Occupy Canada Protests Have Backing Of Plurality, But Most Doubt It Will Do Any Good: Poll

Occupy Canada

First Posted: 10/27/11 01:47 PM ET Updated: 10/27/11 01:49 PM ET

Twice as many Canadians back the Occupy protests as oppose them, but few believe the protests will do any good, according to a poll released this week.

Yet the poll found widespread support for the ideas behind the Occupy movement -- including among self-identified Conservative voters.

The survey, carried out by Abacus Data for the Corporate Community and Social Responsibility Conference, found 41 per cent of Canadians have a very favourable or somewhat favourable view of the protests, while 22 per cent of Canadians have a somewhat or very unfavourable view.

That leaves more than a third of Canadians in the undecided column, but when asked about the specific issues Occupy protesters have been championing, respondents of all ages and political leanings tended to agree with the protesters.

* 81% agree that corporations and the rich have too much influence over public policy and politics in Canada.
* 81% agree that the gap between the rich and poor has grown too large in Canada
* 64% agree that Canadian financial institutions have been reckless and greedy.
* 51% agree that most Canadian corporations are unethical.

When broken down according to political leanings, even Conservative voters tended to agree with these sentiments. For example, 72 per cent agreed somewhat or strongly with the idea that the rich should pay more taxes.

Seventy-one per cent of Conservative voters also agreed the gap between rich and poor has grown too large in Canada. The same percentage of Conservatives said corporations have too much influence over policy in Canada.

Not surprisingly, there was even stronger support for these notions among Liberal, NDP and Bloc Quebecois voters. Fully 81 per cent of Bloc voters said they had a favourable view of the protests, and 93 per cent said the rich-poor gap is too large.

Abacus Data CEO David Coletto told the Huffington Post it's not surprising that Canada's conservatives would feel this way.

"There has always been a populist bent to Canadian conservatism," Coletto said, "and we see this in some of the values expressed" in the survey.

Coletto pointed to the rise of the Reform Party in the 1980s and 1990s as an example.

Fifty-nine per cent of respondents said they expect the Occupy protests to have "no impact" on Canadian politics, and Abacus attributes that to Canadians' belief that corporations have too much influence.

"This cynicism is not surprising if we consider that 81 per cent of Canadians agree that corporations and the rich have too much influence over politics in Canada," the survey report argues. "If governments are overly influenced by the interests of corporations and the rich, why would government respond to these protests?"

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06:02 PM on 10/27/2011
So now what? Join a neighbourhood association; run for community centre board; stand for board of education, parks board, city council; join a political party. There are no end of ways to influence politics in a liberal democracy. This ain't no Arab Spring.They'd love to have the rights available to you now.
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SMK1414
just another community organizer
06:50 PM on 10/27/2011
The media is looking for the quick story with big letters for reader/viewer's attention. They seem to generally have no journalism skills left or time to give to a current political event that is complex in story and simple in messaage. If they can't have someone give them the comples part they create it or move on,

It is clear as with all public movements: if there is a serious need it will continue in the current form and possibly evolve further until the need is met. There is nothing ridiculous about people exerting their voice and protest rights. This has become a global movement even if Canadians wants to be exempt - Canada is part of the global economy.
05:38 PM on 10/27/2011
Pardon the all-caps, but CANADA ALREADY HAVE MOST OF WHAT THE AMERICAN OWS PROTESTERS ARE MARCHING IN THE STREETS FOR:

- universal single-payer health care.
- a progressive and reasonably equitable tax system, with far fewer loopholes than are available to the rich in the US.
- a national value-added tax (the GST/HST may strike many Canadians as regressive, but it keeps middle-class taxes down deficits low. The US, by contrast, is the only industrial country without a national sales tax.).
- a healthy, well-funded public pension system and well-funded pensions for public-sector workers (most US states and many cities face massive pension deficits - the next shoe to drop in the US financial meltdown).
- the world's strongest, best-regulated, best-capitalized banking sector. The US, the UK and much of the rest of the world allowed their banks to trade risky assets backed by inadequate capital. They turned their mortgage markets into casinos and refused to regulate risky credit derivatives. We avoided all this and paid nothing to bail out any Canadian bank.
- control of our debt and deficits. Fifteen years ago, we bit the bullet and tackled our structural deficits. The benefits are obvious.
- avoided the carnival of uncontrolled lobbying and influence-buying that has nearly destroyed the 2-party political system in the US. Corporate contributions to political candidates are illegal in Canada.
- 'False News' laws that forbid twisted, Fox News-style reporting.
- the best economy in the industrial world.
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Tony frm Banff
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05:59 PM on 10/27/2011
We dont have a well funded public pension system
We have a false twisted news network ie:sun tv
Our banks are not the strongest best regulated
And our health care system needs work.

The real reason these protests are going on is there is no middle class anymore or atleast not as large as it once was because greedy CEOs are taking way way to much pay for what they do.
There are no jobs that pay a decent middle class wage with benefits that you can raise a family on and save some too put away for your childs education unless you can get a job in the public service and now we have the right wing nuts screamin they get to much.
We have to bring something inline, and that would be CEOs salarys and these STOCK OPTIONS
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SMK1414
just another community organizer
06:01 PM on 10/27/2011
O Canada is a good place to live.
Watch out for: income disparity, evironmental issues (Alberta), and check out Sun News - a little scary.
We should not assume the good place can't change if we are not watchfing ourselves and the rest of globe.
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SidelineBoy
05:31 PM on 10/27/2011
This movement is ridiculous. It's all sizzle no steak. I can appreciate the idea behind it, I too agree that the balance of wealth and corporate compensation is crazy, but what is the Occupy Movement's agenda? Can we read about it? What do they want to achieve - exactly? Until they release their exact demands, its the equivalents of all the bullied kids from all the schools getting together to cry and share stories about atomic wedgies and name-calling. It's a support group for the masses - but what is their solution???
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Arctic AARDVARK
The answer my friend is blowing in the wind.
06:38 PM on 10/27/2011
this movement is not ridiculous. People are rallying together to come up with a common message. Occupy has grown exponentially, and it is still very early into the movement. Your metaphor is kinda ridiculous tho. I will no longer try to educate people like you who are too lazy to educate yourself.
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Scooterish
Please pass the meat!
06:41 PM on 10/27/2011
Don't knock these people. This is not a group with one complaint. This a group of individuals with individual concerns. It is singular. We are all frustrated and this is an outlet. Let them be.
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LeftyNeoCon
What happens when extreme left and right combine.
05:28 PM on 10/27/2011
This movement is exactly that, a movement of the people. For too long the grievances of the many have been stifled. You say there are too many messages at OWS? WRONG!

There are too many things that need to be FIXED!!!
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SMK1414
just another community organizer
06:55 PM on 10/27/2011
Agree. I do think their message is simple: Fairness and justice in the system - covers everything they are talking about from taxes to corruption and employment and so on. Take the money out of politics and penalize corruption and much of the system will become friendly user.
05:35 PM on 10/27/2011
Re: "Media Ridiculing Protesters?"

How could that be - there's no such thing as 'The Media', as the media is so fond of reminding us.
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Mr MOTO
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05:26 PM on 10/27/2011
What do Canadians want? I thought that it was all unicorns and rainbows there.
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LeftyNeoCon
What happens when extreme left and right combine.
06:27 PM on 10/27/2011
We could legalize pot? That would get 55,000 Canadians out of jail and into the work force every year as it stands. More if Harper's Crime Bill passes and teenage dime bag dealers get two years mandatory.
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Scooterish
Please pass the meat!
06:48 PM on 10/27/2011
While we do have it much better in Canada than stateside, there is still the wealth disparity, the gap btwn rich & poor continues to widen. Hey, whatever happens down south, will bound to happen here.
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turkeylurky
Just keepin it real........
05:22 PM on 10/27/2011
"Not surprisingly, there was even stronger support for these notions among Liberal, NDP and Bloc Quebecois voters. Fully 81 per cent of Bloc voters said they had a favourable view of the protests,"
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Birds of a feather, flock together................
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LeftyNeoCon
What happens when extreme left and right combine.
06:41 PM on 10/27/2011
So you really want to debate the sanity and real-world facts behind the Omnibus Bill?
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laymancanuck
IGNORANCE has used up its quota of TOLERANCE
04:20 PM on 10/27/2011
The global Occupy movement is already having a positive impact. It is now in the mainstream media, income/wealth disparity. A topic that was never mentioned a month ago. The population is being educated. The next step would to discuss the social consequences of disparity, people still haven't made the connection. When people understand they will realize that isn't the kind of society they will want.
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SidelineBoy
05:36 PM on 10/27/2011
Unfortunately I fear the impact is near zero.

Congratulations, CEO's of banks are saying they sympathize.
That's all you'll get from them.

Corporations are not people, do not have feelings, and have one mandate - make profit for the shareholders.

The key is to regulate that mandate. Make the corporations work within regulations that promote local hiring, local investment, and fair compensation. Regulation, not revolution, is the way to see improvement.

Of course, I believe that this problem is too big for man to solve.
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laymancanuck
IGNORANCE has used up its quota of TOLERANCE
06:52 PM on 10/27/2011
I'm more optimistic. We are witnessing a break through.The people need to demand regulation to be protected from corporations and their political influence. We are just at the first step of the public re-education process. Awareness- consequences- solutions. Regulations are the solution.
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lulex
Made in Canada
04:14 PM on 10/27/2011
People are talking about this. Groups are gathering and focusing on what they are concerned about and what they want to change and how. This is generating social, economic and corporate shifts. Consumers are talking to one another, people's priorities are surfacing and folks are willing to learn, to listen and participate in actions together. This will have ripple effects. Major movements and cultural shifts have happened in this manner in the past and have been effective. It takes time to see this come to fruition but rest assured, seeds today will grow to changes tomorrow!
05:00 PM on 10/27/2011
What's Next Man? Uh, I don't know ! Cough, cough....er, well , maybe Man, we could ugh, well, we could trade some more dope with each other. Errrr, well, ugh maybe.. we could...errr...hold on man, this high is incredible. ugh, man...like wow. oh yeah, where am I ? Wall Street ? Where's that man, who put me here. Ummm, how about swapping our girlfriends...or at least our porno mags. hey Man, THE MAN is just following me around . Like UFO's aren't hired by the government to spy on us man. Well, errr..let's start the drum circle...before I puke up my drugs again. Yeah man, we'll show em what it's all about....
03:43 PM on 10/27/2011
Of course we can make a difference. Not by playing hookie, holding up signs and shouting, but by using our buying power. We all need to stop wanting to save 3 cents on that cucumber, or 15 on that nice t shirt and support small local business.

While sometimes we cant avoid handing out hard earned dollars to big corporations (gas stations etc), we have more power than we think. Stop buying packaged food and household items from big multinational companies (nabisco, nestle, clorox, proctor and gamble etc), start making your own food. Bi*ching on King street then seeing all the protesters at McD's or timmy's afterwards is quite ironic.

Cut up your credit cards and start only buying things you can afford NOW. If you can't afford it, then wait, save... That's what our grandparent's did. I don't have any credit cards (only debit) and thus don't have any credit card debt. I DON'T understand credit cards, i grew up never having one (27) and i am astounded by other people my age with thousands in CC debt. Sure sometimes i cant just buy something on a whim, but it makes it more meaningful to save up and purchase something with money I already have earned.
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laymancanuck
IGNORANCE has used up its quota of TOLERANCE
05:21 PM on 10/27/2011
I agree consumers have power. Boycotts should be more common place.
06:25 PM on 10/27/2011
I agree that Canadians should do without credit, and that younger generations need to learn how to finance better, but what do you do when companies that provide necessary goods and services influence the government? Someone should be going to jail or losing their head.
04:35 PM on 10/27/2011
OWS is so close to the way we're going to have to solve the problems they are protesting about but I'm not convinced they even know it. They are showing the solidarity that is needed. The things that need to be done are very simple but nobody wants to be the ONLY one doing them. Stop supporting banks; stop shopping at Wallmart and go to the local stores; stop voting for people and enabling corruption; stop paying the "temporary", criminally collected income tax every year... They're on the right track.
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SayBlade
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02:00 AM on 10/28/2011
And you are too!

Faved.
03:33 PM on 10/27/2011
Has it ever occurred to anyone that most people dont have time to take silly little internet polls?
It might surprise you to know that most people don't even know what Occupy is, in Canada.
Some people are busy too busy working to notice a few stoners camping.
But by all means, keep trying to make a news story out of it.
03:39 PM on 10/27/2011
Fact you describe it as a few stoners camping suggests you would fit in just fine with the republicans.

And you will probably be OK with it when Harper sells Canada to the highest bidder too.
04:02 PM on 10/27/2011
You're right most people don't enough time, but enough do to make a representative sample. According to the graphs the sample size was roughly 1,000, which if you understand statistics would be considered proportionately representative of the Canadian population.
04:29 PM on 10/27/2011
Exclude anyone without a computer and Internet, along with anyone who cares about Occupy and you have a very skewed data sample. Regardless of the sample size, you aren't polling from an accurate source to determine anything.
02:37 PM on 10/27/2011
Everyone balks at the idea of having gov't create policies to reduce the gap in income equality and are constantly charged as anti-free market, lazy, and/or socialistic, yet there is no problem with subsidizing large corporations and handing them tax-payer money all so they can "succeed." The gov't is playing a large role in helping to prop up the banks, financial institutions, oil companies, car manufacturers etc. There is a an overwhelming hypocrisy going on and we aren't doing anything about it. Partisan politics have been keeping ALL of us occupied and distracted from what has been happening right before our very own eyes; gov't favoritism of Corporations over everyone else. Why is it okay to "help" large corporations get richer through policy and not us? I thought the idea of capitalism was to let entrepeneurs succeed on their own merit. This doesn't seem to be the case at all. Gov'ts are protecting corporations at our expense and those very expenses are dwindling. Why that doesn't bring all of us as citizens together is beyond me. We should be supporting eachother instead of fighting ourselves. Maybe if we displayed some unity the gov't might start to act more responsibly out of fear.

And just to be clear, I have no intention on being partisan and attacking either side of the political spectrum at all.
04:45 PM on 10/27/2011
"Maybe if we displayed some unity the gov't might start to act more responsibl­y out of fear. "

Exactly, but it has to be made clear to them that this isn't a small vocal minority who will get tired of protesting and go away quietly.
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05:25 PM on 10/27/2011
"Everyone balks at the idea of having gov't create policies to reduce the gap in income equality"

You mean like welfare, social insurance, old age pension, free grade-school education, heavily subsidized university education, free health insurance, progressive taxation rates, and a hundred other programs?