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Are Separatists Driving the Quebec Student Protest?

Posted: 06/01/2012 12:06 pm

I suppose very few people are surprised by the fact that the negotiations between the Liberal government and the student associations failed. Neither side was willing to compromise in an effective manner. Yes, the government has made several concessions to the students, some good, and some bad. Although from an objective standpoint, their last offer was an insult to the student leaders' resolve; it seems rather naïve for the government to have thought that the student leaders would have accepted a deal that was only $1 lower than the original proposal.

Both sides unrelentingly cite overly cited facts and figures. Quebec pays the lowest tuition in Canada, and Quebec students have the lowest debt in Canada. The strike isn't about tuition; it's about a deeper social cause. Universities are underfunded and Quebec universities in particular, save for McGill and perhaps the University of Montreal, are consistently outranked by their provincial counterparts. The government is corrupt and universities bleed money. Blah, blah, blah.

None of it really matters anymore. The government and the striking students are holding their province and the city of Montreal hostage. Much like a broad-spectrum antibiotic, with the ability to kill a wide array of bacterial pathogens, Quebec is in dire need for a universal solution that will quell both sides on this issue. As the city streets become increasingly infected with discontent, towards the government and the students alike, it becomes ever more clear that if a solution is not reached soon, the entire city might just succumb to chaos.

Negotiations and proposals have failed miserably. The city is set to lose millions of dollars over CLASSE's threat to disrupt the Grand Prix in Montreal next weekend, not to mention the threat posed by Anonymous, which is compounded by the already lost millions of dollars since the protests have started, disrupting tourism and commercial activity in the city's downtown core.

The only plausible solution at this point seems to be an election. The only problem is that Jean Charest refuses to call one, most likely because he doesn't want the inquiry into his government's alleged corruption to make front-page news. Opinion polls show the PQ and the Liberals as being deadlocked in support. All of the political parties have tried to use this protest to their gain in some way or another, with the PQ taking the cake, wearing the now iconic red square on their lapels as well as figuring it onto the official masthead of their website. There is a very obvious dichotomy in the voting patterns in Quebec, with Anglophones and Allophones voting largely Liberal while Francophones predominantly vote PQ.

It is no secret that the supporters of the protest movement in Quebec are principally made up of people who are white, Francophone, and sovereigntist. There are of course exceptions to that sweeping generalization, especially amongst those who are out every night banging on their pots and pans protesting Bill 78. But there is no use in denying the overwhelming demographic supporting the strike. One needs only to attend a rally to see the copious Quebec flag waving and chants for independence to really get a taste for one of the many underpinnings of the movement. Jacques Parizeau himself came out from under a political rock, to express his joy at not seeing one Canadian flag in a sea of over 200 000 people during the protest on May 22nd.

In a similar vein, it's kind of entertainingly peculiar how CLASSE did not openly threaten to disrupt Montreal's French language music festival, Les Francopholies, which starts the very same weekend that Grand Prix does.

Charest would be wise to call an election, announce he is not running for re-election, under the guise of a return to normalcy for him and his family, and let this issue resolve itself on the ballot box. The only question now is who to vote for? A grossly incompetent government that has severely mismanaged this crisis or a government that somehow manages to take the worst aspects of the left and the right and mesh them into a political platform. Bloc Pot anyone?

 

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I suppose very few people are surprised by the fact that the negotiations between the Liberal government and the student associations failed. Neither side was willing to compromise in an effective man...
I suppose very few people are surprised by the fact that the negotiations between the Liberal government and the student associations failed. Neither side was willing to compromise in an effective man...
 
 
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02:42 PM on 06/04/2012
great article!! these comments are hilarious. people get so wound up in a title that they forget to read the actual article. well said...the separatists are definitely trying to hijack the movement.
12:18 AM on 06/04/2012
I am a white (what does my color have to do with it?) anglophone born in Quebec, and I am 57. Since Bill 78 I have walked with the students every two or three nights. I would do it every night but my feet can't take it. While I am sure many separatists are present it's about social justice not separation. I have not heard a single separatist slogan.

I will vote for QS in the next election as I did in the last even though I will vote no in the next referendum. From the age of 18 I had always voted Liberal both provincially and federally. Not anymore. I will vote NDP federally. If there were a center left party in Quebec I would vote for them but even the PQ has turned right. As the only party on the left, QS is my only choice.

Politicians have focused on language while slowly dismantling the social justice aspects of the Quiet Revolution. The people did not intend to simply change the language the oligarchs speak. The problem was how English bosses and the wealthy treated workers. I don't think people just wanted to switch them out for equally exploitative French bosses and wealthy people. The Quiet Revolution is not over, it has just been slumbering.
01:52 PM on 06/04/2012
being against Bill 78 and being against the tuition hikes are 2 separate issues that you are confounding.
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08:23 AM on 06/05/2012
No, that is how you see it. I would suspect that the majority opinion is against you on this point.
11:12 PM on 06/03/2012
People are just tired fo this over corrupted liberal government that uses police to try to intimidate social student leaders. Everyone of their attempts makes this movement stronger and more determined than ever. Sorry ROC this has nothing to do with any independentists. It is only a movement that will spread all over this country.
12:18 PM on 06/08/2012
How cold I be wrong about he rising costs of education in north america? Get informed. As for the independentists, that issue was never their concerned. For the corrupted liberal gvmnt.... Well it's all over the papers and there's even an special commission on it.

Who's uninformed now...ha!
10:09 AM on 06/10/2012
Well actually you are wrong, it costs less now than 15 years ago in true dollars in Quebec. you can google it. In any case student in Quebec are privileged in Quebec compared with the rest of Canada tuition-wise. Sorry!
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03:30 PM on 06/03/2012
No separatists are NOT driving Quebec students. The criminal austerity program mentality is driving these fine young people to protest. Got that darling?
05:31 PM on 06/03/2012
Actually the debate has nothing to do with Quebec's independence debate. However I can tell you that the people who are protesting are mostly people who vote for PQ or Quebec Solidaire which are mostly White, French, sovereignists. I am part of these three groups and I can assure you that most of the people who are part of these three groups are also part of the protesters. The author of this article is right, but for the wrong reasons.
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10:33 PM on 06/03/2012
I still say the headline should be "Are you now, or have you ever been a Quebec Sepratist?"
02:43 PM on 06/04/2012
how is she right for the wrong reasons? she made a correct observation, so how is that wrong?
01:53 PM on 06/04/2012
you realize that by calling her darling, you come across as a sexist and it takes away credibility of your comment. I doubt you would call her darling if she were a man, or make some other explicit reference to her sex.
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08:25 AM on 06/05/2012
I agree with you on that.
03:05 PM on 06/03/2012
It appears that I forgot to count some extras comments on certain threads. Apologies.
It doesn't explain my missing comment though.
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laymancanuck
IGNORANCE has used up its quota of TOLERANCE
02:20 PM on 06/03/2012
Political corrupt, separation, discontent. Isn't Quebec charming?
05:41 PM on 06/03/2012
And you call yourself left of centre ? peshaw ! You think there's no corruption in ROC !? lmfao !
Lets just start with the protection that have to be paid to the Toronto Police on every working site of the city, no matter the size, There's always at least 2 officers, paid overtime I'm sure, to just stand there, most of the time doing nothing.
Bay St lobbies are so powerful , you never hear of them. It's all 'gentlemen ' agreements behind the curtains. At least, some Quebecers are standing up and saying enough is enough. They're showing more back bones then most of the ROC.
And for the bad press it gives Québec, well, it's just part of the narrative that the corporate media is shoving down our throats. The Quebec government as been manipulating the conflict with their help since the beginning, for political gain.
It was never clearer then at the news conference just after the last talks broke down. The first question was for a 'scribe' from the media empire that owns Sun News and, oh what a surprise, he asked if it was true that a member of la CLASSE said that they were going to 'organise' the Grand Prix. Go figure. The government pushed them for three days until they got the quote.
Then, they ran away with it, like it was a blank check, to the bank.
06:18 PM on 06/03/2012
...What could happen? let's see. Charest could call an election for the middle of July (common sense revolution rings a bell?), the week following a Grand Prix that was disturbed by some 'casseurs' elements, independent contractors no doubt, hired by shady third parties in cahoot with a government strongly suspected (and rightly so) of corruption.
They've all ready cancelled the free open doors festivities, shutting off Jo Blow from the first day celebration. He'll be happy and a real fan of the movement I'm sure.
So to come back to your Isn't Quebec charming ? I'm listening to news reports of the Eaton Center shooting as I'm writing this, and if I was as obtuse as you, I could say right back at you.
But I lived more then 15 years in Toronto and I would never think that.
Back in Mtl now, still like Ontario, but man, the growth bigotry is sickening.
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01:34 PM on 06/03/2012
Madam, I have been thinking about this for a while and thinking about your writing. You are an elitist and the kind of person who would be very comfortable with the Rosemount/upper canada college crowd. You identify yourself as a Liberal. You are very much the legacy of that crowd. You are not a progressive but an elitist who thinks you know what is best for people. How anyone as young as you are can already be so absorbed by such a dogmatic world view is beyond comprehension, but it is what it is. Stop pretending that your blog posts offer anything new or worthy of consderatoin. We have already had people like you try to influence public opinion. You are a fraud.
03:18 PM on 06/03/2012
I'm a fan artbbcramer. It looks like Ms Dwivedi is very hard at work trying to get noticed by the masters of the universe. No doubt she'll land some cushy job on her way out of university.
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05:53 PM on 06/03/2012
Yep, untill she decides to run for one of the establishment parties, and mark my words, its coming.
10:46 PM on 06/03/2012
My thoughts exactly.
03:23 PM on 06/02/2012
The difference between the Grand Prix and Francofolies is that the Francofolies are an event where a couple of the singers are against the rise, and there's lot of free shows that students can attend... while the Grand PRIX is a symbol of capitalism, luxury, and stupidity. None of the students go there; it's too expensive.
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10:42 AM on 06/03/2012
your comments defy my comprehension of the English language total jibberish!
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10:49 AM on 06/03/2012
The I'll try for you. A cultural event is more important than an economic event. The Grand Prix is not the Olympics, it lacks any social or cultural benefit. As such, it is not morally wrong to stop the Grand Prix but may be morally wrong to stop the Olympics or the Francofolies.
11:49 AM on 06/03/2012
At least I try, my friend!
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okgranny
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01:46 PM on 06/04/2012
Fanned
09:12 AM on 06/02/2012
They (protesters) are definitely mostly separatists and almost ALL french.

They should move to Greece.
09:45 AM on 06/02/2012
Wow. What would the chances be that a Quebec-wide student protest would be almost ALL French? There must be something to that, quick, let's all assume they're separatists to try to taint their credibility and move the focus off their issues:

Tuition hikes and a clear attack on democracy and contempt for the people of Quebec - Bill 78
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12:03 PM on 06/02/2012
Fanned and faved!
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okgranny
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01:46 PM on 06/04/2012
Fanned X2
07:49 PM on 06/02/2012
It would be nice to keep the exchange at an intelligent level. Why do you find the need to come and throll on this site? Stay at the Globe & mail.
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
08:13 PM on 06/01/2012
"Both sides unrelentingly cite overly cited facts and figures." you make it seem like its both gov and protesters being unreasonable... umm if the offer only lowered the tuition amount by 1$ you damn well bet they would be unreasonable, id laugh charest and his lackies out of the room.

then you equate the protesters with terrorists saying "they are holding the city hostage". wow your a brave person you are really standing up for your fellow students and the cheap tuition you jsut enjoyed. hypocryte at its finest. then you use infected as if to imply they are a disease.. wow your legitmacy and integrity was jsut thrown out the window with this article ehh supriya?

one point we do agree on. hold an election and watch the pro-corporate anti future party be crushed. any viable alternative will be voted in with overwhelming support. people are tired of the government and corporate excuse makers and collaborators (two can play the word implication game), and you as a new graduate are the biggest traitor of all. congratulations selling out your dignity, how does it feel?
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09:51 PM on 06/01/2012
Kristopher, fanned and faved! That is the best post I have ever written on here. Sorry to say it though, she can't understand it. She doesn't see herself that way, but as a victim of subversive sepratists, trying to keep her from succeeding.
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Kristopher Leang
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12:00 PM on 06/02/2012
thank u very much sometimes my anger just comes out as a crazed rant, sometimes they have more form..

THis article overall was an insult to any readers intelligence. using words to associate the protesters with terrorism and disease as if we wouldn't notice..

then using the "both sides disagree but each are unwilling as the other to compromise and just different ideological sides". essentially this is what is called US journalism. Don't answer or ask the hard hitting questions. present everything as just one side vs another, one side is not right they are both unreasonable. all is equal and in the end this is just a different.

This style neutralizes any argument and dissident. THis writer makes me feel physically ill. i thought someone who enjoyed cheap tuition (it should be cheap for every canadian in every province) would not be so quick to stab her fellow student in the back. I guess especially in journalism you have to lack morals and character (im not talking about and judeo-christian morals, i mean things like honour, friendship, dignity and respect) to succeed

I am studying and hope to one day get into politics. i only want a middle class wage though, my first action will be lowering every single Mp's salary greatly and returning dignity to our parliament
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AlexEm El
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07:09 PM on 06/01/2012
Though I do agree there might be a nationalistic sentiment mixed in with the current disgust at the province's leadership, I disagree wholeheartedly to the idea that it is the prime reason they are being held. In a historical perspective, nationalistic sentiment truly rose at the time of the Quiet Revolution, which is when the promises of free and accessible education were made. It only makes sense that these may feed off of each other, but does not mean that one leads to the other.`

Furthermore, as an anglophone in Quebec, I feel as if there is no party that will actually benefit the province as a whole. I want to vote for the PQ, but I'm then helping to alienate the Anglophone community farther and drive the province farther into debt. Personally, I feel that Quebec Solidaire is much more welcoming of the Anglophone minority, even if they are, in the end, separatists.
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10:57 PM on 06/02/2012
AlexEm El : « the PQ, .. drive the province farther into debt.»

The last five years of John James Charest governement has doubled the debt.

The last five years of the PQ governement had ZERO deficit.
01:59 PM on 06/04/2012
where does she state that nationalist sentiment is the primary reason they are being held?
06:01 PM on 06/01/2012
"None of it really matters anymore."

The details matter very much. The students have offered to pay the increase over the next two years through reducing the tax credits they get instead of increasing tuition. That would be revenue neutral to the government. There would be no increased cost to taxpayers.

Why won't Charest take "yes" for an answer?
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arkymorgan
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07:36 PM on 06/02/2012
Ah, there's the question,

I suspect that Charest is falling prey to advice that says if he gives in (and takes a student proposal seriously - as if they actually were thinking beings!) he will appear 'weak'.

This is the kind of thinking that comes with the territory of 'politics is a game'. Most elected persons come to this version of politics, sooner or later
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11:00 PM on 06/02/2012
Justice Redefined : «Why won't Charest take "yes" for an answer? »

Because this crisis is the only possible chance he has to get reelected.
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05:54 PM on 06/01/2012
- During the last round of negociation, the students made a proposal that met the government ''parameters'' at no additional cost. The governement walked out on them, for the fourth time now.

- There were no threat from the students to target the Grand Prix more than anything else.

Please get your facts straight instead of conveying the governement propaganda.

Also : - Separation is largely supported in Québec. Except for the Liberals, it gets a large majority. Did anyone ignore that ??
05:41 PM on 06/01/2012
The Occupy Movement in US is 99% white
disrupting Les Francopholies would not cause economic havoc in Quebec as disrupting Grand Prix, not to mention that a villain like Bernie Ecclestone is the man in charge of Grand Prix..
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Skookum1
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05:48 PM on 06/02/2012
"The Occupy Movement in US is 99% white" is an outright LIE.....anyone who's seen footage of Zuccotti Park or Oakland or for that matter Toronto knows that's just not the case. Not in the slightest.
02:00 PM on 06/04/2012
actually, disrupting francopholies would make much more sense, since one can assume that the vast majority of attendees would be voting quebeckers, and not international big shots flying into montreal for F1 wknd.