Canada Video Game Industry: Argument Over Merits Of Subsidies Heats Up (POLL)

Video Game Subsidies Canada

The Huffington Post Canada   First Posted: 09/15/11 02:39 PM ET Updated: 09/15/11 02:47 PM ET

Should video game makers be subsidized?

That’s the question at the heart of a debate that exploded in Canada’s gamer community this week after a Maclean’s column asserted that the hundreds of millions of dollars provincial governments have ponied up to bring video game makers to Canada is a waste of money.

The assertion has angered gamers and developers alike, with many taking to Twitter to denounce Jesse Brown’s Maclean’s column. But beyond the personal repartees lies a heated debate about the role of government in the development of private industries.

In a column entitled “Grand theft tax break,” published on Tuesday, Brown asserted that the race between provinces to attract video game companies is a waste of money because the industry is highly profitable and the jobs being created will eventually be sent overseas.

“When developing workforces in, say, Bangalore train enough skilled code-monkeys to undercut local coders, the jobs will quickly migrate to India, leaving little of the creative economy behind,” Brown wrote.

Brown also attacked the “dodgy notion that video game jobs are somehow more valuable than other jobs, and that video game technology is somehow a crucial area that [the U.S. and Canada] should lead.”

He added that this amounted to “magical thinking that has convinced American legislators they are in desperate need of unshaven game devs in funny Internet t-shirts" and "also mesmerized our own Canadian policy makers.”

Within hours, Brown’s comments raised a torrent of objections from video game makers and fans alike.

Nathan Vella, co-founder of Toronto’s Capy Games, took to Twitter to denounce Brown.

Oh hey, @jessebrown is on twitter. Mr. Brown, your Macleans article insults my co-workers and shits on Canadian devs unfairly. For shame.less than a minute ago via TweetDeck Favorite Retweet Reply

Others set their sights on debunking Brown’s arguments. On his blog, Peter Nowak, an occasional Huffington Post Canada contributor, argued that the return on the government’s investment in the industry is more than worth it.

According to a recent study compiled by SECOR for the Entertainment Software Association of Canada – to which I contributed some input – the games industry here employs 16,000 people and will generate $1.7 billion in economic activity this year. That’s not revenue, it’s the amount of dough it contributes to the national economy. At that rate of return, the hundreds of millions the provinces have doled out in subsidies will be repaid in short order, if they haven’t been already.

Moreover, the Canadian industry is growing quickly and is expected to expand 17% over the next two years. That means even more employees and more contribution back to the economy.

Nowak went on to argue that subsidizing the video game industry can have a positive social impact, suggesting that video game companies can lead the way in rejuvenating struggling urban neighbourhoods.

In Montreal, this has meant the revitalization of Mile End, a part of town that was quite sketchy prior to Ubisoft’s arrival in 1997. The same happened to Yaletown in Vancouver. It’s already happening in Toronto; one of the first things I noticed when I attended Ubisoft’s studio opening in the Junction area last year were the high-end condos going up right across the street.

Nowak and others also objected to the argument that the “code monkeys” who program the games will soon be replaced by workers in the developing world. Writing at the Torontoist, Jamie Woo argued that subsidies can just as easily create new businesses.

Often dubbed the acorn model, in Vancouver, the presence of companies like Electronic Arts actually bolstered independent Canadian game studios by building a culture that was hospitable for game development, leading to EA employees splintering off to create their own studios, such as United Front Games. Similarly, the award-winning Klei was started by a developer who worked at foreign studio THQ in Vancouver.

Writing at Village Gamer, blogger Tami takes issue with Brown’s characterization of the video game business.

If that article had been about an ethnic group or any type of visible minority, it never would have been published containing the insults and general slurs it does. It is one thing to be angry about something the industry receives, it is another to wipe a wide brush of insult across those who work in the industry.

All the negativity prompted Brown to qualify his comments a little. In the midst of a heated Twitter exchange, he declared, “I like and respect devs and think they deserve their own [Canadian] industry. … Subsidized gigs for foreign firms make that hard.”

And John Michael McGrath at OpenFile adds another point worth considering:

[I]t's not like subsidizing culture is new in this country. The province and city trip all over themselves to variously fund movies, television, and music—so why should videogames be any different?

Quick Poll

Should video game companies receive government subsidies?

Yes. They contribute more to the economy than they get in subsidies and they often help struggling neighbourhoods revitalize.

No. There are much more important things on which to spend taxpayers' money.

Not sure.

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10:35 AM on 09/16/2011
You have got to be kidding. When will you people understand it is not "government money"? It is your money. Taxpayers money. There are so many other ways our money can be invested to provide jobs and an improved lifestyle for everyone. Clean, safe, affordable energy; affordable safe housing; health care that focuses on healthy and low cost exercise and pasttimes; food safety legislation that doesn't allow food manufacturers to make and sell food that makes us ill (salt, triple syrup, food that isn't what it appears to be); clean, safe and affordable mass transportation and so much more....
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Paul Stacey
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03:28 AM on 09/16/2011
Quite simple; governments should be keeping track of how much these investments are making them, and be prepared to drop their clients the moment the ratios are unsatisfactory. Just like in the resource industries, though, the provinces need to get together and quit cutting each other's throats over rates and royalties.
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BUTCHER99
11:26 PM on 09/15/2011
BC had a great software community until Ontario started giving better tax deductions suddenly the software industry dried up in BC but it is doing great in Ontario. So BC now is at the point where if they want to keep or get these companies back they need to offer better breaks. Then Ontario ups the tax breaks again. Eventually as the article says, it will become cheaper to get the coding done in India (a lot of it is already moving there) and they will all go away. Just as the article says.
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LeftyNeoCon
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09:00 PM on 09/15/2011
The thing we should really be worried about are the ballooning budgets these games are being driven by not to mention increasingly frequent in game advertising.
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08:23 PM on 09/15/2011
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It's about jobs and investing in a market that will just be growing over the years to come. I get the idealists wanting investment in clean energy but those investment­s aren't nearly as proven to create a quick return as the game industry. If the idea of wasted government money and ROI are the priority here then games trump green energy or stem cell research for that matter.

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Ok, I'm for boosting the economy.

But how do we, the consumer, get the best quality with-out out side completion? The Russians make some really good gaming software where north American markets keep them from competing with legislation.

And People wonder why pirating is so prevalent here.
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pleblian
One smart as meɪtər futūtor
06:39 PM on 09/15/2011
Against subsidy

Now I've only been back in Canada for three years after living in the US most of my adult life, so forgive some of my ignorance.

Can someone please explain to me what the difference is between a crown corporation and a company that is being subsidized? I'll talked to politicians who can't answer this question.
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notatowniegirl
06:51 PM on 09/15/2011
I know that in my province, the government offers wage subsidies and tax breaks to private companies that hire a certain number of locals. A crown corporation is a publicly owned company, the government makes the profits and assumes the risks.
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pleblian
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07:31 PM on 09/15/2011
Yep

It's the same here in BC with the insurance company ICBC. I can't get a drivers license with out involving them.

But they make a huge profit and always have. So how is that a risk? And what ever happened to competition? ICBC can write their own premiums with-out having to give us a competitive price.

It's no wonder Canadians complain about high prices.
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07:32 PM on 09/15/2011
Correct, but doesn't the Queen get 2% ownership of that corporation? I believe she does.
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Kristopher Leang
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06:01 PM on 09/15/2011
The Us has been subsidizing big business as a strategy to get ahead while telling the others to open thier markets
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jules23
05:40 PM on 09/15/2011
Our entire film industry is based on tax breaks, why should the video games be any different?
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Jay from Ottawa
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05:36 PM on 09/15/2011
The only private enterprises government should subsidize should be : healthy foods, residential electricity, residential water and low-profit margin renewable energy like wind and solar.

All other private enterprises can go pound sand.
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07:41 PM on 09/15/2011
If Canadians only knew what all the business in Canada is receiving in subsidies, then we all be pounding sand.
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Jay from Ottawa
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08:37 PM on 09/15/2011
urgh, I know :S

How a country with overwhelming debt can continue to subsidize everything is beyound me. Don't get me wrong, I'm a harper hater, but I was at least hoping the guy would actually show me some of that 'fiscal conservatism' ... instead they're just a bunch of liberals show directed more of the wastefully spending towards business instead of people. If we're going to waste money hand over first, at least let it go to people, not profitable businesses.
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05:15 PM on 09/15/2011
why is there a PS1 controller in the headline? Is this 1995?
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04:38 PM on 09/15/2011
For a guy who never misses a chance to extoll the virtues of global trade, low corporate taxes and the free market, Harper sure does love that (corporate) welfare. It's one thing to incubate through low interest loans but at some point you have to throw the baby out of the nest and make it fly on its own.
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jamster88
05:03 PM on 09/15/2011
Once again, the communists fail to grasp reality.

The subsidy is an INVESTMENT. Not a HANDOUT. The critical mass is created facilitating the creation of a massive number of jobs and a new economy.

ALL great industries in the world were subsidized in one way or another to get them going.
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Jay from Ottawa
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05:38 PM on 09/15/2011
"ALL great industries in the world were subsidized in one way or another to get them going."

What ever happened to capitalism ?
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pleblian
One smart as meɪtər futūtor
06:47 PM on 09/15/2011
I agree with you over all...

...But for me, it's a matter of priority. Shouldn't we be dumping more money in to healthcare? That's the best investment we all get a share in.
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GeoToronto
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04:28 PM on 09/15/2011
The TV and film industry gets subsidies, why not video games.
I'm sure there are hundreds if not thousands of parents who've liberated their basements because of these subsides.
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jamster88
05:06 PM on 09/15/2011
A 'subsidy' is great so long as it actually helps do develop the industry and the industry is not dependent on them.
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Jay from Ottawa
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05:52 PM on 09/15/2011
Great, so lets choose a new industry, say, renewable clean energy (a relatively new industry which is critical to our future and will create oodles of jobs), and give them a subsidy so they can compete with dirty energy. Does that make more sense ?
11:24 AM on 09/16/2011
If our governments are going to subsidize private companies, they need to do a better job using best business practices to evaluate the benefits of same - for example, tens of millions of tax payer dollars went to Alliance Atlantis over several decades in the name of creating Canadian jobs in a film and television industry . . . . the results? A large portion of that investment value got exported when Goldman Sachs bought a major interest in the company . . . does that make sense for Canada? As a taxpayer, I'm not interested in subsidizing Canadian start-ups so they can be sold to foreign companies.
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Nik Nak Paddy Wak, Still Ridin' Caddy-Laks
11:42 AM on 09/16/2011
I agree wholeheartedly with your post, I've always wondered why governments don't get some kind/sort of equity position in exchange for subsidizes. So that when the business gets sold, the govt can get some of their $ back.
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Warren Yuill
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04:08 PM on 09/15/2011
They do the same for Hollywood. Games are bigger.
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relentless63
03:58 PM on 09/15/2011
Our tax dollars should not be used to maximize already profitable enterprises and that certainly includes the oil and gas industries. This propaganda that these grants will lead to jobs is true for only as long as they can't find more profitable residences elsewhere. Fix our infrastructure. It's a falling down mess. That'll give lots of Canadians jobs.
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jamster88
05:04 PM on 09/15/2011
You simply don't understand.

Our tax dollars are there to create jobs and create economies.

Do you grasp the difference between and investment and a handout.

Many industries need subsidies to get off the ground - and they are GOOD INVESTMENTS THAT MAKE MONEY FOR EVERYONE.
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Jay from Ottawa
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05:51 PM on 09/15/2011
Horsedung, our tax dollars are there to meet the needs of society, like, as the original poster posted, INFRASTRUCTURE, or more importantly (to create employable people) EDUCATION.

The only tax dollars 'invested' in businesses ought to be nationalized businesses, you know, the kind you invest money into and then return profits to federal or provincial coffers ?

Industries don't need government subsidies, that's what capitalism and/or commercial/business loans are for !

If we want to subsidize an already profitable business, then we should have full expectation that they'll pay it all back in the future, with interest.

The only reason we subsidize Albertas oilsand is because the refining process on it is so extensive and expensive and it wouldn't be buyable without a subsidy and we really want to sell the stuff to the USA.
03:53 PM on 09/15/2011
Something seems really weird about the argument that the Maclean's columnist is making. Which people is he referring to " code monkeys " exactly? And how does he think one can run a really successful studio by shunting off a lot of jobs to another continent? Video games are not assembly line products, after all; they are primarily creative endeavours. How many of game designers, you know, the people who make games good, are going to be in a hurry to pick up and move to India to do their jobs? And I do not think most developers are in a position where they would want the additional hassles of having to set up more locations just for coding. Video games are legendarily bad for bugs, and that is only going to get worse if you split up your team and create additional language barriers.

There was of course be valid reasons not to subsidize video games based on the nature of the product or the expected benefits, but a fear of offshoring is for the time being far down the totem pole I think. Can anyone even name a single well-known game made in India, after all?
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jamster88
05:05 PM on 09/15/2011
The author has no concept of what it means to make a video game.

VIDEO GAMES WILL BE MADE BY INDIANS WHEN MOVIE ACTORS ARE REPLACED BY INDIANS AS WELL, i.e. NEVER.