do you have to treat every forum available as your personal blog and ramble on and on?”
lladyon on May 1, 2013 at 15:18:46
“How much does the job of moderator for HP pay? And how did you actually get picked to do the job?Why not try to offer your opinion to those that really care about what you have to say?Is this not a PUBLIC forum??”
May 1, 2013 at 15:12:45
“I am a TFW. There is no reason to recruit foreign workers to come work at retail or construction or cashiers or gas station attendants.
But, to lump this group in with people who study here, graduate here, apply for jobs like everyone else, go through labour market opinions, is...so awesomely stupid.
Good luck attracting international students and charging them double the tuition if you're going to say "Well, thanks for coming by and giving us $100,000 of external money. Now, please exit our borders."”
Nat Pop on May 1, 2013 at 16:38:45
“"Good luck attracting international students and charging them double the tuition ..."
Other than the universities charging said tuition, nobody really cares about international students. Nor is it in the interest of Canada if intenrational students study here or not.
I think you're confusing your personal interest with Canada's interest.”
second degree on May 1, 2013 at 16:26:14
“It was your choice to come to Canada to get an education. Don't cry to us that you spent upwards of $100 K. You don't tell us whether you're a naturalized citizen or not. If you aren't and you're taking away jobs that by rights belong to Canadian citizens then you're part of the problem and not the solution. Sorry, you'll get no sympathy from Canadians by criticizing us.”
efecactus on May 1, 2013 at 16:13:20
“Not sure where you got the idea that foreign student that study in canada go through LMO”
“Reagan was president in the 80s. Right? There was no internet in the 80s. There was no e-commerce in the 80s. As much as I like to hate on unions, the digital revolution has changed the global economy permanently. That isn't something a president can control.”
PoiliTicked on Apr 23, 2013 at 16:59:23
“internet does not make good they have to be made somewhere and that is where it starts. democrats have the free market loophole for NAFTA that started all the tax breaks to share the wealth so to speak and all started with Clinton!”
“I am full believer in capitalism. I despise unions. I despise people who have kids and then can't feed them. I despise people who buy a house thinking it can only go up, then the market crashes, and then they can't make payments, and then they whine.
But I think you need to get further informed. There are systemic and systematic issues with how the country is run. It isn't an even playing field. The government is essentially owned by corporations. This doesn't fare well for the public and for young entrepreneurs.”
marianproletarian on Apr 23, 2013 at 17:09:37
“I can't relate with your feelings about unions, but your second paragraph is truth.”
“There are comments on here about how heroic and clever the police force was....
All they did was take tips from the public, and sent out tanks, helicopters, patrol cars, and thousands of police to walk around the neighborhood, and search it inch by inch. Then, they riddled the boat with guns.
That isn't heroic; that's just...taking a shot and hoping it works out. Heroic would be some hero walking up to the boat after assessing its contents from far away using the nightvision, infrared technology availble to them and then containing the suspect.
We should stop debasing the word 'hero' by applying it regular, run of the mill police work.”
Leto II on Apr 22, 2013 at 12:21:28
“It's typical of liberals like you to devalue what cops and soldiers do. They get shot at with bullets that can kill them at any moment. That's what makes them heroes. They do something that you're too much of a coward to do. And when that happens, all you liberals can do is devalue and say, 'no big deal'.
Isn't there a soldier returning from Iraq or Afghanistan that you need to be spitting on? Isn't there a cop who got shot that you need to be celebrating about since the cops was probaly a racist anyway?”
Mike Bedar on Apr 22, 2013 at 12:18:25
“Part of me agrees with you, but if part of your day is getting shot at I'm willing to be a little loose with the definition of hero.”
Tanooki Mario on Apr 22, 2013 at 11:58:57
“You aren't the arbiter of what hero means. Here are the relevant definitions of what hero actually means:
1. c : a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities
d : one who shows great courage
And here is what you seem to only think it means:
4 : an object of extreme admiration and devotion : idol
Police and public work done right is inherently a noble calling. Going into an area where you might face a bullet to the face is inherently great courage. Your arguments are wrong and they also point to some other unspoken issue you have with police and government. Have the courage to just say what you really mean.”
jqmoon on Apr 22, 2013 at 11:54:52
“Are you kidding? They rushed immediately toward the bombing victime to help them not knowing if there was another bomb.They were dealing with people throwing BOMBS at them and they still tackled the older brother and subdued him. It took good police work to find these guys and sift through the thouands of tips to get the right info. You have a nerve mocking the people who ultimately make you safe. What heroic thing would you do as an armchair hero?”
Mike Savick on Apr 22, 2013 at 11:54:36
“What a juvenile, disgusting statement. You wouldn't qualify to be a cop and you definitely
don't sound like anyone who has military experience. Cops on a 24 hour basis face the possibility of a surprise attack solo in their communities without a front line, military intelligence, squad tactics, armor, artillery, air support etc. And the military mission with all of those support factors is still very dangerous. Bless all of them, cops and soldiers.. Cops come through at great risk when we need them and still avoid accidently injuring civilians in most cases. Our soldiers risk a great deal in terrible situations but rarely express pleasure at having had to kill. Not enough credit is ever given to you. God bless..”
aegoldlaw on Apr 22, 2013 at 11:54:24
“I think the police are being lauded more for being effective than heroic. Compare this to the search for the ex LAPD "cop killer" Dorner. In that case the police managed to shoot two innocent civillians and almost kill another by firing into his care - when Dorner was nowhere to be seen.”
amyg5861 on Apr 22, 2013 at 11:53:15
“So being in the line of fire with a possibility of being blown up while searching for this guy is not heroic? wow, I guess Batman was busy that day.”
MPCpiano626 on Apr 22, 2013 at 11:51:34
“Unfortunately you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes between the Boston police, the FBI, ATF, and other groups. Or the officer who took bullets in the shootout between suspect #1 in Watertown. Or the MIT policeman gunned down.”
“You unnecessarily brought in Muslims in a rape case in India, a country mostly full of Hindus. You did that for no reason other than to incite further hatred for muslims. The article had no mention of a religion. You are worth of all the discontent i can gather.”
“Because...it's too difficult....Feminists have one purpose: to write theses for the phds. That's it. The Rosa Parks of the world are long gone. Today's feminists are about writing articles.”
JPETERB on Apr 20, 2013 at 22:59:45
“Rosa Parks would not likely agree with your skewed assessment of her or women in general. Human rights are the same as women's rights. The right to not be subject to physical violence and cultural abuse being common to all peoples.
India's Rape Furor Catalyzes New Alliances ... - Women's eNews
womensenews.org/.../rape/.../indias-rape-furor-catalyzes-new-alliance...Jan 14, 2013 – "It means violence against women is no longer just a woman's issue. ... The police have asked women's groups to draw out a specific road map ...”
“Hindus are peaceful? Yes, indeed. It's not like they bomb trains and mosques.
And, what religion is it that used to require women to burn themselves alive with their dead husbands?????
And what was the religion of the rapists who sodomized that young girl on the bus a few months ago? Oh yeah, Hinduism.
How about those Hindu soldiers who carry out rapes en-masse under the protection of the government?
Oh, which religion is it that's essentially responsible for the caste system that renders entire races of Indians as untouchables????
Yes. Hindus are bloody peaceful.”
WomenMatter2 on Apr 20, 2013 at 02:10:14
“I don't care about anyone's religion but about human rights. Say what you want, you are probably from that country and have your family's history of war and hatred for those people over the years. They treat their women well and that is a good start. They are more peaceful than Muslims but it is irrelevant because the overall message I was sending is about "Women's Rights". We immigrate many Indians and Pakistanis in Canada. The people we have the most problem with are Muslims. They condemn their daughters for trying to fit in after they bring them here to integrate (but I guess they don't do they) and some have even gone as far enough to kill their own on our soil. It's is wrong! That is my opinion and you want to argue it? I don't condone any killing but I am upset about the justification of the Muslim community abusing their women because it is a closed society for those women. I care and that is the absolute best start.”
Shannon Sultan on Apr 20, 2013 at 00:38:21
“I just came back from there. In my experience, you are right about the Hindus. The Sikhs, they are the gems of India. My husband is Sikh and so is his family. They will not demean a woman. They will not put her down. She is the queen of her home and her husband, lol. My Uncle in law who lives in the same city as I do is afraid of his wife. She even counts the money in his wallet. Now, before you say that's too far, think of it this way......at least he is not abusing her or following the Hindi culture. He is giving her the utmost respect as a woman and is in fact following what the Hindu SHOULD be doing. He sees his wife as the only one who makes him whole. Same with my inlaws. Same with my husband. I am 3 months pregnant right now and they don't care what gender the baby is as long as it is healthy. I even own farmland in India right now and I own a part of the house and the land it sits on. Not all of India or all Indians are bad.”
“It's true. Now, from the Musilms' point of view. almost all of the 100,000s of civilians that have been killed in the last 10 years in Afghanistan and Iraq have been killed by Christian Americans.
So, both are equal terrorists. Only difference is, for you Americans, you have the luxury of killing people overseas so that your own streets aren't bloodied. Which gives you the illusion that you're doing something civil and moral The army flies over and drops bombs, wiping out villages of children.