CSIS Letter: Torture Crucial To Maintaining Canada's Security Certificate Letters

First Posted: 12/ 3/2011 9:38 pm Updated: 02/ 7/2012 10:01 am

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CSIS says that torture is crucial tool to maintaining Canada's security.

Canada's spy agency relied so heavily on information gleaned from torture that is ability to protect Canadians would be harmed if it weren't allowed to do so, a letter from a CSIS head indicated.

The letter, obtained by the Montreal Gazette, was sent from then- CSIS Director Jim Judd to then-Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, in January of 2008, as the government was preparing new legislation on national security certificates (NSLs).

Judd warned that an amendment to the new law, which would prevent the use of torture to issue NSLs, could "render unsustainable the current security certificate proceedings."

NSLs allow Canadian authorities to detain non-citizens indefinitely without trial, where evidence exists that they are a national security risk. A cabinet minister must sign off on any use of an NSL.

If the NSL amendment were interpreted to mean that Canada could not rely on evidence initially obtained from governments that may have tortured, and then independently corroborated, "the Government's ability to act in the interest of public safety on threat-related information or advice provided by CSIS could be significantly and negatively affected," the letter stated,

CSIS memo shows Canada's reliance on torture

The letter "suggests a disturbing acceptance by the national security agency of torture as a legitimate strategy to counter terrorism," the Gazette's Catherine Solyom reports.

The letter does not suggest that Canada has engaged in torture.

However, it does come in the wake of years of allegations that Canada has looked the other way as Afghan authorities tortured detainees handed over to them by Canadian soldiers.

In 2009, Canadian diplomatic Richard Colvin alleged ongoing torture in Afghan jails and Canadian authorities' "complicity" in the matter.

"According to our information, the likelihood is that all the Afghans we handed over were tortured", Colvin said in testimony to Parliament in November, 2009. "For interrogators in Kandahar, it was a standard operating procedure."

Colvin's claims appear to have been backed up recently by a UN report that found “a compelling pattern and practice of systematic torture and ill-treatment” in numerous prison facilities around the country.

Judd's letter to the public safety minister came two years before a diplomatic cable released by Wikileaks showed Judd to be contemptuous of Canadian courts' stance on torture.

Judd told U.S. State Department official Eliot Cohen that the courts were tying CSIS "in knots" and that they had an "Alice in Wonderland" worldview.

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12:42 PM on 02/07/2012
Just shows we have AMATEURS for spies in this country.
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bubbles3660
Semper in excremento sum solum profunditas variat.
11:37 AM on 02/07/2012
"Practice (of torture) crucial to protecting Canadians."

But who protects Canadians from CSIS?
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Gracie fr
01:11 PM on 12/26/2011
Sigh....I guess it is convenient to have the Canadian government follow in lockstep with its neighbor to the south when it comes to hypothetical "terrorist plots" so that the crack down on citizen dissent can be coordinated in a magnificent duet....
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BCSLAVE
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01:04 AM on 12/05/2011
Canada slips farther down the dung hole. Thanks Harper!
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John Devlin
02:00 PM on 12/26/2011
It should be noted in fairness that the security certificate regime mentioned in the article is much older than the Harper government.

Security certificates have existed since the late '70s.
It should also be noted that each of the five individuals currently subject to a security certificate was first named in the certificate when Jean Chretien was Prime Minister. The Harper government has not initiated a security certificate process against anyone.
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emigholzjr
There is love and there is a cry for love
11:18 PM on 12/04/2011
Then what is it that defines us from the Terrorists? This is a sign that our society has lost its morality. It is imperative that we stop using the Old Testament to explain the New Testament.
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emigholzjr
There is love and there is a cry for love
11:12 PM on 12/04/2011
Torture is slow murder, nothing more than revenge for the morally depleted.
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colpy
10:13 PM on 12/04/2011
I'm about as right-wing as they come.

But torture is NEVER an option.

Full stop.
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Leanne McKenzie
You can't make this sh*t up.
06:39 PM on 12/04/2011
I am disgusted beyond words.

Now we know why Bush and Cheny weren't arrested for their violations of Geneva Convention.

*hangs head in shame*
06:08 PM on 12/04/2011
Don't be ashamed of your country. Canada is you and I, our people on our sovereign land.
Research and judge our leaders.Research and judge our systems.
Consider the things that are really important and judge the path forward from there.
Consider, discuss, and act.
Many of us have been asleep. If we awake to this worldwide crisis without shouldering the duties of citizenship then we can truly be ashamed of OUR CANADA.
If we refuse to Occupy our own country then MegaCorp will.
Citizens hold morals and reputation dear.
Corporations hold profits dear and morals get in the way of production.
Modern intelligence agencies are corporations producing the product labelled intelligence.
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dread
05:52 PM on 12/04/2011
John McCain has stated many times that info collected through torture is not reliable. He should know.
We go over to their country, bomb, kill and torture them and have the nerve to call them terrorists
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
01:13 AM on 12/05/2011
I agree. Pappy Boyington said it too and he knew first hand as well. He said he told his captors what he thought they wanted to know. It didn't matter that it was totally untrue it only matter that he didn't tell them to quickly or they'd beat for giving the info to quick!

And the Japanese thought they were justified in the use of torture...good to see we are now no better than our former enemies that we once condemned for these crimes!
05:17 PM on 12/04/2011
I'm not going to take a stand on the issue, since this is a grey area - torture MAY provide information that helps maintain national security, but the information may be wrong since it's given under duress. There's also the whole moral and ethical problem that come from torture; it's morally repugnant.

It's wrong, but it sometimes works (most of the time it's completely useless as shown by the US's Abu Ghraib). I'd rather Harper encourage the gathering of some ethically collected intel or be a bit more careful with what we know.

It's only wrong once someone finds out. You'd think CSIS and the government would watch what gets released.
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sfurr
11:10 AM on 12/06/2011
WTF? You just took a stand in offering support for the unjustifiable. "It's only wrong once someone finds out"? That's twisted.

If torture ever provides reliable information, it's more dumb luck than anything and of no use since it can't be distinguished from the trash that will be offered to avoid further torture.

So not only is it totally useless, it is morally repugnant under any circumstances. The very act is an affront to human dignity and the basic rights of man, however guilty, and can never be justified.
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
04:32 PM on 12/04/2011
Harper isn't this an admission of involvement in torture even if its by proxy?
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greysells2
grey cells matter
05:44 PM on 12/05/2011
Seems to me it is.
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okgranny
Egalitarian by birth
02:17 PM on 12/04/2011
I am so ashamed of my country.
11:40 AM on 12/04/2011
To torture another human being just seems so cruel. How can we rely on countries who do this and then on the other hand condem them for human rights violations. I think it is a sort of two faced approach we have to try and maintain that we are better.
It seems that in Canada you could get more time in jail if you were a poacher or were cruel to an animal. Human lives don't seem to count any longer.
I can't understand how these CSIS agents can live with their conscience at the end of the day. The more disregard we have for human lives the closer we become to being one of those countries considered a Human Rights Violator.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
10:38 AM on 12/04/2011
There is an an "age-old truth" -- that "the poor seek security. The rich seek more money. But the real rulers seek power, because power gets them control of everything that human beings seek."

What I have read though is the transcript of the Congressional testimony delivered by Unocal vice-president John J. Maresca in February of 1998, when he clearly and unequivocally stated that Unocal had vested interests in building both oil and gas pipelines across Afghanistan, once an acceptable regime was in place. Maresca began by relaying to Congress that Unocal had three specific areas of concern: "The need for multiple pipeline routes for Central Asian oil and gas. The need for U.S. support for international and regional efforts to achieve balanced and lasting political settlements within Russia, other newly independent states and in Afghanistan. The need for structured assistance to encourage economic reforms and the development of appropriate investment climates in the region." (emphasis added)

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa48119.000/hfa48119_0.htm