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Quebec, the NDP and Nycole Turmel: Let the Tumultuous Times Begin

Posted: 08/03/11 06:28 PM ET

The last two weeks have proven to be a tumultuous time for Canadian politics as our nation learned of the tragic news of Mr. Layton's cancer and his consequential temporary leave as leader of the opposition. What we as a nation witnessed next was people from all walks of political life show their support for the man who single-handedly brought forth an orange revolution of unprecedented proportions.

However, as if not wanting to be outdone, this week sprung up and provided for more political drama, and it's only mid-week. As it turns out, Nycole Turmel, the NDP interim leader, was a member of the Bloc Québécois up until this past January. Ms. Turmel claims she was a member in order to support her friend. But does she even need to be giving her reasons for previously being a Bloc supporter? There are a number of the 59 Quebec NDP MPs who have former separatist ties.

Ms. Turmel's links to sovereignty parties in Quebec are neither shocking nor unprecedented. In fact, there have been MPs from other political parties with previous ties to the Bloc; Maxime Bernier and Denis Lebel from the Conservatives and former Liberal Quebec Lieutenant, Jean Lapierre, to name a few.

The NDP is right to say that other political parties are not in a position to be throwing stones considering the other parties themselves are currently living in a glass house with regards to this issue.

Others are claiming that her very nomination to the post of interim leader puts the entire NDP leadership into question. Does it? They obviously knew about her Bloc ties, and didn't think it was an issue. Should we be surprised that a Québécois MP with heavy unionist ties used to support the only other party far left of center federal party? If anything, does it not seem odd that right leaning Denis Lebel and Maxime Bernier could go from left to right at the drop of a hat, thus suggesting their sole motive for Bloc support was indeed secession and not the Bloc's other leftist party policies?

Ms. Turmel seems to have ties to yet another political party who has secessionist goals: Québéc Solidaire. Ok, sure, I'm sure to the rest of English Canada that seems pretty shady, but here in Quebec, anybody will tell you that if she was a true separatist, she would be voting Parti Québécois, not Québec Solidaire.

The fact that her provincial voting allegiances lay with Québec Solidaire and not the Bloc's sister party should be a clear indication that she is more of a radical leftist than a diehard separatist. In fact, I would be more concerned at the fact that she was willing to align herself with the views of Amir Khadir, rather than the fact that she was a member of a provincial party with a separatist agenda.

It was clear that the entire province of Quebec was looking for a change on Parliament Hill on May 2, and if that includes former Bloc supporters who decide to run for a federalist party, then that is a good thing. When collapsing highways, roads, tunnels and buildings are commonplace, it becomes difficult to put the issue of secession on the political forefront when any future commute to work or leisurely dinner in a downtown restaurant could be potentially fatal. There is an increasing amount of Bloc and PQ supporters that are now realizing there are more pressing issues on the political agenda. This is nothing short of refreshing.

I don't always agree with the NDP's politics, (ok, I rarely agree with their politics), but Quebec does, and the province loves Layton. Jack is the sole reason why Quebecers decided to let their province go from Bloc blue to NDP orange. This is demonstrated by the sheer number of virtually unknown NDP MPs, most of whom did not even bother campaigning for themselves. If you were to ask around in Quebec why people voted NDP, you would be regaled with the answer, "J'ai voté pour Jack" again and again.

The people of Quebec knew they were voting for a federalist party, and although Mr. Layton was quite successful at remaining ambiguous on several key issues involving the French language and secession, nobody in Quebec was voting for Layton with the hopes that the NDP would unilaterally declare Quebec an independent nation. Likewise, Ms. Turmel did not infiltrate the ranks of the NDP on the sly. I hate to disappoint, but there is no secret separatist conspiracy here.

Don't get me wrong; I am always weary of an MP or a political party who does not take a clear stance on the notion of Canadian national unity, which is why I would never vote NDP. But it does not seem to bother NDP voters or insiders. So why should we let it bother us?

 

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The last two weeks have proven to be a tumultuous time for Canadian politics as our nation learned of the tragic news of Mr. Layton's cancer and his consequential temporary leave as leader of the oppo...
The last two weeks have proven to be a tumultuous time for Canadian politics as our nation learned of the tragic news of Mr. Layton's cancer and his consequential temporary leave as leader of the oppo...
 
 
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11:27 AM on 08/09/2011
well this thread has taken a weird turn.

but good job suprya for writing about the cons having bloc ties first, now this story seems to be everywhere.
02:31 PM on 08/05/2011
are we actually having on argument on here about supriya not being able to run for government b/c she is an indian woman?? guys, it's 2011, anybody in this country who is a citizen has a fair chance, and considering that she is an articulate law student from a french school gives her a huge leg up in the race.
11:49 AM on 08/05/2011
Jai Hind, 4 things (the reply isn't working for some threads):
1. Indian men would probably vote for her just based on the fact that she is Indian, because there are no high profile Indians in Canadian politics.
2. There is always sexism that prevails in these situations, just look at Hilary Clinton in the states, so you have a point that this would happen
3. Having said that, as a representative of this sexist minority you speak of, I wouldn't go around being proud of the fact that you are a sexist.
4. Are we really regressing to a time where gender equality needs to be addressed? And we need to make the argument that women can do just as good of a job as men? C'mon.
01:13 PM on 08/05/2011
i hate it when that happens with the reply button. the moderators prob do it more on her posts since there's always some intense debate that comes up...

1. indian men would vote for her if she was traditionally indian, and we have seen that she is not. she is a feminist, which is a dirty word in my culture.

2. i dont think clinton was a sexism thing, but ok.

3. i never said i wouldnt vote for her, i was just trying to bring to max's attn that supriya wouldnt be so loved by all ethnics as he claims, altho im sure she could sweep quebec quite easily without the ethnic vote. also, in order to really get the GTA and vancouver, she would need a punjabi or sikh husband, it would make her more likable.

4. i dont think we're regressing, i dont think we ever reached a time where it was completly equal. im not being sexist, just realistic. i think she would/could do an excellent job (as good a job a liberal can do anyway) i just dont think its realisitc to expect she would ever make it up the ranks as leader, let alone win.
10:15 AM on 08/05/2011
dear huffpo- this blog should really be accessed through the main site, it makes no sense that a hot topic like this, and a view from québec is not easily accessed by the readers. could it be b/c nobody wants to hear québec's side?
04:12 PM on 08/04/2011
there are a few things off with this article, but overall a good piece.

first, i think that NDP voters certainly do care that turmel was/is a separatist..well, the ROC does anyway, even if qc voters dont.

second, as voters, it is our job to care who our leaders are.

third, no other political party has had a former bloc or PQ person as their leader.
10:13 AM on 08/05/2011
um, jean lapierre was the liberal quebec lt. hes even mentioned in the article! he used to be PQ before going liberal.
11:28 AM on 08/09/2011
right, sorry, i meant more like having an actual leader of the party be a bloc member, as in if iggy was a former bloc member....
03:20 PM on 08/04/2011
supriya, just when i think we can start to agree on things, you disappoint me.

turmel is a separatist, otherwise she would have told the bloc she was leaving b/c she was a federalist and not b/c it "had nothing to do with the party's policies".

the NDP is not prepared to lead this country, and we sure as heck don't need somebody else from quebec at the helm.
02:05 PM on 08/04/2011
this is the best article i've read on the topic so far. people are really attacking her, when they know next to nothing about provincial politics in quebec. i went to mcgill for my bachelor's degree, so i know a little, and it's complicated..much more so than portrayed by the people who are coming down on the NDP and turmel.
01:41 PM on 08/04/2011
i think separatists are still alive and well...just take a ride down to anjou and you'll see them.
but i agree, there needs to be more people like turmel (who stop voting for separatism and start voting for smart policy), not less.
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11:57 AM on 08/04/2011
Great Article! Though I disagree with your final analysis that since the NDP doesn't care then the rest of us shouldn't care. On the contrary, it's the appointment of this lady to interim leader that is just plain bad politics. As such, all the scrutiny is well-deserved and I'm sure it was expected too.


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01:42 PM on 08/04/2011
i agree, although until the liberals get their act together, there isn't really anybody to vote for. what are your thoughts on this?
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01:56 PM on 08/04/2011
If you read my blog, I make the case that ideology needs to trump party politics. It's simply unfair that a majority-progressive country is now fully under the control of a Conservative government... Therefore, I think the strategy needs to be two-fold.

First and foremost: Take the wind out from the NDP sails, not by deriding them but rather by showing better leadership and reminding Canadians of the Liberals proven track record. Ideally, the NDP moderates would openly shift to the Liberals and call on all other moderates in the party to do so as well. Of course, this is a pipe-dream, so the Liberals will have alot of convincing to do.

Second: I believe Justin Trudeau needs to be the party's next leader. There's simply no other option. No more boring old men. With Trudeau there will be charisma, a Quebec connection, and the potential to ignite some voting motivation amongst my younger generation.

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02:07 PM on 08/04/2011
true, i think the NDP deserves scrutiny, but don't you think the media has been unfairly harsh on them regarding this issue?
11:25 AM on 08/04/2011
sounds like another quebeker is just trying to make excuses for one of her own.

turmel should face the consequences like a grown up, although the NDP is notorious for acting like children, case in point.
02:27 PM on 08/04/2011
not all quebecers are seperatists. So no, not another 'quebeker' making excuses for her own. reading other posts by the author would indicate her conservative leanings. And I'm not really sure what you mean by 'face the consequences'...have you looked into the mandates of all quebec provincial parties? since there is no provincial ndp party, what provincial party should she have aligned herself with? would it have been more acceptable if she were part of the parti liberale? if you would read up on the subject, just as the author mentionned, the quebec solidaire is the further left leaning provincial party, comparable to the ndp on the federal stage.
not quite sure you got the point of this argument...
03:22 PM on 08/04/2011
no, not all quebeckers are separatists, but she is, or at least was. yes, it would have been better had she voted liberal, and if more ppl like her who are apparently federalists yet still vote for separatist parties voted liberal, the PQ would not be poised to win the next quebec election.

get ready for another referendum
10:10 AM on 08/04/2011
another great article! this should really be on the front page, since it offers the perspective coming from quebec.
02:09 PM on 08/04/2011
agreed. i only came across this article, b/c i get her posts to my email, otherwise i wouldn't have found it.

this needs to be on the front page, or at the very least the politics front page.