McGuinty Presses Harper To Abolish Senate

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First Posted: 06/01/11 11:42 AM ET Updated: 08/01/11 06:12 AM ET

(The Canadian Press) -- Ontario has joined Quebec in warning Prime Minister Stephen Harper to abandon plans to reform the Senate, but the province went even further Tuesday by calling on the federal government to scrap the upper chamber.

“Ontario’s position on Senate reform: abolish the Senate,” Premier Dalton McGuinty said via his Twitter feed Tuesday morning.

Harper is expected to move quickly to introduce two separate Senate reform bills — one to impose term limits on senators and the other to allow provinces to elect nominees whom Harper would then appoint to the Senate.

However, McGuinty said he’s spoken with other premiers and believes the best option is to simply get rid of the Senate altogether.

“We think the simplest thing to do is abolish it, and I think, frankly, to reform it in any substantive way is just not possible,” McGuinty said after touring a Chrysler factory in Brampton, Ont. “Based on my discussions with other premiers, based on the formula that’s in place in order to ensure that there is reform, it’s not going to happen.”

Ontario has almost 40 per cent of Canada’s population but less than 25 per cent of seats in the Senate, McGuinty pointed out.

“We have one elected, accountable body that sits in Ottawa for us in the House of Commons,” he said. “I just don’t think we need a second, unelected, unaccountable body.”

On Monday, Quebec Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Pierre Moreau said that the federal government alone cannot reform the Senate, adding it must be done through a constitutional amendment, approved by at least seven provinces.

Harper’s previous attempts to pass the Senate reform bills were thwarted by the opposition parties. However, the Conservatives now have majorities in both the House of Commons and the Senate thanks to the May 2 election and the prime minister’s move to appoint three defeated Tory candidates as Senators.

Ontario’s New Democrats welcomed McGuinty’s call.

“It’s interesting that the McGuinty Liberals are finally saying what New Democrats have been saying for a long time, which is it’s time to abolish the Senate,” said Leader Andrea Horwath. “Let’s face it, the senators are a bunch of Liberals and Conservatives that are sitting around for lots and lots of money and not doing very much and we really do need to get rid of that upper chamber.”

However, the Progressive Conservatives, who lead the public opinion polls with an Ontario election just over four months away, said the reality is Canada has a Senate, and senators should be elected, not appointed.

“The premier’s position is simply a dodge. He wants to avoid the question,” said Opposition Leader Tim Hudak. “The Senate’s not going to be abolished, I don’t see the provinces agreeing to that, so as long as we do have a Senate, I believe that Ontario should directly elect its senators.

Moreau said Quebec was not objecting to modernizing the Senate, but has held the same position that any changes should go through a constitutional amendment for more than 20 years.

In the past, Newfoundland and New Brunswick have also objected to the federal government proceeding unilaterally with Senate reform.

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njdanie
old retired nerd
08:13 PM on 06/01/2011
I'd love to see an elected senate. I'd vote for whoever was in a different party than the Prime Minister so his or her power would at least be slightly less than that of a dictator. I would like to see term limits of about 10 or 15 years with half or a third the senate up for election every 5 years and the possibility of a recall vote every 5 years.
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old enough to hide my own Easter eggs
08:03 PM on 06/01/2011
Abolish the Senate, or, make them relevent. As it is now, it's merely a way to reward supporters by providing a yearly, substantial salary for someone to sit on their hands, vacation out of country, or pick their nose, - you choose.
03:02 PM on 06/01/2011
Abolish it. No more freebies for conservative hacks.
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gevan
big dubya
12:14 PM on 06/01/2011
Boo frikkin hoo. Ontario has less than 25% of the Senate? How about California holding just 2% of the seats in our Senate?
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02:03 PM on 06/01/2011
Did you miss the point that if Premier Dalton McGuinty gets his way, then Ontario will have 0% of the Canadian Senate, because there won’t be a Senate. The Canadian Senate is a holdover from the British Monarchy and a shame. It serves no purpose whatsoever but to give patronage appointments to cronies who tow the party line. It needs to be abolished.

I doubt that having an elected Senate where Harper appoints the Tory he likes, regardless of the election's outcome, is an improvement.
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Katmandu01
04:00 PM on 06/01/2011
That's right and California contains 10% of the US population. There's no comparison. For that matter, the US Senate as it's configured today has been a serious impediment to legislative reforms since it can overide the interests of much more populace urban states. A filibuster majority can be hammered out in the Senate which probably represents only a third of the US population.