NDP In Quebec: Polls Show Support Has Collapsed Without Jack Layton

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The Huffington Post Canada   First Posted: 12/16/11 06:39 AM ET Updated: 12/16/11 07:32 AM ET

With an election years away, polls provide a reflection of what Canadians are thinking but have little bearing on what happens in the House of Commons. Unlike the seven years that preceded the May federal election, the country is not on the brink of a new election with every passing season.

But even with the next vote far beyond the horizon, a poll can have a real impact on the political landscape.

Earlier this week, Harris-Decima released a new federal poll indicating that although the gap between the Conservatives and the New Democrats has shrunk to only six points nationally, the NDP has tumbled in Quebec, home to more than half of their MPs. Some NDP supporters have tried to highlight the narrowing gap between the two parties, but the fact that the NDP is shedding support at a slower pace than the Tories is not much of a silver lining.

Similarl to the Nanos poll that put the Liberals a whisker ahead of the New Democrats, this poll puts the NDP and the Bloc Québécois neck-and-neck in the all-important francophone province. That can only drag on the confidence of the party in the midst of its leadership race. In addition to finding a leader that can fight off the Liberals in English Canada, the NDP members need to take into consideration the very real possibility that their party could be overtaken in Quebec less than a year after their sweeping victory.

Harris-Decima has the party tumbling10 points to 26 per cent since their last poll conducted a little over a month ago, while five other recent polls have shown the party slipping to between 38 and 36 per cent support. Harris-Decima’s survey, however, was taken after all of these and so it could be capturing a continuing slide for the New Democrats.

This has benefited the Bloc Québécois, which has polled above its May performance in four polls taken in the last month. The latest survey, conducted over two weeks ending December 12, could not have captured much of the reaction stemming from Daniel Paillé’s December 11th leadership victory. How the Bloc’s numbers will look after the holidays may be a better indication of where they stand.

The Liberals, too, appear to be taking advantage of the NDP’s woes. At 20 per cent in Quebec, the party is polling much higher than in other recent surveys. If these numbers repeat themselves in the next election the Liberals would be in good position to double or even triple their current haul of Quebec seats. The New Democrats, meanwhile, would shed roughly two-thirds of theirs.

"The reality is that people didn’t vote for the NDP, people voted for Jack Layton, Liberal MP Denis Coderre told The Globe and Mail.

But it's not all doom and gloom for the New Democrats. In the context of the government’s actions against the Canadian Wheat Board the gap between the Conservatives and the NDP in Saskatchewan and Manitoba has shrunk from 26 points on election night to only 13 in the Harris-Decima poll. Other recent surveys have also suggested the race in the Prairies could be far closer in the next election than it has been for some time.

However, what this and other recent polls show is that the NDP leadership race today is not the same race it was in September. While the potential to become PM-in-waiting is still there, the next leader of the New Democrats will have a tough fight on his or her hands.

Éric Grenier taps The Pulse of federal and regional politics for Huffington Post Canada readers on most Tuesdays and Fridays. Grenier is the author of ThreeHundredEight.com, covering Canadian politics, polls, and electoral projections.

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Kenneth T Tellis
10:09 AM on 01/20/2012
As the saying goes, without Layton, the NDP in Kebec is DEAD MEAT! Now maybe the new Conservative Party of Kebec can get its act together and replace all the other dwinding parties that have bled to death. Now is the time for REAL change in Kebec, so put your best foot forward and vote for the Conservatives in the next provincial election.
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Mike Keohane
08:02 PM on 12/17/2011
Layton had nothing to do with it. They voted for the NDP because they were cheezed off with the Bloc. The NDP better watch out sucking up to Quebec too much or they might just get completely wiped off the electoral map in the next election.
08:28 AM on 12/17/2011
When I see how the Quebec electorate voted for unknown NDP candidates, I see a society that could just as easily vote for a far right wing party. (WHo knows what the new Provincial party, Coalition Avenir Quebec (CAQ) stands for?
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ethrop
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08:41 PM on 12/18/2011
Really? Quebec has been to the left of Canadian politics ever since the Quiet revolution under Jean Lesage. Re: the new provincial party, its hardly a party. It has aligned itself with the ADQ, a center-right party with a small following. I don't a swing to the right to the extent that it has happened in Ontario.
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Ascoli
05:40 AM on 12/17/2011
This is BS
They're trying to downplay the NDP support.
I got news for the Cons ........Quebec is NDP territory
Never Cons in Quebec
07:20 AM on 12/17/2011
Are you sure?
12:35 AM on 12/17/2011
Apres riding redistribution, voting as a Bloc might be close to irrelevant.
06:28 PM on 12/16/2011
Of course, the NDP is fumbling. We never hear their voice anymore. Just wait til a new leader is elected and provided he speaks French, the party will regain its momentum.
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
04:10 PM on 12/16/2011
Its a strange turn of events. Jack Layton was a leader who always promoted the goals and ideals of the party first. I'm sure he would be perplexed as to why his absence would have any bearing on the level of support the party enjoyed. I guess thats what made him such a great leader.
03:03 PM on 12/16/2011
This confirms nothing. Quebeckers didn't vote for Layton. They voted for change and wanted to stop the CONs! They will continue to stop the CONs. Once the NDP have a new leader this poll will appear to be exactly what it is, a blip!
03:01 PM on 12/16/2011
NDP polling will improve once the new leader is in place and they can start making noise in the House. I'd also be more inclined to believe the CROP poll that polling done by Harris Decima, or NANOS, both of which are corporate run.
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12:56 PM on 12/16/2011
Wrong again you Lib and Tory hacks. Crop poll out today has the NDP at 36%, Tories/Bloc a t 22% and the Libs at 16%. Try to start getting it right going forward Huff Po, Ok?
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12:49 PM on 12/16/2011
All of this confirms what we already knew. The Quebec vote was for Jack Layton, not for his party.

However, it is silly to forecast an election over three years away when the leaders are not fully known, nor the conditions under which that election will be fought.
12:48 PM on 12/16/2011
The NDP vote in Quebec was a "protest" vote... Why else would seemingly educated individuals have voted for MPs that hadn't even set foot in the ridding?

It was just like when they first voted for the Bloc Quebecois. Quebec wanted change.

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Unless the NDP find themselves a true leader and a real program. They will be a one term wonder.
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12:02 PM on 12/16/2011
These polls are useless. The "polls" were showing a BQ sweep of Quebec just a few weeks before the last election.
11:36 AM on 12/16/2011
Here we go again. Jack's untimely passing was so unfortunate for the future of Canada.
11:48 AM on 12/16/2011
Jack was a fine person, I'm sure, but I can hardly see how Canada could turn much more to the Left.

And Harper's Conservatives aren't cutting expenditures much, if at all.
11:33 AM on 12/16/2011
The whole NDP performance in the last election was an artifact of the multi-party vote splitting phenomenon. They posted a 178% gain in seats with only a 12% gain in popular vote. It's odd. They are quick to point out that the PC's formed a majority government with less than a majority of the popular vote but equally quick to pat themselves on the back for their own gains which were equally twisted by vote splitting. Easy come, easy go.
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tnanimation
11:58 AM on 12/16/2011
Cons played it perfectly and ate the Liberals' lunch in the last election. Not gonna happen again.
12:22 PM on 12/16/2011
I think that's true, and keep in mind that playing it perfectly is part of politics. The first test of fitness to form a government is the ability to get and stay elected. On this score the Liberals did themselves no favours. In Michael Ignattieff they had, in many ways, the smartest leader in the race but they chose to dumb him down because they thought that made him more palatable. They had a guy with multiple post graduate degrees chanting jets. jets, jets. I really think if they had lead with his intellect and trusted the Canadian people to choose the smartest guy in the room they might have done better.