Olivia Chow Interview: NDP Leadership, Grief, And Why Jack Layton Withheld Cancer Details

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First Posted: 09/05/11 10:34 PM ET Updated: 11/05/11 06:12 AM ET

Jack Layton’s widow Olivia Chow refuses to disclose the type of cancer that killed her husband, suggesting it would dash the hopes of other cancer patients suffering from the same illness.

In a wide-ranging, often emotional interview with the CBC’s Peter Mansbridge, Chow recounted the NDP leader’s last days, her own private battle with grief, and the reason Layton withheld details of his cancer and his treatment.

“If you have that different type of cancer and here is Jack, after a very short period of time — he died. Would you get discouraged? I might. Right? You know, some people that have his type of cancer may live a long time,” she said.

In her first interview since Layton died Aug. 22, Chow also ruled out a run for the leadership of the New Democratic Party, telling Mansbridge she won’t back any candidates, but believes someone out there can carry the torch for her husband and possibly do a better job.

“I’m sure there’s a leader there that can do the kind of work that (he did) – maybe even better. It’s very possible,” she said in the interview that aired Monday night.

Chow insisted that Layton’s second cancer, a different type from the prostate cancer for which he underwent treatment, was unknown at the time of the election campaign this spring.

“No. We were – he was fine. You saw him,” Chow tells Mansbridge, who asked if there was any talk or fear about his health during the campaign.

Chow said only at the end of the Parliamentary session did Layton start experiencing pain in his right leg — the leg opposite to where he’d had hip surgery in March.

“It was just the last few days that he started getting – that pain was intensifying. At first he thought it was his leg that was injured…you know sometimes, one leg is injured, and the other leg starts hurting? We thought that was it… But that wasn’t the case. And then we did tests and more tests and more tests, and…” Chow recounted.

The MP for Trinity-Spadina said it took a while to find out what Layton had but even after the diagnosis and the beginning of his treatment, the couple remained hopeful.

“We didn’t know. We didn’t know how. We just knew the last few days that (death) was coming,” she said.

Even at the end of July, when a very ill Layton told Canadians he was stepping down from his leadership post to concentrate on his treatment, Chow insisted her husband thought he could beat his new cancer.

“He was full of hope,” she said.

But in the last week before his death, Chow noted, Layton knew he was going to die.

He was ready, she said.

“I told him that things are in order. He wrote something to say that he has no fear because he knows that he can trust me. That his soul is his spirit. That when he passes on in his next journey that I will be with him. That was really touching. He wrote it on his iPad a week before,” she recounted.

He was quite sick in the days preceding his death but his last hours, as he was taking his last breaths, were peaceful, she said.

“In those final hours, I knew he was in trouble,” Chow said, so she phoned his friends and family who spent the day with him. Late that night, after they had left, she called them again.

“They all came back. We were able to say goodbye. And I realized how blessed we are,” she said. “It was very difficult but he had no fear. He had no fear. He was ready, so I thought, okay. So we all held him,” Chow said, weeping.

Chow said she is now “managing.”

“The first day or two was really difficult. I spent most of Monday crying. It was hard. And coping. I go swimming quite a bit,” she said. “Swimming has the advantage of — you can cry and people won’t see you. Swimming is something that he and I did a lot together. So I thought, okay, let’s get back in the water. And that was — that was helpful,” she said.

People noted during Layton’s lying-in-state that Chow acted at times more like the comforter than the person who needed comforting.

She told Mansbridge she grieves privately. She said she made the bed four or five times one morning to get things under control but she felt the strength to share Layton and comfort people who hadn't known him as well.

“I felt that it’s important to comfort them, to tell them the spirit lives on. If we keep that inside us, that goodness, then it’s part of us,” she said.

Chow said she was thankful for Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s offer of a state funeral and she dismissed criticism that the event was too political.

“Jack lived his life in a political life. That’s who he is. You can’t not talk about his values. His values as a New Democrat, the values of equality, of generosity. It will be not true to him if we take that part out,” she said.

The funeral, she added, had been sketched out in broad strokes by Layton and she felt the end product had done him justice.

Chow said she’ll dismiss any efforts to draft her into the leadership race and she doesn’t think Layton’s son, Michael Layton, a Toronto city councillor, is ready to follow in his father’s footsteps just yet.

“Mike has big shoes to fill and too much pressure is not good. So I don’t think (so) – he’s happy being at city hall, being a city councillor and I’m happy being a member of Parliament and continue the work that Jack has done.”

Chow said she’s been immensely touched by the public’s outpouring of affection for Layton.

“I’m so thankful for their outpouring because it’s like a big blanket that helps me cope and my family and all the friends because all the outpouring made it quite a bit easier to continue,” she said.

Her husband, Chow said, touched Canadians by making them believe that there is a “goodness inside us” and people don’t need to be cynical, they can be loving.

She was especially touched, Chow said, by the notes from children telling Layton “thank you for making us believe” and “making the world a better place.”

“'Thank you for inspiring us to vote. I will keep hope alive. All of those messages,' I felt tremendously encouraged that, yeah, that’s what public service is supposed to do, to lift people up and make them feel that they can do something for each other,” she said.

Below: Olivia Chow speaks to the CBC's Peter Mansbridge in Toronto (CBC)





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05:36 PM on 09/06/2011
Wouldn´t those patients who are suffering with the same type of cancer of Layton´s, be consoled they are not alone? I think most cancer patients want to know the closest possible truth of their condition, and their probablity of survivablity, so they can make the most accurate decisons as to their treatment and how much time they have left.
04:40 PM on 09/06/2011
I still can't believe he's dead... I feel so sorry for her and hope she is ok.
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02:16 PM on 09/06/2011
A dignified interview, free from partisan sniping. Glad she chose the high road.
thediamond0000
as above, so below.
05:46 PM on 09/06/2011
Is anyone shocked she did that? Of course not.

I hope she is ok.
evecaren
Every cloud has a silver lining
02:07 PM on 09/06/2011
Why is it so important that the public find out what kind of cancer Jack ultimately died of.
Any kind of cancer is a nightmare not only for the person who has been diagnosed with
cancer, but for their family and friends. Some people have speculated that Jack Layton knew
about the second cancer before he went into the election. I don't think so. I think Jack found
out about the second cancer after the election and maybe the stress of the election brought
on the second cancer. Perhaps Jack didn't reveal the nature of the second cancer because
he wanted to keep it private and that was his perogative. I know people that have been
diagnosed with cancer and survived and the most important thing I think is to remain
positive, hopeful and strong of spirit. Jack was taken away far too early and there will
never be a man like Jack so full of life , strong of spirit and committed to making a difference
in politics. Jack was also extremely courageous, truly cared about and respected.
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01:44 PM on 09/06/2011
Her explanation makes no sense at all. The fact that cancer kills is no secret to anyone. One has to wonder whether there was a cover up about how serious his prostrate cancer really was. For context I have lost both a brother and a sister to cancer.
05:45 PM on 09/06/2011
how about this explaination.....it's the patient and only the who get's to disclose their personal medical info. if they don't want to that's their right.

and being in the public eye doesn't remove that right.
BritishColumbian
American/Canadian liberal
08:49 PM on 09/06/2011
Totally agree!
12:50 PM on 09/06/2011
I agree with those who feel that this is a well meaning but misguided effort, if not a tad condescending, to protect people from themselves. Now instead of just one cancer group worrying about their cancer, all the groups with treatable cancer will be wondering about it. Knowledge and openness is always a good thing and this decision seems so un-Layton like.

That being said Jack's family are dealing with enough just now and we should accept their decison without too much debate. I wish them well.
12:42 PM on 09/06/2011
Olivia Chow showed amazing strength in her time of grief ... and in her interview w/Peter Mansbridge.

Why people should make a big thing about "not naming" the cancer Jack died from, is beyond me ...how willl naming it make a difference to those sufferng from the same cancer? will it go away? will it make those suffering from it get some solace - now that Jack has in fact succumbed to it? Or will that make them more despondent knowing their chances are not that great?

Some readers are making this a "political" issue ... all I can say is - how crass and small minded.
05:49 PM on 09/06/2011
it doesn't matter the reason...I think it's just prying to complaining that there's something sinister about not wanting to "name the cancer"

the patient get's to decide....not the media and not posters looking for something to criticise.

what's important not the cancer's name...but that Mr. Layton isn't with his family or our nation any longer and that's a sad thing.
12:16 PM on 09/06/2011
It will be good that the nature of his cancer is disclosed. People are making all kinds of crazy guesses including that he had AIDS. It is all the more important that it is not kept secret.
05:50 PM on 09/06/2011
people who want to believe the worst believe it regardless of what anyone else says...
10:16 AM on 09/06/2011
Layton lost a teaching moment. What did he have something similar to the plague? That is the impression one is left with. Some of the most distorted logic I have ever heard, and from social democrats that pride themselves on transparency. The Soviet Politiburo used to employ similar tactics to hide the severity of their leaders' illnesses, as if they were super human. North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela still do.

When it comes out eventually, it will only make the decision worse not to opt for full disclosure, and particularly for those afflicted by that type of cancer. I thought we were past that? Why do politicians, of whatever stripe, feel the public can't handle the truth or bad news? Makes you wonder what else they try to conceal for our benefit, and to save themselves any personal embarrassment?
10:46 AM on 09/06/2011
everyone has the right to confidentiality...period. Doctors, nurses and health care professionals can loose their jobs for jawing about patients' conditions...because it's held that only the patient has the right to tell people about their conditions if they so choose.

it's none of our beewax...
12:25 PM on 09/06/2011
The reason the Soviet Politburo never disclosed the reason why one of their politicians died, was because they did not die from "natural" causes.
09:32 AM on 09/06/2011
Instead of possibly providing hope, the secrecy surrounding his cancer actually has the opposite effect.Now every cancer sufferer may think that they have the same ailment as Jack had and are doomed. Bad judgement by Jack and his handlers, in my opinion. Better to know if he had an incurable, quickly destructive cancer or one that an early detection could give a high cure rate to.
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a mind is a terrible thing to waste
10:39 AM on 09/06/2011
It's a bit tacky to second guess their decision. hope is so important when you have cancer and they don't want to dash anyone's hope
07:03 AM on 09/06/2011
I am sorry.
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11:41 PM on 09/05/2011
I have a hard time believing they didn't know about the second cancer going into the elections. He died too fast and his whole family seems far to prepared/composed.
02:42 AM on 09/06/2011
Many types of cancer hit very quickly.
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03:50 AM on 09/06/2011
A co-worker's husband died within 2 months of the first symptoms of his brain cancer.
11:24 PM on 09/05/2011
Reading this brought tears to my eyes, again. Brought back memories of when my dad died of cancer and his last week/evening. My heart goes out to her and her children and grandchildren. My hope is we somehow find a way to beat this dreadful disease so others will never know the grief of losing someone too young to cancer. My dad was only 58 when he died.
10:34 PM on 09/05/2011
Leave her alone.