Long-Gun Registry: Tories To Move On Long-Anticipated Plan To Scrap The Program

Canada Long Gun Registry

First Posted: 10/19/11 12:47 PM ET Updated: 10/24/11 05:57 AM ET

The Conservative government is finally scrapping the long-gun registry.

The Tories intend to introduce a bill to abolish the controversial program by the end of the week, The Huffington Post has learned.

The bill, entitled "An Act to amend the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act," is guaranteed to pass the Commons with the help of the Tories' healthy majority.

"It's a committment the government has held for several platforms now, for several elections we campaigned on it, it is something we said we would do, and we are going to be doing it," Andrew MacDougall, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Press Secretary told HuffPost.

While successive Conservative ministers have claimed the registry harasses law-abiding farmers and outdoorsmen and wastes billions of taxpayer dollars, groups such as the Coalition for Gun Control, the CAW, the Canadian Chiefs of Police and the Canadian Police Association all support the continued use of the long-gun registry.

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Law enforcement groups say the registry provides police with a "valuable tool" that is used extensively in their operations.

The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police say the registry contributes to community and police officer safety and provides preventative and investigative value. The association also said they believe the registry is "very cost-effective," but pledged, in a press release Wednesday, to work with the government to mitigate the results of repealing the registry.

"We must respect the will of Parliament and recognize the mandate given to the Government. Our focus will now move forward in offering suggestions to help mitigate the impact of the anticipated repeal of the long-gun registry,"Chief Dale McFee, CACP's president is quoted as saying in the release. "This one issue, however, should not overshadow the fact that our relationship with the Government is extremely positive and we are very supportive on a wide-range of Justice and Public Safety initiatives."

The Canadian Federation of University Women (CFUW) urged parliamentarians last month to keep the registry, arguing most firearms-related deaths in Canada are caused by rifles and shotguns and that the guns are most often used in domestic violence.

"The evidence is overwhelming. Gun control and the long gun registry in particular, are effective measures for promoting public safety and preventing violence against women. There is no evidence to suggest that weakening gun control will make women safer," Brenda Wallace, CFUW's national president said in a press release.

The Tories had previously tried to get rid of the registry through a private member's bill by Manitoba Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner in 2009.

Votes on private member's bills are usually 'free,' meaning Members of Parliament are free to vote against their party's official position. Because of this, Hoepner's bill received some support from opposition MPs.

But when the time came for the crucial vote to eliminate the plan, the NDP and Liberals forced their MPs to vote along party lines and the bill was defeated.

The Liberals established the registry following the 1989 killing of 14 women at Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique.


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CORRECTION: An early version of this story gave 1984 as the date of the Ecole Polytechnique massacre. The shootings took place in 1989. This story has been updated.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
03:36 PM on 10/24/2011
The liberals enacted it because it was bad policy, they wouldn't have gotten the uproar if it had made sense and been good policy.

http://www.lowe.ca/Rick/FirearmsLegislation/AGangThatCouldn'tShootStraight.html
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05:42 PM on 10/21/2011
A person is more likely to get stabbed to death in Canada.

Does that mean our government have a "knife registry"

Statistics Canada at www.statcan.gc.ca

In 2009 there were 610 homicides by method.

Stabbing 210

Shooting 179

Beatings 116

Stangulations 43

Fire 12

Poison & vehicles etc 28

Not known 22
01:15 PM on 10/20/2011
Anti-gun types blame millions of hunters and sport shooters for crime and domestic violence, claim the statistics are on their side and not ours, yet offer NO PROOF. They simply SAY that is the way it is and it gets published as if it is God's own truth.

""The evidence is overwhelming. Gun control and the long gun registry in particular, are effective measures for promoting public safety and preventing violence against women."

What evidence?? There have been studies done and they all show NO link between domestic violence let alone homicides and Canada's gun control policies. PROOF: http://www.globalmontreal.com/gun+control+homicide+rates+not+linked+study/6442496940/story.html

"There is no evidence to suggest that weakening gun control will make women safer"
WE DO NOT need to show THIS!! What we HAVE shown is that increasing gun control has NO effect on making women safer. If gun control does nothing but harass and treat citizens like criminals that are NOT criminals AND it has no positive effects whatsoever, including on domestic violence and homicide, why have it? Why spend billions on it?

This "gun control" you speak of is not gun control- it dose not control guns, it does not control crime, it does not prevent homicide, it does not stop domestic violence, all it does is deny good Canadian citizens fundamental freedoms and rights treating them worse than criminals. PROOF: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Denying+abiding+citizens+their+rights/5559561/story.html
11:15 AM on 10/20/2011
Stats Canada (see url below) show that more homicides are committed by knives than by firearms and that most of the homicides by firearms are by illegal handguns.
So how is the registration of legal long-guns by citizens who have been vetted by Police and who possess valid FAC licenses going to prevent homicides in Canada?

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2008002/article/10518-eng.htm
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Jerry Bourbon
04:45 PM on 10/20/2011
It makes people of a certain political persuasion feel VERY VERY GOOD about themselves. Isn't that important enough to spend $2B on?
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gwinegarden
She's an Arctic Wolf
10:44 AM on 10/20/2011
Why should I care if I have to register my guns?

This is, strictly, a mater of pandering to those who vote Conservative.
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Jerry Bourbon
10:48 AM on 10/20/2011
Why should you care if the long gun registry is a $2 Billion waste of money?
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gwinegarden
She's an Arctic Wolf
11:20 AM on 10/20/2011
Only in the eyes of those, like you.
01:18 PM on 10/20/2011
If you register them you wont have them for long......

after they know you have them they will systematically make them illegal bit by bit asking for you to hand them over
08:06 PM on 10/20/2011
BS, favorite RW talking point.
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gwinegarden
She's an Arctic Wolf
12:28 PM on 10/21/2011
Crap!
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Jerry Bourbon
10:41 AM on 10/20/2011
Good for Canada! Freedom takes a small step forward north of the border.

Now, if the Canadians would just learn to respect freedom of speech, Canada might graduate to the ranks of civilized countries.
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gwinegarden
She's an Arctic Wolf
10:45 AM on 10/20/2011
Canadians have enough freedom of speech to tell you to p|ss off.
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Jerry Bourbon
10:47 AM on 10/20/2011
Just don't dare criticise my religion or sexual orientation...
12:44 PM on 10/20/2011
I'm Canadian, telling you to piss off.

What is the point of you censoring yourself anyway? All it does is put the word in the mind of the reader as you try to wipe yourself clean of the responsibility for what you say.
10:07 AM on 10/20/2011
The long gun registry was a typical liberal feel-good program, implemented after the Montreal massacre to make people believe that they (the Liberals) were doing something to prevent such tragedies in the future.
But like many liberal feel-good programs, it fails to accomplish anything, costs a lot of money and infringes upon the rights of law abiding citizens.
08:07 PM on 10/20/2011
I suppose you feel the same about the Cons omnibus Crime Bill.
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09:00 AM on 10/20/2011
From the press release issued by the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police:

"Our view has, and continues to be, that the long-gun registry: contributes to community and police officer safety and provides preventative and investigative value to law enforcement and the communities in which we serve; operates in a very cost-effective and efficient manner; promotes responsibility and accountability by firearm owners; and provides a reasonable balance between the exercise of an individual privilege and the broader right of the society to be safe."
10:01 AM on 10/20/2011
Jeebus, just how dumb are the Chiefs of Police.
Don't they know that to own a firearm you have to have a valid Acquisition and Possession License? Just have your officers check to see if a member of the household has one.
If so, assume that there may be firearms on the premises...
aintnoliberalnow
Old,cranky and retired
11:34 AM on 10/20/2011
Before you quote them, you might like to take a look at the percentage of members who disagreed with that statement and went public over it. There was far from unanimity in that group and there is still a large percentage who distance themselves from their executive's position. Apart from that, what else would you expect from a very right wing organization who more and more every year come "under the gun" for their blatant disregard of civil rights and support of government "control". Want to talk about the RCMP in B C? How about Toronto Police during the G 20. I am not anti police and try to support them when I can and I have close family members who are police but the "Blue Wall" mentality makes them just a little bit biased in their statements.
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08:57 AM on 10/20/2011
From the RCMP report showing the need for the Long-gun registry as an integral part of a gun safety programme.

"The Canadian Firearms Registry On-line (CFRO) is a subset of the Canadian Firearms Information System (CFIS). The system is available to Canadian police agencies via the Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC) system to assist them when responding to calls and conducting investigations. As a searchable application, police officers may query the name, address and firearms licence number of an individual, or firearm-related information such as the serial number or registration certificate number of a firearm. CFRO provides police with real-time access to the information they require in their investigative and operational activities."

Average DAILY Number of requests made to the Long-gun registry by police:

Type
Individual Name.....1 2,279
Address...................3,800
Serial#........................365
Licence#.....................224
Certificate#...................14
Telephone#...................37
Other............................83
Total........................16,720
* Up to June 30, 2011
09:56 AM on 10/20/2011
Why wouldn't the RCMP or Police just check to see if a member of the household has a valid Acquisition and Possession permit? You can't buy a firearm without it in Canada?
Wouldn't that be as valid as checking the long-gun registry??
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gwinegarden
She's an Arctic Wolf
10:47 AM on 10/20/2011
Not if you are investigating a crime where a specific weapon was used.
01:21 PM on 10/20/2011
LOL....quoting the RCMP. They are little more than a political lobby group now my friend. You may as well be quoting the Coalition for Gun Control.
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Add In Canadia
Egotism is a weakness
12:20 AM on 10/20/2011
For the people confused at the ineffectiveness of the gun registry and why it should be abolished (and why it shouldn't have been implemented in the first place)

First off, you need a license to buy, own, and discharge firearms; you know, the thing that prevents crazy people from getting their hands on a firearm. This was already in place, and is pretty effective in preventing crime.

So what is the point of registering the gun? There isn't any, and it's not too hard to prove. Take two other things we register: Dogs and cars. Now if you lose either of these possessions they can be found and given back to you, because you are the registered owner. That is the only thing the gun registry would have been good for: Returning stolen guns.

Still not convinced? Let us continue. Say your car gets stolen and someone runs over and kills a pedestrian. Did your act of registering the car prevent it's theft? No. Did your act of registering the car prevent the death of the pedestrian? No. Replace the word 'car' with 'gun' and ta-da! That's how effective the registry was in preventing death. Would it aided in solving a crime? No, because a third party stole the car, the registered owner of the car had nothing to do with the accident that claimed the life of the pedestrian. Same deal with a dog, registering it does not prevent a dog from mauling another dog or person.
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anugs
08:47 AM on 10/20/2011
Best explanation I've heard yet. I totally agree. This was a useless process and a cash cow. Now give me my money back.
09:52 PM on 10/19/2011
If this registry had solved a single crime, I would consider it. However, IT DID NOT. Not a single time. For the billions dollars wasted, we could fund anti-suicidal programs, shelters for abused kids and spouses or fund medical research and actually make a difference.

With registry in place we have illegal gun violence on the rise, while police abuse hunters and target shooters. We also have no change in overall suicide rates. Just go to stats Canada.

Want effective gun control, forget self-interested groups like Coalition for Gun Control. They just want to make money while promoting their "cause" and dancing on the graves of victims. Go to gun owners and give them the task. They are people like us who hate criminals, so they can do a balanced law that would respect them, but deter crime.
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Add In Canadia
Egotism is a weakness
12:06 AM on 10/20/2011
For get about solving a single crime, it never prevented any crimes to start with.

All that money wasted, if it was funneled towards more background checks, firearm licenses, and hunting down of firearms being imported illegally from the states we would have been a lot safer and productive than a register that couldn't prevent or solve crimes.
09:21 AM on 10/22/2011
Best thing to do is allow Concealed Carry Permits in Canada and remove restrictions on all pistols and handguns
09:17 PM on 10/19/2011
It's about time.

The long-gun registry has not made Canada safer. Its cost has been scandalous. It's ineffective, it's a bad law, it encourages non-compliance.

Canada has required registration of handguns since 1935. Since that time, the most dangerous guns (automatics, sawed-off rifles and shotguns) have been banned outright. The rules governing storage and use of guns are detailed and highly restrictive. All purchasers of guns or ammunition must have a valid Possession and Acquisition license, which can be denied if the applicant has a record of anti-social behavior, spousal abuse or violent crime.

Law-abiding gun owners were effectively regulated by the gun laws as they stood when the long-gun registry was created. The registry has had absolutely no effect on illegal guns. Anyone who thinks the street gangs, drug dealers and bikers active in Vancouver, Winnipeg and Toronto dutifully register their weapons with police have rocks in their heads.

These strict rules
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sunnyokanagan
Here is where I would put my clever micro-bio
08:35 PM on 10/19/2011
Public safety always takes second place to neo-con ideology. Facts be dam-ned.
10:25 PM on 10/19/2011
Funny that you bring ideology... because it's ideology that got us into this mess.

$2 billion down the drain and nothing to show for...

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Had this money been invested in social programs that help kids get away from drugs and gangs, we would certainly have saved a few lives and make our cities safer.

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But Hey! Fact be dam-ned.
02:44 AM on 10/20/2011
How on earth does the long gun registry have anything to do with neo-conservative ideology?
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11:17 AM on 10/20/2011
"I kinda like my guns and Bible," Cain said to applause to the audience. "I ain't going to give them up."

mantra of the (Republican) neo-cons - my karma beats your dogma with a stick...
07:15 PM on 10/19/2011
The Long Gun Registry has never been objectionable on its own. It is the abuse of the registry on the part of the government and the police that offends honest Canadians: the harassment of law-abiding citizens and the seizure of firearms over the mere allegation that the firearms owner has broken the law. Seizure of firearms is the start of a nightmare of recovery of private property by a lone citizen and is often totally unjustified. The recovery process places the entire burden of recovery on a person who is presumed innocent. It is about time that this abusive instrument was dismantled in favour of saving millions of dollars to the taxpayers. There are real criminals to chase.
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Blodo
Time to build a better world
09:14 PM on 10/19/2011
But is that what's really happening? And if so, how widespread is it? I haven't heard that particular complaint and if you have a link, I'd appreciate it.
10:31 PM on 10/19/2011
I'm sure some folks from Toronto must have saved the link... a few months ago Chief of Police Blair got his officers to do a crack down on elderly folks who had registered firearms... but were not members of a shooting club... getting them to turn in their gun for destruction.

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There are countless Canadians who lost thousands of dollars trying to fight for their rights to keep their legally bought and registered firearm. When the courts give the owner to keep them... Crown attorneys simply appeal the decision.

Government lawyers have an unlimited amount of money to waste... the average Canadian does not.

http://www.kamloopsnews.ca/article/20110928/KAMLOOPS0101/110929722/-1/kamloops01/woman-loses-right-to-keep-handgun-8212-again

Should you ever try to find out how much money is wasted on such scheme... you will quickly realize how some government agencies don't like to share information...
06:17 PM on 10/19/2011
Well, now we get to see how sheepish the supposedly 'red-tory' GTA MP's really are. Will they stand up for their residents and police force, or follow blindly the Harper line.
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LeftyNeoCon
What happens when extreme left and right combine.
08:19 PM on 10/19/2011
You thought the Red Tories survived this long after the merger? HA!