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To Police, the Quebec Protesters (And Bystanders) Are Cattle

Posted: 05/24/2012 11:53 am

Last night marked a turning point in the Quebec student conflict, as police arrested over 500 protesters. This is the largest number of arrests made since the start of the conflict, which dates back to February. The police have come under constant attack for being heavy handed in their approach, most often through their employment of tear gas; however, last night they used a different approach. It's called kettling.

Think of it as the police equivalent of a border collie rounding up sheep.

Essentially, kettling is a method used by the police to surround the protesters and then cut off any exit points, forcing protesters into a quarantined area. It is widely employed in Europe, so one could make the argument that the protesting students have finally gotten a taste of the European model they have been clamouring for.

However, that would be pedantic and patronizing. This is Canada; (regardless of what some of the protest signs and slogans may say) so let us resort to Canadian examples.

During the G20 summit in Toronto in 2010, the police used kettling to round up protesters on 10 different occasions. There were widespread allegations of police brutality and misconduct, and a recent report by the Ontario police watchdog as well as another report by the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP, has condemned the use of kettling by police. The most obvious reason being that it gratuitously forces innocent bystanders to be confined to an area, and prevents them from exiting should they choose to do so.

In fact, according to an interview with Ian McPhail, vice-chair and interim chair of the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP, kettling is against RCMP policy. Of course, the Montreal Police and the Quebec Provincial Police are not the RCMP, but it would only seem logical if they had a similar policy. After all, how can the police expect blameless civilians who just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time from leaving the scene if they are shepherded into a makeshift corral?

There is, of course, the other side to this situation: considering what the police are faced with night after night, what else do we expect them to do? Kettling is a non-violent means to curtail protesters into an area, facilitating arrests without further disrupting a larger area of the city than necessary.

The protest last night was declared illegal, after projectiles and non-authorized routes were taken, and yet the protesters insisted on marching, true to their battle cries of not backing down. Is it then not fair to expect arrest once you are knowingly breaking the law? Is that not the underlying goal of some of these protests as they assertively and openly defy the law?

Now, considering the past behaviour of Montreal police and their penchant for racial profiling, (this does not seem to trouble the majority of white protesters, mind you) and police brutality, I am not going to defend them or their tactics.

Having said that, in taking into account the past practice of protesters, hurling Molotov cocktails, bricks, and other projectiles at the police, I cannot defend them or their strategy either. I can, however, condemn a practice that relegates guiltless onlookers to nothing more than the cattle they are treated as.

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12:41 PM on 06/10/2012
To police, the protestors are cattle ?

No, cattle are a benefit ; they serve a purpose . The protestors - not so much
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Gnomish
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11:33 AM on 05/28/2012
It's a good thing nobody in Quebec has thought of distributed protests of 50 on every corner.

Cattle that refuse to be herded are just as loud.
07:42 AM on 05/28/2012
Last night's march opened by turning towards that intersection. The wall of riot cops was there as before. Instead of hesistating and the leader shouting "En avant!", apparently into the wall of riot cops as happened Wednesday last, the leader sent the march to the right... then not long after, the march was back to the same intersection. There there was confusion, they decided to go left but some said no, there are cops there, we have to go right so there was a buildup of people at that intersection, some who stopped to photograph the line of riot cops. The crowd turned left without incident. It's my opinion now that the person who led the Wednesday march at the time either made a very bad mistake in making the police believe that they were going to storm the line or else he wanted an incident... really I don't see why the police didn't tell everyone that.
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05:28 PM on 05/25/2012
Why are the Kebecois students exhibiting such anger at the Charest regime? This is not something new in Kebec, because it atarted by school-teachers brainwashing the students and telling them to act out their hatred against the English-speaking community, all this was in support of the Parti Kebecois, a left wing militant party, whose only raison d'etre was the removal of all English-speaking people in Kebec by whatever means necessary. These Metis/Metisse schoolteachers were in fact brainwashing students within the school system as they did in the USSR. Now all their barainwashing is bearing fruit in that the students are using what they taught in the schools against the government. All this has come about via the take-over of Kebecois society when the Parti Kebecois won the November 15, 1976 provincial election and formed a Racist government under one Metis leader named Rene Levesque, and and out fanatic. That is where all Kebec's problems began. Blame the prime movers, the Parti Kebeois for their LEFT leaning ideas and the destruction of the peaceful atmossphere thaty was once prevalent in Kebec. That is where Kebec's problems began in earnest!
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01:41 PM on 05/25/2012
103 odd days of student unrest is a lot for any civilized city.Students are hard to feel sorry for after a certain point.They should choose to realize how fortunate they are to live in a country that tolerates the unrest.That being said one day the tide will turn and popular opinion will be against them. It happens very quickly and without notice. Good luck to them all.
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12:26 PM on 05/25/2012
Cattle? Beef the only food.
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09:49 AM on 05/25/2012
“As police officers, repression is our job. We don’t need a community relations officer for a director, we need a general. Let’s keep in mind that the police force is, after all, a paramilitary body.”

--Yves Francoeur, President of the Montreal Police Brotherhood

DEMONSTRATION: SUNDAY, MARCH 15th, 2PM
Metro Mont-Royal
Organised by the Collective Opposed to Police Brutality (COBP)

The Montreal police (SPVM) is in an uproar. With the current cases against them looking as loaded as their guns, these guardians of the civil tranquility have a bad case of frayed nerves. Their bargaining tactics as they negotiate the renewal of their collective labor agreement have allowed us a glimpse of their true nature: they now parade around town in military apparel, sending a very clear message to the people of Montreal. The police are keeping a finger on the trigger, and are willing to fight for their right to keep it there.

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02:52 PM on 05/25/2012
«Comprenons-nous, nous ne sommes pas pour l’établissement d’un État policier, nous savons qu’il faut travailler avec la population et créer des liens. Mais il y a des groupes pour ça. Notre boulot, à la police, c’est la répression. Nous n’avons pas besoin d’un agent sociocommunautaire comme directeur, mais d’un général. Après tout, la police est un organisme paramilitaire, ne l’oublions pas.» — Yves Francoeur, Président de la Fraternité de Policiers.

“You must understand us, we are not for the establishment of a police State, we know we must work with the population and create links. But there are groups doing this. Our job, as police officers, is repression. We do not need a social worker as a director, we need a general. After all, the police is a paramilitary organization, let’s not forget it.” — The President of the Police Fraternity of Quebec, Yves Francoeur.
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08:16 PM on 05/24/2012
There's no single leadership for the different protest groups. And their agenda is continuously changing. It's no longer just tuition fees. It's become protest without a cause. Protest for protest sake. And who's to say even an election call would end it.

Last night's change in police tactics was a warning to the protesters. If they don't stand down, Bill-78 gives the authorities many different ways to declare the protests illegal. Which gives the police the power to use whatever tactics necessary to maintain order. Bill-78 is the only thing that intimidates the protesters.

3 & 1/2 months of continuous protesting has caused too much stress on the general population. The majority of the people of Montreal and Quebec want this to stop now. And they're ready for the police to do whatever it takes to stop it.
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11:34 PM on 05/24/2012
No one seems to be intimidated here in Montreal, not sure what you're talking about.
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TonyOnly
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09:00 AM on 05/25/2012
They screamed when Bill-78 was announced. They screamed when they were kettled. Previously they had been taunting police, but last night they completely changed their tactics to avoid police intervention.
What's your definition of intimidation?

I know the student mantra is:
Everybody loves us.
Everybody backs us
Everybody wants to see us win.

That may be true in their own 'hood. But the mostly UQUAM protesters aren't even a majority among Quebec students. They don't represent the hardworking Quebec people and their families. Who are the real majority in this province. The real majority despises the damage the protesters are causing to Quebec with their huge overreaction to a tuition increase that works out to about 70 cents a day.
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08:54 AM on 05/25/2012
Do you live in Montreal? I do. I can't speak for all people here, but of the people that I know, a couple hundred of my friends and co-workers, all support the protests. My friends are not students, we are all adult working people, and we support the students. We don't support or condone the violence, no one does, but we do support their right to protest. The protestors arched down my street last night, loudly banging pots and pans. No violence, no vandalism, just a lot of noise.
So again I ask, where do you get your information that a majority of Quebec want the protests to stop?
12:14 PM on 05/25/2012
At this point anyone pretending to care about "society" will be the first to back down and walk back to the bargaining table in good faith. But, they would need to back down and then walk back to the bargaining table and not head to the bargaining table fully armed.

Sadly, I feel that both sides are now using the population as fodder for their ongoing war. Selfish, disrespectful and shameful on both sides.

In Nineteen eighty-four Orwell Writes, that through out history there have always been three classes of people and this will never change. Those at the top want so stay there, those in the middle want to replace those at the top and those at the bottom are used by both to get what they want. and if you look at the demographics of this conflict they seem to match pretty well. Cynical but maybe true.
07:50 PM on 05/24/2012
They threw one water bottle at a line of fuzz blocking the street. That was after the kettle maneuver became an inevitability.
05:58 PM on 05/24/2012
Go for it. It's time the protesters learn that there are consequences for their actions. Why should they rely on the anonymity of being in a crowd to get away with throwing dangerous objects, assault, destroying private and public property and disrupting businesses. Normally there are problems laying charges when you round up hundreds of protesters, but at the very least the people they round up can be charged with participating in an illegal protest. Let the anarchists spend a few hours in jail, or more if they're caught on tape committing criminal offenses. They aren't democratic, and they aren't peaceful
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03:23 PM on 05/24/2012
Off course this all makes sense and your interpretations are fair. But, the details need to come out first. If the protest was declared illegal after projectiles were thrown and if sufficient time to leave the area of conflict was given then could there really be any "innocent" civilians? Anyone remaining would be defying the order to dissipate. This is not in any way saying that I agree with "kettling" as a sound strategy. But, me just being a bit pedantic.

Off course, this is a political game and the protesters appear to be way more savvy the Charest and his government. I do suspect that with the special law and with police anti-riot tactics becoming more aggressive the protesters are winning the media game. I do fully believe this is exactly what they are aiming for. And, I am sure the breaking point is close at hand and soon someone (or many someones) will get badly hurt (or worse) and it will be game over for the PLQ.

My cynicism knows no bounds and while the blame will be placed squarely on Charest's shoulders by the jury of public opinion, the truth of the matter will be that all players on all sides would have architected this war zone together.
07:52 PM on 05/24/2012
It was declared illegal before the march happened at all, but the police said they'd let it happen anyway, even provided escort for it much of the time. I guess this was designed to allow the police full discretion to attack the crowd at will. I know that I only found out it had been declared illegal after the fact, as did most of the people marching there.
09:46 PM on 05/24/2012
Yes, but they only mobilized after projectiles and other illegal acts were committed (I don't know the details I am just quoting articles) and therefore I assume that there was a window of opportunity between the declaration that the protester must disband and the kettling manoeuvre. If that was the case then there should not have been bystanders around.
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03:04 PM on 05/24/2012
Onlookers are not guiltless, and they are not innocent bystanders, they are at the very least gawkers getting in the way of the police and should not even be in the area if they don't want to be involved. If the protestors were not just a bunch of spoiled brats raised on protest by a culture of defiance and rebellion I would be moreunderstanding but when tuition in quebec is a third of the price of Ontario its hard to be sympathetic.
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03:23 PM on 05/24/2012
These protests take place in a city centre. People live, work, navigate, shop in and exist in these spaces. They live in and around them. Is life supposed to stop because the police in Quebec (who are famously corrupt and violent) are too incompetent to do anything?

During the G20 people walking home from work were rounded up. A woman returning from her wedding dress fitting ended up hand-cuffed in the back of a van when the "protesters" were arrested one by one in the pouring rain and ended up wetting herself after hours of unlawful detention.

That is unacceptable behaviour and an unacceptable way to treat people.

As for the tuition being 1/3 of Ontario - bully for Ontario students. If they'd protested in any sustained way 10 years ago it might never have happened.
07:56 PM on 05/24/2012
Say there are onlookers who are sympathetic to the march and see it and want to join. How can they know whether it's legal or not? If it's illegal the fuzz then can attack the crowd and round people up when people never knew they were involved in an illegal march, I mean, by any standard of criminal responsibility how can they be responsible when they don't know it's illegal, how can they tell?
01:39 PM on 05/24/2012
Supriya,

I can tell you one thing for certain, I have not been downtown for over 100 days and have no desire to go until these nightly riots come to an end. I will not be an innocent bystander. I feel sorry for those who work and live downtown, they don't seem to have any way of avoiding being caught up in the whole thing. But it does make sense to me that when chaos ensues, the only tool the police have is to arrest everyone and sort it out later. At least it stops the immediate threat. Everyone can plead their case in front of a judge. I'm certain that a movie ticket stub or proof that you live or work in the area would be more than enough to convince a judge to let you off the hook. I suppose that you could then sue for wrongfull arrest, and probably get a settlement later on. But the police aren't and shouldn't think that far ahead. They are concerned with the preservation of law and order in front of a clear and presnt danger to themselves and other citizens.
07:47 PM on 05/24/2012
While this is all true (to a point) it is still very far from ideal. I admit I would be very unhappy if I lost a night confined in a bus. Off course, I would also get the hell out of the way the minute I saw riot cops bearing down on me. The reality of the situation is that at this point, whatever your position on the tuition hike, bill 78, or the protests, you will have something to complain about as everyone is a victims or an aggressor in someones eyes.
07:52 PM on 05/24/2012
There was no riot. Everything was perfectly peaceful before the fuzz sprung their trap.
10:07 PM on 05/24/2012
I never said their was a riot I just called the cops riot cops. I assume that the ones with billy clubs and shields are called that but I could be wrong. I didn't mean to imply anything more.

And, are you saying that no one threw anything at all at the cops? And, that they never asked people to dissipate before, as you put it, "springing their traps"?